ScottishBills Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Daaaaamn!!! This chart makes him look like a young DK Metcalf in the making 🤣 But confused by this though - who can explain? DK is definitely quick, so why such low separation in man coverage? Sterling Shepard doesn't look quick, very decent separation. In a way this seems positive if you really really squint - it must be possible to improve the technical part of creating separation (Keon won't get much quicker I assume) He also has a decent YPRR - if he could just get to "below average" as a separator he could more up and right towards BTJ and Tet McMillan area? Or is this the whole point? Some guys just can't / don't separate? In that case, can we look at the scheme? I definitely see DK open and catching the ball and he also can't/doesn't separate? So they must have been finding ways to get him open all these years? Or that just means he is only doing it against Zone coverage? 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Cue the Keon truthers to tell you that the data is bad/irrelevant or he needs more time to develop because he’s young or it’s Brady’s fault or whatever other excuse they can come up with. The guys stinks. He can’t get open. It’s not complicated. Here’s another chart showing his ineptness: Edited 18 hours ago by Kirby Jackson 1 2 Quote
finn Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago On 10/28/2025 at 7:38 AM, Pete said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP7AykAkeQg/?igsh=MTZuM21xdzljZmtreQ== The Bills have a problem and his name is Keon Coleman Coleman is a basketball player playing football. He's tall with a crazy vertical and elite body control--when the ball is five feet over his head. Allen and Brady have assumed that with his athleticism he could catch back-shoulder throws, making up for his lack of separation. Makes perfect sense, only he simply can't seem to adjust to those throws. Bizarre but true. That makes him even more one-dimensional. The good news is that one dimension can be spectacular, as he showed in college. Give him fades and high jump balls, and he'll win every time. I don't recall which game it was, but remember that high ball in the back of the end zone that he skyed for and caught, only to land out of bounds? Compare that to the "fade" in the end zone in another Baltimore game that was chest-level. He might have caught it if he weren't interfered with, but my point is that if Allen had thrown it ten feet above his head, he would have climbed the ladder and brought it down. So there's hope! Maybe we have a star here who Allen and Brady (of course not Brady, who can't figure out anything) haven't learned to use yet. Quote
dave mcbride Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, ScottishBills said: Daaaaamn!!! This chart makes him look like a young DK Metcalf in the making 🤣 But confused by this though - who can explain? DK is definitely quick, so why such low separation in man coverage? Sterling Shepard doesn't look quick, very decent separation. In a way this seems positive if you really really squint - it must be possible to improve the technical part of creating separation (Keon won't get much quicker I assume) He also has a decent YPRR - if he could just get to "below average" as a separator he could more up and right towards BTJ and Tet McMillan area? Or is this the whole point? Some guys just can't / don't separate? In that case, can we look at the scheme? I definitely see DK open and catching the ball and he also can't/doesn't separate? So they must have been finding ways to get him open all these years? Or that just means he is only doing it against Zone coverage? There was a breakdown of his game on video in the offseason. He is a terrible route runner who takes way too many steps, presumably trying to juke people. It slows him down and makes it very easy to cover him. He is just not good at the running and getting open part of football. Quote
Slowcoach Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago Jakobi Meyers and Brian Thomas Jr are Keon’s direct neighbors on that chart Quote
Billl Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Cue the Keon truthers to tell you that the data is bad/irrelevant or he needs more time to develop because he’s young or it’s Brady’s fault or whatever other excuse they can come up with. The guys stinks. He can’t get open. It’s not complicated. Here’s another chart showing his ineptness: 14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Beane should have grabbed Tyquan Thornton in the offseason. He’d have been a good fit with his length and deep speed. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billl said: Beane should have grabbed Tyquan Thornton in the offseason. He’d have been a good fit with his length and deep speed. He wasn't available. You guys won the Thornton sweepstakes after the Pats cut him in November of last year (we may or may not have been in on him then, but alas he chose KC) and then signed him to a Futures Deal in February. Then he made the 53 outright out of Training Camp. In hindsight, we should have tried to poach him and sign him to the Active Roster from your PS last year. But who knows if KC would have blocked it by signing him to their Active Roster or not. Edited 6 hours ago by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Billl said: Beane should have grabbed Tyquan Thornton in the offseason. He’d have been a good fit with his length and deep speed. Lol, I never thought that Tyquan Thornton would have been a good option but he would have been. He would have been a really nice fit. He would have been what MVS was supposed to be. 1 Quote
Success Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 23 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: That kind of stings to read. So disappointing. I have a sliver of hope still - but not much more than that. We've had too many misses in the early rounds. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Success said: That kind of stings to read. So disappointing. I have a sliver of hope still - but not much more than that. We've had too many misses in the early rounds. Honestly, I'm at a point where i'd be taking calls on him. Especially in a deal that involved another WR. There may be a team out there that liked him in the Pre-Draft process and thinks they can get something out of him if used differently and/or as an added piece to a loaded core where he wouldn't be focused on. It's clear that on our team and the way we want to use him, it's just not going to work. So get out from under him before his value completely plummets to nothing. He's put some good stuff on film (inconsistently) and he's still early enough in his development. 2 Quote
Old Coot Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 12 hours ago, dave mcbride said: There was a breakdown of his game on video in the offseason. He is a terrible route runner who takes way too many steps, presumably trying to juke people. It slows him down and makes it very easy to cover him. He is just not good at the running and getting open part of football. You'd think that this would be corrected by the coaches. Isn't that what WR coaches are for? Quote
SCBills Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Knives out for Keon this week. Seeing it everywhere.. National podcasts, ESPN, Fox etc It’s like the national media all realized at once how bad he’s been. 1 1 Quote
stevewin Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Cue the Keon truthers to tell you that the data is bad/irrelevant or he needs more time to develop because he’s young or it’s Brady’s fault or whatever other excuse they can come up with. The guys stinks. He can’t get open. It’s not complicated. Here’s another chart showing his ineptness: Charts are obviously broken - shouldn't Worthy be off the chart top right into the margin 1 Quote
Brand J Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: Knives out for Keon this week. Seeing it everywhere.. National podcasts, ESPN, Fox etc It’s like the national media all realized at once how bad he’s been. Now will his lackadaisical and aloof attitude continue? Or will we see a player who uses that criticism to get that dawg in him and prove everyone wrong? Seeing as how he’s been disciplined twice by McD, my money is on the former, unfortunately. Quote
Chuck Schick Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 15 hours ago, nuklz2594 said: reminds me of Tom Hardy and Perry Tuttle... 15 hours ago, nuklz2594 said: Quote
SCBills Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago Stefon Diggs level tweeting with Trevon Diggs level play on the field. Quote
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