The final play to Shakir. Samuel was wide open for easy TD

[Buffalo4Life01]

22 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

I'm not comparing him to other QBs though. 

 

I'm comparing him to the high standards he has for himself and the bar he has set the last 1.5 years. 

 

It was not a typical Allen game. Mistakes are mistakes. The margin in this league his small

 

Again, I am 99.9% sure he would tell Hailee the same thing when she asked about the game

 

 

Agree with this 100%.  Well said.

[PayDaBill$]

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

So yes, Shakir was interfered with as you can see in the image...he is hit the ball is not there yet.....But If Allen just stayed in the pocked he had a simple throw for an easy 30 yard TD to Curtis Samuel.  Not sure why Josh bailed on good protection.  

 

Shakir was 100% hit early and also as you can see in the other image Allen was hit in the head after the throw.  Everything was called in this game and they let these go for some reason.  There is simply no explanation for it.  

 

TO Be Clear the second picture the ball in front of shakir was on its way to him not bouncing off.  It was as obvious as it gets that it was PI why the whistle was swallowed who knows?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because Josh was roiling right and Samuel was on the opposite side of the field back turned going in the opposite direction. Tough toss throwing opposite side there!

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by PayDaBill$

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I've said before that my least favorite aspect of the McBeane regime is they are ruining Josh's legacy. You can see it in this thread, people saying he had a bad game or comparing the performance to the Houston game last year. When in fact he actually played really well outside of one terrible mistake. The run game wasn't there, his skill players had two costly fumbles, his pass catchers weren't separating, and the offense kept going backwards because of dumb penalties. This was not an A+ game from Allen but a bad game?Bills fans have lost sight of what normal QB play actually looks like for the rest of the NFL. It's sobering that an A- game leads to us losing to a middle class opponent at home.

i would call this his B game

 

it's a function of how little NFL folks like OP watch...100% of QBs are missing reads and throws and turning the ball over. 0.0% of QBs are making the plays Allen does to keep us on schedule w any kind of regularity

 

i mean this would have been a good game for Mahomes last season for example and they won 15 games. that when allen puts up this line the offense looks lost is more testament to how reliant we are on MVP level play from the QB spot than anything else. it's a big ask and we do it season after season after season

[Wayne Cubed]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Brutal from Allen here…

 

 

Again, he's wide open AFTER Allen rolls right. The Safety, is over the top, he's litterally sitting there in Sharps freeze frame AND Gonzalez is gaining depth. The whole defense flows right when Josh rolls right, leaving Samuel open. If Josh's eyes take him back to Samuel, the Safety, LB and Gonzalez all will move in that direction.

Now, if you want to argue he bailed on a clean pocket and the crosser would have been there for a nice gain, setting up a possible 4th and short, I'll buy that. But when Allen hits his drop back, Samuel isn't open.

[Governor]

I don’t remember seeing much of the 13 personnel stuff. Where did it go?

[CincyBillsFan]

Damn the knives are out for Allen today.  One freaking play where he bailed early cost the Bills the game?  Really?  The usual suspects on 2BD have been holding in their resentment of all things Allen during the 4 - 0 start and seem thrilled to be able to point to a couple of potential "mishaps" on Allen's part. 

 

Do any of you actually watch other football games?  If you're going to go through every play you would see that even the best players in the game, and Allen is undoubtedly one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL, will mess up on a couple of plays per game.  

 

But let's try a thought experiment:  say Allen stayed in the pocket and threw a TD pass on that play and the Bills go up 24 - 20 with 2 minutes to play and NE with 3 TO's.  How confident are you that they don't go down and score a game winning TD with very little time left on the clock?  

 

 

[TBBills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

I don't have access to the ALL-22 film and I'm not going to go back and re-watch the entire game again just to give you examples.  I know what I saw from watching with my own eyes.  Collinsworth mentioned on 3 or 4 occasions that Allen seemed to be bailing from clean pockets, and Joe Marino who does have access to all-22 made mention of it several times on his podcast this morning.  It's okay to admit Allen didn't play up to his standards.  I would expect him to say the same thing if asked. 

Ty probably scores on that play. He had a ton of room. 

 

I agree. I'm sure Allen would agree with you, I and others are saying. 

 

 

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

i would call this his B game

 

it's a function of how little NFL folks like OP watch...100% of QBs are missing reads and throws and turning the ball over. 0.0% of QBs are making the plays Allen does to keep us on schedule w any kind of regularity

 

i mean this would have been a good game for Mahomes last season for example and they won 15 games. that when allen puts up this line the offense looks lost is more testament to how reliant we are on MVP level play from the QB spot than anything else. it's a big ask and we do it season after season after season

What?  Now you are attacking me for having an opinion also?  

 

You think I don't watch the nfl and don't know anything?  

 

Whatever. I now have been told I live in my moms basement, I only understand football from a madden point of view (don't even own or play the game) and now I do not watch the nfl either?

 

Ridiculous.  I will just keep my thoughts to myself going forward I guess.  

[Fan in Chicago]

25 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

- but there was a clear missed opportunity, and easier opportunity to Samuel from the pocket that gets us close to a TD or a TD.  I would bet good money Josh wants that one back.  

 

He owned that int in the press conference with no excuses. And he is correct.  

On the handoff fumble he said "it was a bad handoff" without pointing fingers.  

He didn't need to say anything about the stupid fumble by Coleman.

Edited 2 hours ago by Fan in Chicago

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i would call this his B game

 

it's a function of how little NFL folks like OP watch...100% of QBs are missing reads and throws and turning the ball over. 0.0% of QBs are making the plays Allen does to keep us on schedule w any kind of regularity

 

i mean this would have been a good game for Mahomes last season for example and they won 15 games. that when allen puts up this line the offense looks lost is more testament to how reliant we are on MVP level play from the QB spot than anything else. it's a big ask and we do it season after season after season

This is a great observation.  Allen played his B game and the Bills lost.  Mahomes plays a lot of B games that the Chiefs win.  And that's why the Chiefs and not the Bills are going to Super Bowl games.

 

 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Damn the knives are out for Allen today.  One freaking play where he bailed early cost the Bills the game?  Really?  The usual suspects on 2BD have been holding in their resentment of all things Allen during the 4 - 0 start and seem thrilled to be able to point to a couple of potential "mishaps" on Allen's part. 

 

Do any of you actually watch other football games?  If you're going to go through every play you would see that even the best players in the game, and Allen is undoubtedly one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL, will mess up on a couple of plays per game.  

 

But let's try a thought experiment:  say Allen stayed in the pocket and threw a TD pass on that play and the Bills go up 24 - 20 with 2 minutes to play and NE with 3 TO's.  How confident are you that they don't go down and score a game winning TD with very little time left on the clock?  

 

 

I’m not knives out for Allen..

 

Im knives out for this FO that refuses to give Allen an acceptable WR room which inevitably leads to games like this where he gets beat up physically AND mentally, leading to mistakes he rarely makes. 
 

And Week 5 isn’t the end of the world, but this is what we see year in/year out against KC in the playoffs with Allen having to be superhuman while Mahomes can simply play QB against our undersized decimated soft Defense.  
 

The Allen mistakes don’t make me want to rip Allen .. they make me beyond frustrated that Beane won’t give him what he deserves at WR year in, year ****** out. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

What?  Now you are attacking me for having an opinion also?  

 

You think I don't watch the nfl and don't know anything?  

 

Whatever. I now have been told I live in my moms basement, I only understand football from a madden point of view (don't even own or play the game) and now I do not watch the nfl either?

 

Ridiculous.  I will just keep my thoughts to myself going forward I guess.  

i already said- you need to pause at the top of his drop as that's when the reads/timing match up

 

not after he's bailed right

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I’m not knives out for Allen..

 

Im knives out for this FO that refuses to give Allen an acceptable WR room which inevitably leads to games like this where he gets beat up physically AND mentally, leading to mistakes he rarely makes. 
 

And Week 5 isn’t the end of the world, but this is what we see year in/year out against KC in the playoffs with Allen having to be superhuman while Mahomes can simply play QB against our undersized decimated soft Defense.  
 

The Allen mistakes don’t make me want to rip Allen .. they make me beyond frustrated that Beane won’t give him what he deserves at WR year in, year ****** out. 

I can agree with this.  As another poster noted last night was Allen's B game and he made some mistakes but also had several wow plays that kept drives alive and the Bills in the game.  

 

I would be more comfortable with the FO not giving Allen the tools he needs to consistently play his A game if they were not forcing the offense to play a certain way to protect the Defense and if the tools being lavished on the D had a better track record of success.

 

 

[thewookie1]

How I see it is that Allen isn't bailing to escape a clean pocket but rather escaping to reset the coverages downfield. He knows his receivers are better scrambling than straight up route running thus leans into it.

 

Curtis Samuel was sorta, kinda open a couple times but my guess is he wasn't the WR1 and thus wasn't seen until the safety was near him and while possible; he unlikely saw anyway to gun a ball 50 yards on a rope to Samuel in the endzone. (Air under the ball would give the safety time to break on it and Samuel isn't exactly a great contested catcher.) 

[Einstein]

49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Instead we got 3 "hero ball" shots that went no where.

 

This NEVER happened.

 

1st down: Screen pass to Shakir that he dropped

 

2nd down: Every receiver was downfield. Only Cook was close. It would have been a 3 yard pass where Cook gets crushed by the linebackers.

 

3rd down: Shakir and Knox were open on 3 yard crosser. You wanted him to throw that and make it 4th and 7?

[tigerthelion]

36 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

That's how I see it too. many times last night we had guys open - if not wide open, and Josh missed them. Didn't pull the trigger. Their D played very good and Josh played exactly like he does vs a good Defense. Which is mediocre hero ball. Just wait till we play KC, Philly and NE again.

Yeah, you're right.  Josh always plays terribly against the Chiefs, am I right?   He also played an awful game last time we played the Eagles when he was the best player on the field.  Maybe we can trade Josh Allen, since he is completely useless against a good defense.  After all, the playoff losses against the better competition are always on him.  

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

This NEVER happened.

 

1st down: Screen pass to Shakir that he dropped

 

2nd down: Every receiver was downfield. Only Cook was close. It would have been a 3 yard pass where Cook gets crushed by the linebackers.

 

3rd down: Shakir and Knox were open on 3 yard crosser. You wanted him to throw that and make it 4th and 7?

 

Yeah, was already corrected on 1st down. Doesnt change much.

 

2nd down, a 3 yard gain and clock running was still better than what we got. Maybe Cook gets another yard.

3rd down, again, a 3 yard crosser is better than what we got.

 

It would have been 4th and 3, maybe even 4th and 2, and more likely to go for it.

ANYTHING would have been better than what he did on 2nd and 3rd down, which was nothing and too much at the same time.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by DrDawkinstein

[oldmanfan]

21 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Damn the knives are out for Allen today.  One freaking play where he bailed early cost the Bills the game?  Really?  The usual suspects on 2BD have been holding in their resentment of all things Allen during the 4 - 0 start and seem thrilled to be able to point to a couple of potential "mishaps" on Allen's part. 

 

Do any of you actually watch other football games?  If you're going to go through every play you would see that even the best players in the game, and Allen is undoubtedly one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL, will mess up on a couple of plays per game.  

 

But let's try a thought experiment:  say Allen stayed in the pocket and threw a TD pass on that play and the Bills go up 24 - 20 with 2 minutes to play and NE with 3 TO's.  How confident are you that they don't go down and score a game winning TD with very little time left on the clock?  

 

 

Just stop. For God sakes.  We all love Josh.  To me is the best QB in the league.  But it is not blasphemy to say he did not have his best game last night.  And I will say again that outside of Kincaid I don’t know that anyone did. But it is not blasphemy to say that Josh had some plays he’d like back, particularly the pick.  It doesn’t mean we thought he sucked.  It doesn’t mean anyone here is blaming him for the loss.  Just that, like many of his teammates, he could have done a little better. Perhaps you and others shouldn’t be so sensitive about this.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

3 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

Yeah, you're right.  Josh always plays terribly against the Chiefs, am I right?   He also played an awful game last time we played the Eagles when he was the best player on the field.  Maybe we can trade Josh Allen, since he is completely useless against a good defense.  After all, the playoff losses against the better competition are always on him.  

 

Calm down. We all love Josh and know how great he is and wouldnt trade him for anything. That doesnt mean hes always perfect or we arent allowed to discuss mistakes.  You guys are so sensitive.

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

ANYTHING would have been better than what he did on 2nd and 3rd down, which was nothing and too much at the same time.

 

 

He threw to an open receiver on 3rd down!!!!

 

In your mind, you want him to throw a 2-3 yard crosser instead of throwing to an open WR who is past the sticks on 3rd down????

 

Thank Goodness you are not one of our coaches.