Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[TheBrownBear]

The whole team sucked for large parts of each of the last two games - Josh included. The problem is that the D plays good for one half and the O might play good for a half, but not at the same time.  We need to play disciplined, consistent and nasty from the opening kickoff. That isn't happening right now. Hopefully, they can get refocused during the bye.

[CincyBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

difference is the KC roster is MUCH better.  

And much better coaching.  

[Casey D]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I guess my counter would be on offense we are currently 3rd in yards and 4th in ppg, whereas on defense we are 17th in both

 

Wouldn't complementary football allow for possibility that the defense play well for 4quarters when the offense is struggling?

Definitely.  The defense has been poor.  Maybe with new guys arriving from suspension and some better health, the defense will improve.  The formula here is to have an "A" offense and a "B/B-" defense.  A D- defense, like we have seen so far, will not cut it.  But I hold out hope that by December, it will be better.  Monday, we had a D- defense and D offense, which won't win many games.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I guess my counter would be on offense we are currently 3rd in yards and 4th in ppg, whereas on defense we are 17th in both

 

Wouldn't complementary football allow for possibility that the defense play well for 4quarters when the offense is struggling?

 

Or not even play well for 4 Quarters. Just don't play so poorly for 2 Quarters that it was barely believable that it was a professional football team out there on defense. They literally were incapable first hald of doing the most basic of basics right. That is what concerns me the most about it. Their fundamentals are absolutely miles off.

[Sojourner]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I guess my counter would be on offense we are currently 3rd in yards and 4th in ppg, whereas on defense we are 17th in both

 

Wouldn't complementary football allow for possibility that the defense play well for 4quarters when the offense is struggling?

Hey man, I’m on record acknowledging this team goes as far as Josh takes us. He’s an absolute stud. I see all sides of the pine..

 

the defense being a serious issue

the coaching staff not being up to par

lack of talent at the WR position

 

 

I don’t disagree with anything there. Not for a second. There was so many plays left on the field that were a combination of the coaching staff AND Josh. 
 

@JakeFrommStateFarm highlighted about Bijan’s 171 yards and a TD on the ground. 
Out of that total he put up 138 and the TD in the first half. 
 

Defense/STs did enough to get us back in the game. 3 stopped drives after the boys made it 14-21. One of those drives they took 3 off the scoreboard with a blocked FG. 

 

Josh’s failed 4th down pass to Ty Johnson and the botched snap on 3rd down were back breakers. Either of them go the opposite way it probably turns out a different game. 
 

Lots of blame to go around and as much as people want to pile it on the defense, it was a collective effort by the team top to bottom; including the MVP. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Sojourner said:

Hey man, I’m on record acknowledging this team goes as far as Josh takes us. He’s an absolute stud. I see all sides of the pine..

 

the defense being a serious issue

the coaching staff not being up to par

lack of talent at the WR position

 

 

I don’t disagree with anything there. Not for a second. There was so many plays left on the field that were a combination of the coaching staff AND Josh. 
 

@JakeFrommStateFarm highlighted about Bijan’s 171 yards and a TD on the ground. 
Out of that total he put up 138 and the TD in the first half. 
 

Defense/STs did enough to get us back in the game. 3 stopped drives after the boys made it 14-21. One of those drives they took 3 off the scoreboard with a blocked FG. 

 

Josh’s failed 4th down pass to Ty Johnson and the botched snap on 3rd down were back breakers. Either of them go the opposite way it probably turns out a different game. 
 

Lots of blame to go around and as much as people want to pile it on the defense, it was a collective effort by the team top to bottom; including the MVP. 

Fair imo 

 

I think my major frustration rn (and even last yr tbh) is that the margins on offense are waaay to thin to keep pretending this complementary ball control style is the right approach

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Avisan said:

 

When you have a 55+ million dollar QB, he needs to play like that QB or your team is probably screwed.  Part of earning that much money is making plays to NFL-open receivers where the windows are extremely small.

And I'm confident that over the course of the whole season Allen will make those plays, just like last season and the seasons before that.  What isn't reasonable is that Allen will make those plays in every game.  As Greg Cossel frequently notes its just not realistic to expect Allen to pay like Super Man every week.  

 

 

[oldmanfan]

No one performed well last Monday night, including the coaches, everyone on the O and D lines (Walker was OK), the back 7 on D, the WRs, the TEs, the RBs (maybe not Cook and Davis made one good play).  And Josh.  It is OK to acknowledge that last one even though we all love the guy and know how great it is to have him as QB.  
 

The bye week comes at a good time.  There needs to be a lot of introspection, some direct discussions about individual players that need to sit, trades that might be needed, and so on.

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

The biggest sack of the game, he just didn't see coming i guess because the hot receiver is WIDE OPEN in shakir.  He threw shakir out of bounds on a 3rd down earlier in the game.  There was another similar to that where he threw it out of bounds.  Missed the throw to a wide open TJ on 4th down.  

 Josh hurt his left hand, and it affected the series you describe.  There was speculation that perhaps he broke his left hand.  Josh's hand was hurting you could tell

[CincyBillsFan]

57 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Josh never looked comfortable, made decisions like it was 2019 and generally sucked. It’s so rare he has a bad game that I don’t even worry about it. 
 

If it continues for 3-4 games in a row, then I’ll be worried. Otherwise, it’s just a bad night at the office 

A lot like the Houston game last year.  It happens.  

[Sojourner]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Fair imo 

 

I think my major frustration rn (and even last yr tbh) is that the margins on offense are waaay to thin to keep pretending this complementary ball control style is the right approach

It’s frustrating because we know what we have at the QB position. A once in a generation QB. Expecting him to put on the cape every game is wrong and delusional but even just borderline decent games from Josh would have won these last 2 games if not 3 comfortably. 

@TheBrownBear said it perfectly. The team doesn’t play well on either side of the ball at the same time. 
 

Defense is clearly an issue but can show up. 
Offense is clearly our life support but sometimes doesn’t show up. 
 

Not to repeat but for as bad as the defense is and has been the last few games, they’ve done enough, barely, to keep us in games. Offense and Josh hasn’t executed hence the hole we are in. 
 

Edited Thursday at 08:17 PM by Sojourner

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

 Josh hurt his left hand, and it affected the series you describe.  There was speculation that perhaps he broke his left hand.  Josh's hand was hurting you could tell

He had his left knee jammed into the turf in the game prior against the Pats too.  If one looked closely enough, he wasn’t moving the same after that either.  He’s been getting banged up the last couple of games, that’s for sure.

3 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The problem is that's 2 weeks in a row he's played the same. Is he losing interest/ fire? Is he tired of not being supported properly by the front office? All of this stuff could be grating on him. I'd be tired of the front office's bullshyt too.

Josh is definitely becoming too commercialized and was thinking about all the golfing he’d be doing over the bye week.

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Tom Brady's offense was just as boring, but you know what? It worked. 

Thanks to the officials and hidden video cameras.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

I said this after the Falcons loss too and people wanted my head. LOL.

Josh, and all the rumours out there about him wanting to go to san Fran just might be more of a reality than we want to admit. He has lost interest/fire.

We will see. But if Carolina beats us this thing will explode.

And what rumors are you talking about?  

[Casey D]

4 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

It’s frustrating because we know what we have at the QB position. A once in a generation QB. Expecting him to put on the cape every game is wrong and delusional but even just borderline decent games from Josh would have won these last 2 games if not 3 comfortably. 

@TheBrownBear said it perfectly. The team doesn’t play well on either side of the ball at the same time. 
 

Defense is clearly an issue but can show up. 
Offense is clearly our life support but sometimes doesn’t show up. 
 

Not to repeat but for as bad as the defense is and has been the last few games, they’ve done enough, barely, to keep us in games. Offense and Josh hasn’t executed hence the hole we are in. 
 

Right.  As bad as the D looks-- and it looks bad-- giving up 23 and 24 points when the offense turns the ball over five times is not awful.  If our O is up to snuff, we should win 19/20 games when holding the other team to 24 or less.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Gigs said:

Tom Brady made small white guys look like world beaters. He had Randy Moss for a while and looked unstoppable outside of the Giants

Beasley would like a word.  

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Casey D said:

Right.  As bad as the D looks-- and it looks bad-- giving up 23 and 24 points when the offense turns the ball over five times is not awful.  If our O is up to snuff, we should win 19/20 games when holding the other team to 24 or less.

Iirc the very best QBs and teams in history didn't win 95% of their games where the opponent scored 24 or fewer

[Royale with Cheese]

25 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

And much better coaching.  

Then why are they 3-3?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

26 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

He did not throw Shakir out of bounds on that 3rd down play.  It was a great throw on 3d & long with Allen under a great deal of pressure.  Most WR's would have gotten that 2nd foot down as there was more then enough room to do so.  To be fair Shakir's strength is not making boundary toe tapping catches.  But thatb throw was elite under the circumstances.

 

 

 

There was room up the sidelines is what i mean.  Don't throw that to have him go out of bounds but to go up field.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Then why are they 3-3?

I was responding to a point that over the last few years, not just this season, Mahomess has often looked very pedestrian yet the Chiefs won the game.

 

As for this season I would speculate that the reason the Chiefs are only 3 - 3 is that they've played a very hard schedule to data.