Why keep bringing certain guys back?

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Haven’t you heard? Our defense is REALLY REALLY complicated. 

not that complex for RB’s, or good QB’s, esp in playoffs. 

[The Wiz]

8 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

You guys are just angsty because the Bills lost a game that has dug up a lot of old feelings of helplessness. This loss feels like the end of an era if you lean into the BBFS. But you're lighting torches and busting out the pitchforks over end of the roster moves. I'm not saying that it's wrong to question these moves, but the level of anger is a bit too high for minimal roster moves. Wanna get mad at something? The narrative that gets pushed around here that is actually true is that our WRs cannot separate. It's really obvious from the all-22. If you want to be mad about something, be mad about that. Not about a backup safety and a PS LB.  

 

FWIW, I think Milano will be put in IR very soon. That's why this was done. I would have rather had Josey Jewell too, but they did what they did. Now, go get a WR who can get open. 

I'd rather be mad about Kincaid's 54% snap count and 6 targets when even Kelce's lowest snap count is in the mid 70s.

 

Kincaid was eating and they decided to stop using him for some reason.  Wasn't listed on the injury report yesterday or today from McD so basically they just decided that they needed to play knox instead because "everybody eats"

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

Other teams do this same thing. You just don't know it because you don't follow end of the roster transactions of the other 31 teams. The all mighty KC Chiefs have their former draft bust Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Bills favorite Safety Mike Edwards on their PS (who they had and cut twice). The Eagles can't quit WR Quez Watkins. The Colts keep cutting and resigning Laquon Treadwell. And that's with 5 minutes of searching.

of course other teams do a bit…. We seem to be high on the list from my heavy watching of other teams 

[No_Matter_What]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

I don't think that's fair.   Another way to look at it is - what they've tried the past 4-5 years hasn't ultimately worked, so why not try something else?  It's not like they're bringing back Super Bowl winners here.  These are guys who have PROVEN they can't get it done.

Like I said. PS players have like 0,0001% impact on any teams chances to win SB. It doesn't matter if we have Spector there or some random other dude who is currently on Vikings or Texans PS. So saying that we should try do "something else" on PS doesn't make any sense to me when talking about SB.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

Other teams do this same thing. You just don't know it because you don't follow end of the roster transactions of the other 31 teams. The all mighty KC Chiefs have their former draft bust Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Bills favorite Safety Mike Edwards on their PS (who they had and cut twice). The Eagles can't quit WR Quez Watkins. The Colts keep cutting and resigning Laquon Treadwell. And that's with 5 minutes of searching.

yeah, but both KC and Philly get the benefit of the doubt due to winning the SB multiple times. 

[WotAGuy]

I imagine McDermott late at night, drinking Harvey’s Bristol Cream out of a huge snifter, calling all his ex-girlfriends, telling them he made a huge mistake in dumping them and crying. 

[Comebackkid]

1 hour ago, transient said:

AJ Klein's camper van is apparently not parked within range of a cell tower. 🤷‍♂️

he just forgot to plug his hearing aid in

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

of course other teams do a bit…. We seem to be high on the list from my heavy watching of other teams 

But you don't see those guys because they are on practice squads. They usually don't see the field much, even if they get called up. The guys that we keep cycling through here are end of the roster players. None of these guys even played on Sunday. You know who did play? Rookie Dione Walker (started and got 60% of defensive snaps) and Zion Logue and Phidarian Mathis, two practice squad players that the Bills had no prior connection to. That doesn't fit the narrative of this thread at all. 

[BananaB]

16 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I'd rather be mad about Kincaid's 54% snap count and 6 targets when even Kelce's lowest snap count is in the mid 70s.

 

Kincaid was eating and they decided to stop using him for some reason.  Wasn't listed on the injury report yesterday or today from McD so basically they just decided that they needed to play knox instead because "everybody eats"

That’s a huge problem. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

4 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

But you don't see those guys because they are on practice squads. They usually don't see the field much, even if they get called up. The guys that we keep cycling through here are end of the roster players. None of these guys even played on Sunday. You know who did play? Rookie Dione Walker (started and got 60% of defensive snaps) and Zion Logue and Phidarian Mathis, two practice squad players that the Bills had no prior connection to. That doesn't fit the narrative of this thread at all. 

 

Tre White and Jordan Philiips are both recycled former players well past their primes that we brought back. White's started every game this year in an important role. Phillips only has 1 start 

[NoName]

2 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Genuinely interested to see how beane would draft without McDermott.

The one year McD did the draft without Beane, didn’t he get Tre in first and Dawkins in 2nd?   
 

 

[ColoradoBills]

32 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Chiefs bring/brought back a bunch of their guys over and over too.

 

I just went to the KC Spotrac site and checked their top 5 guys on the PS.

ALL have been previously on the Chiefs.

 

I'm all for that BUT like I said, not a fan of the Spector re-signs but it means nothing in the big picture.

[Mat68]

38 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I'd rather be mad about Kincaid's 54% snap count and 6 targets when even Kelce's lowest snap count is in the mid 70s.

 

Kincaid was eating and they decided to stop using him for some reason.  Wasn't listed on the injury report yesterday or today from McD so basically they just decided that they needed to play knox instead because "everybody eats"

I think we are getting too caught up in the overall numbers.  Im curious the route run percentage.  I expect without looking Kincaid has the highest route participation of any of the TE by a wide margin.  Meaning they are throwing more when he is on the field and run more when he is off.  Not snap for snap but skewed that way.   
 

After checking Kincaid and Knox snap share vs route % flip.  Kincaid is at 60% of available routes and Knox is at 47%.  Would like to see some more.

Edited 1 hour ago by Mat68

[ColoradoBills]

31 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I'd rather be mad about Kincaid's 54% snap count and 6 targets when even Kelce's lowest snap count is in the mid 70s.

 

Kincaid was eating and they decided to stop using him for some reason.  Wasn't listed on the injury report yesterday or today from McD so basically they just decided that they needed to play knox instead because "everybody eats"

 

I'm just saying that I did see Kincaid shaking off a finger/hand issue after one of his later catches.  I remember saying I hope it isn't serious.

He did play after that.  FWIW.

[The Wiz]

8 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I think we are getting too caught up in the overall numbers.  Im curious the route run percentage.  I expect without looking Kincaid has the highest route participation of any of the TE by a wide margin.  Meaning they are throwing more when he is on the field and run more when he is off.  Not snap for snap but skewed that way.   

24/37 routes ran.  64% of his snaps were ran routes.

 

So yes, he is running routes but it's still a little closer to 50/50 than I would like.  I'm using chatgpt but this is what they returned on "routes ran in 2025"

Edited 1 hour ago by The Wiz

[gobills404]

Bringing in a former guy because of injuries midseason doesn’t bother me too much. Signing all those

former guys during the offseason was really annoying though. Our practice squad is basically becoming a pension program for washed up former Bills.

Edited 56 minutes ago by gobills404

[Mat68]

9 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

24/37 routes ran.  64% of his snaps were ran routes.

 

So yes, he is running routes but it's still a little closer to 50/50 than I would like.  I'm using chatgpt but this is what they returned on "routes ran in 2025"

I get it.  He is also having his best year thus far.  A few more snaps he has earned.  But im also ok rewarding Knox and Hawes for slamming their faces into des and opening up holes in the run game.  I think there is a balance that can be found that doesn't make the offense predictable by personnel but plays into the rooms strengths.   

[The Wiz]

13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm just saying that I did see Kincaid shaking off a finger/hand issue after one of his later catches.  I remember saying I hope it isn't serious.

He did play after that.  FWIW.

I know, I saw the same thing and wondered if they stopped using him as much also after he came off the field to evaluate and then limited him.  I would rather have him in the post season healthy than in week 5 (well, I'd prefer him healthy for all of it).

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I get it.  He is also having his best year thus far.  A few more snaps he has earned.  But im also ok rewarding Knox and Hawes for slamming their faces into des and opening up holes in the run game.  I think there is a balance that can be found that doesn't make the offense predictable by personnel but plays into the rooms strengths.   

Hawes, yes. Knox, no.

 

Paying close to $10m a year to have a blocking tight end that occasionally catches passes is basically what hawes has been doing for 900k.

 

Knox has 6 receptions. Hawes has 4.

Edited 45 minutes ago by The Wiz

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I know, I saw the same thing and wondered if they stopped using him as much also after he came off the field to evaluate and then limited him.  I would rather have him in the post season healthy than in week 5 (well, I'd prefer him healthy for all of it).

 

I agree.  Lots of hand wringing going on for the beginning of the season with new WRs and a D that will have some new faces soon.

 

Only thing I would think of doing is getting a DB by trade deadline.