Would you want to see Josh play hardball with the organization?

[Another Fan]

Like if he genuinely feels McDermott and Brady are holding him back.  Would you want to see him go above their heads to get them fired per se?

 

Josh is a nice guy and something like that would seem out of character.  Plus it could ruin the locker room.    But a lot of the great QBs had that SOB/Diva in them.  

 

 

[RoscoeParrish]

Lots of great QBs have had a hand in coaching changes.

 

what matters most is that they are right and they don’t make it a habit

[Kirby Jackson]

I’m a yes. That probably has to be an off-season thing though depending on how major the changes are. I’d like to see him start pushing for a WR now and end this everybody eats nonsense. In the offseason, if the year ends like every other, he can push further. There is no benefit to status quo. Josh is the only person in the organization with the leverage and power to make change (besides Terry). 

[BlueRed]

I voted no. Josh already has influence in the decisions that are made that led to Ken Dorsey and Keon Coleman. 
 

Things could get worse …

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, BlueRed said:

I voted no. Josh already has influence in the decisions that are made that led to Ken Dorsey and Keon Coleman. 
 

Things could get worse …

Could they? That’s where we disagree. I think that the floor, with Josh as QB is probably 10-7 with a playoff spot. Pretty much any competent NFL or college coach could do that. The roster, outside of Josh, is one of the worst in football IMO. With average QB play (think Tua) they are about a 4 win team. Regardless of how much influence he has had, he didn’t ultimately decide on any draft picks or FA signings. His input might have been wrong but the people calling the shots made bad decisions with and without his input.
 

If he wants change, what is the risk in terms of the floor? If they, HYPOTHETICALLY (I’m not advocating for this), replaced this group with the group that the Browns currently have, are they even worse?  Forget about “it’s too risky to try.” The Bills have won the division and a playoff game or 2 every year. Great. They should. They have Josh Allen. I don’t attribute much of that to the coaches or GM. Outside of picking Josh, lots and lots of people could have accomplished what they have or more. 

[Gregg]

I would rather see Terry play hardball with Beane and McDermott. Then we will see real change.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

I would rather see Terry play hardball with Beane and McDermott. Then we will see real change.

Isn’t it kind of the same thing? Only 2 people can make change here, Josh and Terry. Beane or McDermott couldn’t go to Terry and say, “we should trade Josh.” Josh, however, could go to Terry and say, “time to dump these guys.” Ultimately Terry has to pull the trigger but Josh has pretty much equivalent power in a lot of ways.
 

It’s like LeBron at this point. It doesn’t mean that he will always be right but he absolutely has the power to make major change. 

[RoscoeParrish]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Could they? That’s where we disagree. I think that the floor, with Josh as QB is probably 10-7 with a playoff spot. Pretty much any competent NFL or college coach could do that. The roster, outside of Josh, is one of the worst in football IMO. With average QB play (think Tua) they are about a 4 win team. Regardless of how much influence he has had, he didn’t ultimately decide on any draft picks or FA signings. His input might have been wrong but the people calling the shots made bad decisions with and without his input.
 

If he wants change, what is the risk in terms of the floor? If they, HYPOTHETICALLY (I’m not advocating for this), replaced this group with the group that the Browns currently have, are they even worse?  Forget about “it’s too risky to try.” The Bills have won the division and a playoff game or 2 every year. Great. They should. They have Josh Allen. I don’t attribute much of that to the coaches or GM. Outside of picking Josh, lots and lots of people could have accomplished what they have or more. 

Put another way, if we had Callahan or Stefanski starting week 1 this year and played all the games over, I think the odds we are 4-2 or better at this junction are extremely high. 
 

IMO, it’s much more likely we are 4-2 than 2-4 this season only.

 

i wonder if anyone disagrees with that.

[BuffaloRebound]

If it means bringing in a GM/Coach that knows how to get us to the promised land, then yes.  McBeane in Year 9 looks to be spinning their wheels maybe even going backwards.  9 years with no super bowl appearance is marvin lewis and Schottenheimer territory.  It can’t be changes at the margins at this point.  

[dorquemada]

I'd like to see him be more assertive across the board.  Let's see a little fire from him when wr drops a ball or when Torrance misses 9 blocks like he did Monday. Like I said yesterday,  Kelly held everyone on O to account, it was one of the factors that made them great

[SectionC3]

So who comes in?  Belichick?  Daboll, if he gets canned?  Maybe John Harbaugh (seems like shirt changing to me).  I don't know if McD is the guy to get us there.  I have significant doubts.  But I don't know who the replacement should be, either. 

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

So who comes in?  Belichick?  Daboll, if he gets canned?  Maybe John Harbaugh (seems like shirt changing to me).  I don't know if McD is the guy to get us there.  I have significant doubts.  But I don't know who the replacement should be, either. 

 

Someone mentioned this in another thread but what about Flores. Just have to make sure they have an experienced OC to run that side of the ball.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

24 minutes ago, BlueRed said:

I voted no. Josh already has influence in the decisions that are made that led to Ken Dorsey and Keon Coleman. 
 

Things could get worse …

Underrated comment. Josh Allen should not be involved in choosing a rookie WR. Maybe his input, but That is not his job. That’s why Peyton Manning isn’t the GM of the Colts right now. Just because you’re good at throwing a ball doesn’t mean you know how to evaluate talent. I would understand having him heavily involved in FA options. Now we are stuck with a role player at best and a total bust at worst. 

[nedboy7]

How much truth is there to Josh hand picking Keon in the draft?  

[uticaclub]

I voted "Yes" because I think he should, but I don't think he will. He's gonna ask for a trade after one of these seasons & McBeane will say the "Bills are more than just a Quarterback," receive a massive amount of assets in the trade, and bust on every single draft pick. They ate dead cap when Diggs got pissy and realized he had to leave if he wanted to win a Championship. Toughest part for Josh will be texting his old buddy “You were right”

Edited 6 hours ago by uticaclub

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

So who comes in?  Belichick?  Daboll, if he gets canned?  Maybe John Harbaugh (seems like shirt changing to me).  I don't know if McD is the guy to get us there.  I have significant doubts.  But I don't know who the replacement should be, either. 

No washed up retreads. The answer is you have a zillion options that could accomplish what they have. The point is, it doesn’t matter if it is Stefanski or Flores or Klint Kubiak or whomever. The floor doesn’t move much (assuming healthy Josh) but maybe the ceiling does.

 

My guy at this point is Curt Cignetti. He’s older than I’d like but just wins. He has that swagger/confidence that I’m looking for in the next coach. The Bills have lost their edge. Cignetti’s teams never lose their edge.

[Rew]

The whole premise here is that Josh feels McD and Beane are a problem.  I don't think we've seen anything to believe that is the case.

 

Josh looks internally for the areas that he didn't execute on and sees the best of the team and people that he is working with.  I don't see a scenario where Josh goes all hardball/Diva, first because it's not in his nature and second because he doesn't see the problems that a minority of loud posters here see.

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Rew said:

The whole premise here is that Josh feels McD and Beane are a problem.  I don't think we've seen anything to believe that is the case.

 

Josh looks internally for the areas that he didn't execute on and sees the best of the team and people that he is working with.  I don't see a scenario where Josh goes all hardball/Diva, first because it's not in his nature and second because he doesn't see the problems that a minority of loud posters here see.

Lol, you don’t think that Josh sees the problems?? He said as much in his press conference last week BEFORE Monday’s game. Whether or not he says anything is a different story. I agree that it is not in his nature. With that being said, he sees the problems. He said it out loud.

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No washed up retreads. The answer is you have a zillion options that could accomplish what they have. The point is, it doesn’t matter if it is Stefanski or Flores or Klint Kubiak or whomever. The floor doesn’t move much (assuming healthy Josh) but maybe the ceiling does.

 

My guy at this point is Curt Cignetti. He’s older than I’d like but just wins. He has that swagger/confidence that I’m looking for in the next coach. The Bills have lost their edge. Cignetti’s teams never lose their edge.

Cignetti feels like a Chip Kelly to me.  Not sure his schtick would work with grown men.  If McVay isn’t attainable, I’d give serious thought to Stefanski.  Cleveland has terrible ownership.  Stefanski with Josh and a non dumpster fire organization could get us to the promised land.  

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Could they? That’s where we disagree. I think that the floor, with Josh as QB is probably 10-7 with a playoff spot. Pretty much any competent NFL or college coach could do that. The roster, outside of Josh, is one of the worst in football IMO. With average QB play (think Tua) they are about a 4 win team. Regardless of how much influence he has had, he didn’t ultimately decide on any draft picks or FA signings. His input might have been wrong but the people calling the shots made bad decisions with and without his input.
 

If he wants change, what is the risk in terms of the floor? If they, HYPOTHETICALLY (I’m not advocating for this), replaced this group with the group that the Browns currently have, are they even worse?  Forget about “it’s too risky to try.” The Bills have won the division and a playoff game or 2 every year. Great. They should. They have Josh Allen. I don’t attribute much of that to the coaches or GM. Outside of picking Josh, lots and lots of people could have accomplished what they have or more. 

Things can’t get worse from there they are now?  🤦🏻‍♂️