Go on record... Fire McDermott?

[stinky finger]

Easiest thing I’ve done all day. 

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I find this thread thoroughly amusing simply because Bills fans are ranting and not thinking. Like you said, who will be the interim head coach, Bobby Babich, NO!

 

Joe Brady, the guy who keeps calling lame plays and couldn't figure out a way for his offense to score on a 2-2 team that was beaten by Carolina 30-0? That star QB that so many say this franchise is wasting went 15 of 26 for 180 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs, and was sacked 4 times.

 

The ONLY NFL head coach that has a better win/loss record over the last five seasons is Andy Reid. THE ONLY ONE! So, who do you find to replace the man who changed the entire culture in Buffalo? Now, other NFL players actually want to come and play in Buffalo, and previously, they didn't unless you overpaid, and even then.

 

This GM/HC drafted Josh Allen and found the right coaches to develop him. Beane moved up in the 2018 NFL draft to select Allen when six other teams passed on him. Cleveland passed twice! And they are still looking for their franchise QB. The NY Giants passed, the NY Jets passed, and how many QBs have those teams gone through trying to find a decent QB, much less a superstar like Allen?

 

In 2023, this team was 6-6 and about to lose the division to Miami, which was 9-7 at that time. McD fired his OC in Ken Dorsey, and replaced him with Joe Brady. Meanwhile, Buffalo went on to beat Miami in their last regular season game and take the division...again! 

 

Some of you ranting for change don't realize that this owner found a diamond in McD/Beane after he replaced Rex Ryan and has had his team in the playoffs 7 of 8 seasons.  Bills fans need to calm down. 

The fans that are calling for his head right now will only calm down when we win a Super Bowl.  

[BeastMaster]

I've been on record since 13 seconds

 

It all goes back to 13 seconds

[Nihilarian]

21 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

You know the Broncos when they had Elway moved on from Reeves eventually.   And he took them to superbowls. Sean and Beane havent even done that.    Moving on from Reeves was the right call.    But somehow some people think they are untouchable.

Yes, Denver found a diamond in their OC in Mike Shanahan, and he hired Gary Kubiak for his OC. The Denver offense was #1 overall in 1997 because they found a stud RB in Terrell Davis, and they ran the ball a tad more than they threw it. Davis had 1750 yards rushing and another 287 yards receiving. Not to mention they also had Rod Smith and Shannon Sharpe, two 1000-yard receivers.

 

Buffalo doesn't utilize James Cook enough in my view, as the kid was only on the field for 53% of the offensive snaps. Why not put him outside as a WR to get a mismatch with a LBer on him?  While I like Joe Brady, he simply isn't good enough right now.

 

OH, and BTW, this Buffalo offense is currently built very much like that Shanahan Denver offense

 

 

 

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Edited Tuesday at 06:01 PM by Nihilarian

[BernieBill]

Yes fire him ... had the position on the issue since 13 Seconds ... has not changed, only gets stronger with each passing year.  Nothing he does on either side of the ball is cutting edge.  He's a defensive guy and cannot build a championship defense.  He has an MVP QB whose career is being wasted.  If the Bills had not drafted Josh Allen, McDermott would have a mediocre coaching record and likely would have been outta here long ago.  Having Josh creates the illusion that McDermott is somehow a very good head coach ... he isn't.  New stadium next year, new coach.

[muppy]

15 hours ago, RiotAct said:

Not mid-season, no.

this is where I'm at. At the end of the season will be when a change happens if it does. But even that isn't a given.

 

Im buckled in for whatever come what may from now until then

 

I just want football Glory. that's it.

[Kirby Jackson]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The fans that are calling for his head right now will only calm down when we win a Super Bowl.  

That’s where I am. I’ve been there for a few years. If God forbid, they don’t get one with Josh, they may never. There is MAJOR urgency IMO for that reason.

[NewEra]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s where I am. I’ve been there for a few years. If God forbid, they don’t get one with Josh, they may never. There is MAJOR urgency IMO for that reason.

Yeah I’ve noticed.  Thing is, we can’t win a Super Bowl until February.  
 

So maybe calm down until December? Or be miserable (no offense, but you do seem somewhat miserable when discussing this team and the FO.  From my perspective anyway).  Seems like an easy choice.  🤷🏻‍♂️ 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Good points. I agree, but Josh doesn't have a lot to work with to help him out. Of course some of this could be scheme/philosophy (ie: small matchup linebackers & everyone eats no dominant WRs) which I agree is more a coaching issue.  Good point about the cap, but Beane has to draft better. I'm just curious if this is more a coaching issue (McD) or talent issue (Beane). They both have blame.

 

It's certainly a bit of both. But imo, the coaching has more issues than talent level.

 

The lack of fundamentals is appalling. These guys are better football players than anyone on this board, have progressed from high school to major college programs and were good enough to get drafted to the NFL... and across the board, I'm to believe our defenders never learned how to breakdown and make an open field tackle? Or line up correctly on Offense (illegal formations), Defense (clearly Offside), and Special Teams (illegal formations)? Or is it just the bad guidance they're getting (or NOT getting)...

 

The game planning is horrible or non-existent, not sure which is worse. But when you have fans trying to justify horrible game plans with "The Bills coaches know we're so good we dont want to show much against bad teams", and now we're LOSING those games, it's a problem.

 

And then the schemes... especially the defense... it's the crappy, soft, outdated, wild-card-caliber scheme that dictates talent issues. Small LBs, CBs that can only play zone, who knows wtf we're looking for at DL...

 

I'm not acquitting Beane. I've been a supporter (and even excuser), but at this point, if it means a change at HC then I'm for sacrificing Beane as well. You cant have that bad a track record in the first 2 rounds and survive.

 

I'm absolutely disgusted today.

[Nihilarian]

The NY Giants, in one of their Super Bowl years, went up to Seattle, and their QB was sacked 7x and intercepted 4x, and lost that game. Things looked pretty grim after that game, and yet they went on to win a Super Bowl. 

[Green Lightning]

15 hours ago, ***** said:

I’d fire Beane before McD but yep

If it were to happen, I think both would need to go out together. But let's be serious. Given the tire fire that is the Sabres and Terry won't move on Kevyn in 6 years, McBeane is going nowhere.

[Buffalo03]

7 hours ago, boyst said:

No, I know he did. 

 

Laugh all you want but maybe you're new here and don't know

Lol. No he didn't. Players don't win division titles for a coach that lost the locker room 9 years ago lol 

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I’ve noticed.  Thing is, we can’t win a Super Bowl until February.  
 

So maybe calm down until December? Or be miserable (no offense, but you do seem somewhat miserable when discussing this team and the FO.  From my perspective anyway).  Seems like an easy choice.  🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 It’s not though. You have 10-15 years of Josh Allen. This is the best chance you’ve had in 30 years. it may be the best chance that you have for the next 30 years. You have a Ravens team that looks out of it, a Bengals team that is out of it. This is as good of a chance as you’re going to get and they’re squandering it!!
 

You’re into year 8 of Allen and have yet to play for one. You entered the season with CLEAR and OBVIOUS shortcomings. The sheep were fine with “everybody eats” and Tre White starting at CB. Predictably, it’s been a disaster and you’re about to tick off another year of Josh. I’m not fine with that. There is an absolute urgency to make changes to avoid another year(s) of coming up short.

 

FWIW, I’ve been screaming this for the last 3 or 4 years (and I’m unfortunately right to this point). It’s one thing to lose. It’s a whole different issue to lose because of problems that should have been addressed. Lol, it’s not negativity it is reality. 

Edited Tuesday at 06:27 PM by Kirby Jackson

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Lol. No he didn't. Players don't win division titles for a coach that lost the locker room 9 years ago lol 

 

Players win for themselves. They win for each other. Plus, the last 5 years, Josh wins this division on his own.

 

ONE division rival finally got a decent QB and a very good HC, and they just ate our lunch in our own stadium.

 

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Lol. No he didn't. Players don't win division titles for a coach that lost the locker room 9 years ago lol 

@Kirby Jackson a little support here...

guy doesn't believe that McD lost the locker room over Peterman starting against the Chargers or the refusal to bench him.

nor that McD lost the players after the scapegoat 13 seconds thus causing us to move on from a veteran who was the main voice of the rebellion.

 

you and i both had separate confirmation of both of these instances - you even going so far as to mention players were texting at halftime they were pissed.

Edited Tuesday at 06:29 PM by boyst

[TwistofFate]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

It's certainly a bit of both. But imo, the coaching has more issues than talent level.

 

The lack of fundamentals is appalling. These guys are better football players than anyone on this board, have progressed from high school to major college programs and were good enough to get drafted to the NFL... and across the board, I'm to believe our defenders never learned how to breakdown and make an open field tackle? Or line up correctly on Offense (illegal formations), Defense (clearly Offside), and Special Teams (illegal formations)? Or is it just the bad guidance they're getting (or NOT getting)...

 

The game planning is horrible or non-existent, not sure which is worse. But when you have fans trying to justify horrible game plans with "The Bills coaches know we're so good we dont want to show much against bad teams", and now we're LOSING those games, it's a problem.

 

And then the schemes... especially the defense... it's the crappy, soft, outdated, wild-card-caliber scheme that dictates talent issues. Small LBs, CBs that can only play zone, who knows wtf we're looking for at DL...

 

I'm not acquitting Beane. I've been a supporter (and even excuser), but at this point, if it means a change at HC then I'm for sacrificing Beane as well. You cant have that bad a track record in the first 2 rounds and survive.

 

I'm absolutely disgusted today.

They can't even play  zone anymore, they get eaten alive. 

 

Zero communication in the secondary.  Eye candy moves them wherever the opposing offense wishes. Lack of legitimate blitz schemes.  Zero exotic looks. 

 

No safety blitzes, CB blitzes, etc. 

 

Every play is line up and bull rush.  Defense is flat, non aggressive, unprepared and predictable. 

 

I'm so pissed we kept Babich instead of picking up Ulbrich this offseason.  He led a top defense with the Jets and is doing it again with the Falcons. 

 

I'm so disgusted because it's clear as day this team is never winning a super bowl in this current state. Allen is being wasted in his prime and he may never win one. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Players win for themselves. They win for each other. Plus, the last 5 years, Josh wins this division on his own.

 

ONE division rival finally got a decent QB and a very good HC, and they just ate our lunch in our own stadium.

 

yes it's more than a little depressing it only took vrabel 6 games to get to the top of the division

[Mark92]

Yup.  Seems like a great guy and has really transformed the Bills into a yearly AFC Contender.  However, I believe he has reached his celing.  He lucked into Josh Allen and his scheme isnt good enough to get Josh to wherw he belongs.  

[Orlando Buffalo]

Anyone who thinks that McD is the problem based on past two weeks is being stupid, the players have executed poorly in both games. That being said if McD can't get the SB this year we need to move on, at some point he needs to be relieved of duty while Josh Allen is still Superman

[boyst]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I’ve noticed.  Thing is, we can’t win a Super Bowl until February.  
 

So maybe calm down until December? Or be miserable (no offense, but you do seem somewhat miserable when discussing this team and the FO.  From my perspective anyway).  Seems like an easy choice.  🤷🏻‍♂️ 

i don't think miserable is fair for him. remember, he has worked in a professional sports office before without going too far to out him. he has a high bar for his expectations and it is fair imo.

Edited Tuesday at 06:31 PM by boyst