Was Drake Maye THAT good yesterday?

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

He was good and our secondary was that bad.

 

Leaving 4-5 yards of separation, 10-15 yards of cushion... most NFL starting calibre QBs should feast.

 

I think he is a good QB and Vrabel will have them ready to play. The spector of NE once again winning the division is a bit of a panic, but I think they will be the team in our division that the Bills will have to work to beat for a while.

 

Just not turning the ball over will help as Vrabel teams usually are not offensive juggernauts, but don't make a lot of mistakes.

 

The Saints were on their way to maybe handing them an "L" (and I am not overly impressed with Rattler), but the Patriots peanut punched the ball out on the key drive forcing the turnover and winning the game.

 

Against better DBs Diggs and most of their recovers were quiet. Hunter Henry was solid.

 

So I think Maye is a good QB, but the hype after that particular game was a bit hyped.

 

 

What game did you watch? The Pats WR feasted on their secondary! The Refs kept the game close with 2 very questionable OPI on Diggs and then lost their flag when Douglas got clobbered before the ball was there and it wasn’t close.. what they did better than Buffalo was stopping the Pats meh Running attack.. imagine what Maye would do with a top WR he is making the Pats WR look dang good ( Boute had 97 yards and 2 TD AND Douglas had 87 yards and a TD.. should been 2) 

[Brand J]

Maye looks like the truth. His skill positions are pedestrian and he has no running game to speak of, but he still finds ways to move that offense. He has great awareness from what I’ve seen and throws an even more catchable ball than Allen. If New England stays healthy, they should get a WC spot with that soft schedule.

[boyst]

Maye is nothing more than the level of Mac Jones hype right now. It's a long season.  He's got 2 things to help him:

1) McDaniels is a great OC

2) desperate Massholes for any sense of pride since their savior Tom left his horse wife and their town to embarrass them with their loser culture and loser town... Boston is desperate for anything to be optimistic about because let's face it... They ain't got much.

[Maine-iac]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

so you're convinced that was read option w ty johnson in motion? sounds like your mind is made up lol

Yes

 

https://www.youtube.com/live/5q3xfzorovk?si=HpfKJXadp_95T7BT&t=2045

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Metcalf or Pickens should have been the target this year. I gave them some grace last year because they moved on from Diggs and Davis and there weren't any big ticket options available so I get that they had to use 2024 as kind of a reload year. What sucks is that this is supposed to be the season where we see the results of the 2nd rebuild and after spending a fortune on defense it looks the same while the downfield passing offense remains neutered. In a year where the entire NFL looks more vulnerable than ever it feels like we have wasted an opportunity to really pull ahead by leaning into the one person in the organization that makes us special. The #1 seed is the goal and instead I'm not even 100% confident we will win the division. So yeah watching a division rival's QB do what Josh Allen used to do on the regular is pretty deflating.

 

 

I never understood why people pretended Palmer was a legit downfield threat. It's emblematic of this regime's priorities that in a season where Metcalf and Pickens were available, our "big investment" was the Chargers #3 WR. The defense of course we spent a fortune on. Can't have anything less than two full starting lines worth of defensive line talent, while Josh Allen is throwing real NFL passes to Tyrell Shavers.

 

Anyways I'm getting sick of my own negative talk at this point so I'll leave it at that.

 

He averaged 15 and 15.3 yards per catch the last 2 seasons.  That is in the wheel house of the better deep threats in the league

 

12th and 17th in the league respectively 

Edited 23 hours ago by NewEra

[Shortchaz]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

Maye is nothing more than the level of Mac Jones hype right now. It's a long season.  He's got 2 things to help him:

1) McDaniels is a great OC

2) desperate Massholes for any sense of pride since their savior Tom left his horse wife and their town to embarrass them with their loser culture and loser town... Boston is desperate for anything to be optimistic about because let's face it... They ain't got much.

This is important. the patriots are likely to get better and better. They also have the benefit of not having much tape out on them (tendencies). with margins being what they are in the NFL, that in an under-appreciated asset. 

[Success]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

Maye is nothing more than the level of Mac Jones hype right now. It's a long season.  He's got 2 things to help him:

1) McDaniels is a great OC

2) desperate Massholes for any sense of pride since their savior Tom left his horse wife and their town to embarrass them with their loser culture and loser town... Boston is desperate for anything to be optimistic about because let's face it... They ain't got much.

 

He's better than Mac Jones.  But he's still mostly hype, imo.

 

I just watched the highlights from today. It almost reminded me of Tua when he first had Hill & Waddle.  I get that the Pats receivers aren't at that level - but they were as wide open as those guys can get, and a couple of times they had to slow down to catch the ball.

 

Allen so rarely has guys that open, way downfield.  Maye looked solid, but they hype is over the top.  He'll have a "pump the brakes" game soon, imo.

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

Yes

 

https://www.youtube.com/live/5q3xfzorovk?si=HpfKJXadp_95T7BT&t=2045

ok man

 

like i said, not here to convince you. im skeptical there's a such a clear give option to your backup rb in motion when the mesh point is essentially zero

[ToGoGo]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

 

He's better than Mac Jones.  But he's still mostly hype, imo.

 

I just watched the highlights from today. It almost reminded me of Tua when he first had Hill & Waddle.  I get that the Pats receivers aren't at that level - but they were as wide open as those guys can get, and a couple of times they had to slow down to catch the ball.

 

Allen so rarely has guys that open, way downfield.  Maye looked solid, but they hype is over the top.  He'll have a "pump the brakes" game soon, imo.

 

 

The league will catch up and make adjustments. If he can adjust to the adjustments, then I’ll start taking him seriously. 

[Psautcsk]

7 minutes ago, boyst said:

Maye is nothing more than the level of Mac Jones hype right now. It's a long season.  He's got 2 things to help him:

1) McDaniels is a great OC

2) desperate Massholes for any sense of pride since their savior Tom left his horse wife and their town to embarrass them with their loser culture and loser town... Boston is desperate for anything to be optimistic about because let's face it... They ain't got much.

Living in New England the Pats "fans" are out in full force. I have been hearing it all week how the Bills AFC East reign is over and the Pats own them. They are truly insufferable. If the Bills lose tomorrow, going into the bye in second place, it will be dreadful. 

[Success]

3 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

Living in New England the Pats "fans" are out in full force. I have been hearing it all week how the Bills AFC East reign is over and the Pats own them. They are truly insufferable. If the Bills lose tomorrow, going into the bye in second place, it will be dreadful. 

 

It's a very deluded fanbase.  Sometimes, I feel kind of glad I don't think the way they do.  Too much success...

 

[BananaB]

12 minutes ago, Success said:

 

He's better than Mac Jones.  But he's still mostly hype, imo.

 

I just watched the highlights from today. It almost reminded me of Tua when he first had Hill & Waddle.  I get that the Pats receivers aren't at that level - but they were as wide open as those guys can get, and a couple of times they had to slow down to catch the ball.

 

Allen so rarely has guys that open, way downfield.  Maye looked solid, but they hype is over the top.  He'll have a "pump the brakes" game soon, imo.

 

 

Bills fans ain’t use to wide open WRs. Use to Allen trying to throw it through key holes. 

[TH3]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

It is for sure a philosophical decision more than anything. They've decided to lean into letting Maye do what he does best. So that philosophy combined with McDaniels who is of course one of the premier offensive minds in the league has helped them build a very good downfield passing offense despite middling WRs. It is something you have to commit to as an organization.

 

Boutte is a legit talent. He was once considered a 1st round prospect before injuries and questions about his attitude caused him to slide to the 6th round. They might have something there. Not that he is a superstar but he may be more than a JAG. Douglas and Hollins, yeah those are classic JAGs.

 

 

Just to clarify my point without re-opening the Bills discussion (I am guilty of driving this thread off the rails) - It isn't about just the WR room, it's about an entire organizational philosophy that has moved us away from what makes Josh Allen special. WR investment to me is definitely the biggest symptom of the problem but the problem is more fundamental than that. @GoBills808 said it more succinctly above.

 

I thought you were tiring of your own critical talk

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Yes

 

https://www.youtube.com/live/5q3xfzorovk?si=HpfKJXadp_95T7BT&t=2045

 

Hmm you know until now I had gone with the common sentiment that Allen made the wrong read here. Now I'm not so sure. I can't remember seeing us run a read option where the RB is in motion like this. And before the snap Allen makes an alert call. An alert call into a read option? Can't say I've ever seen us do that before. Also from the endzone view you never see Allen glance at Landry, on read option he'd be reading the DE but his helmet never even twitches in that direction he is staring straight ahead. It might have been a fake handoff QB keeper all the way. The only thing that gives me pause is that Landry is totally unaccounted for and read option is the only play call that could have possibly accounted for him. So I don't know.

[Maine-iac]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hmm you know until now I had gone with the common sentiment that Allen made the wrong read here. Now I'm not so sure. I can't remember seeing us run a read option where the RB is in motion like this. And before the snap Allen makes an alert call. An alert call into a read option? Can't say I've ever seen us do that before. Also from the endzone view you never see Allen glance at Landry, on read option he'd be reading the DE but his helmet never even twitches in that direction he is staring straight ahead. It might have been a fake handoff QB keeper all the way. The only thing that gives me pause is that Landry is totally unaccounted for and read option is the only play call that could have possibly accounted for him. So I don't know.

If Allen makes an alert into a bad run or he doesn't hand it off on a read option where the RB most likely scores it's still the same result.  When you make the right reads at QB you get the credit and you get the accolades.  Same is true when you make the wrong reads.  Allen usually gets it right.  Not saying he played a horrible game but the mistakes he made cost us points and eventually we lost by 3.  

Edited 22 hours ago by Maine-iac

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hmm you know until now I had gone with the common sentiment that Allen made the wrong read here. Now I'm not so sure. I can't remember seeing us run a read option where the RB is in motion like this. And before the snap Allen makes an alert call. An alert call into a read option? Can't say I've ever seen us do that before. Also from the endzone view you never see Allen glance at Landry, on read option he'd be reading the DE but his helmet never even twitches in that direction he is staring straight ahead. It might have been a fake handoff QB keeper all the way. The only thing that gives me pause is that Landry is totally unaccounted for and read option is the only play call that could have possibly accounted for him. So I don't know.

tackle wrap/dart

 

eagles run it a ton. find me a single one w barkley in motion and ill admit there's a give option

[The Frankish Reich]

People here can be weird. I know we hate the Pats. OK, got it. But is it so hard to admit that they are now a good football team? Not a great team, but a good team with considerable upside. And a very good young QB with even more upside.

There. I said it. Wasn't so hard.

[Aesop]

The Maye love is slightly over blown. Diggs carried him against the Bills and he got a soft match up vs the Saints and another one next week vs the Titans. I think he is a top 15 QB, but he still has alot to prove before I consider him a top QB. Kid has talent, but lets see how the rest of the season plays out.

[buffblue]

56 minutes ago, Success said:

 

He's better than Mac Jones.  But he's still mostly hype, imo.

 

I just watched the highlights from today. It almost reminded me of Tua when he first had Hill & Waddle.  I get that the Pats receivers aren't at that level - but they were as wide open as those guys can get, and a couple of times they had to slow down to catch the ball.

 

Allen so rarely has guys that open, way downfield.  Maye looked solid, but they hype is over the top.  He'll have a "pump the brakes" game soon, imo.

 

 

The hype is not over the top. He's completing 73% of his passes with a 112 QB rating and 10 TD's in his 2nd year with no running game and receivers that are on par with the Bills. The pass to Boutte down the sideline to clinch the game today was superb. He passes the eye test every time I've watched him play. There is little reason to believe your last statement other than hope.

[Success]

6 minutes ago, buffblue said:

The hype is not over the top. He's completing 73% of his passes with a 112 QB rating and 10 TD's in his 2nd year with no running game and receivers that are on par with the Bills. The pass to Boutte down the sideline to clinch the game today was superb. He passes the eye test every time I've watched him play. There is little reason to believe your last statement other than hope.

 

I've seen too many QB's have games like he's having for a few weeks.

 

And that's what we're talking about - a few weeks.

 

Maybe I'm in denial, but I see a lot of hype based on people needing the Pats to be a villain again.  Let's see a few 4th quarter comeback drives. Let's see a 300 yard game.  He has done extremely little for the wild hype he is getting right now.