For all you McDermott haters, who would you want? (Now a poll)

[Billsfanatic8989]

I can't even rib my Patriots fan friend because I have no comeback. 

 

Me: Patriots won't win the division title nor make the postseason this year. You got a ways to go.

 

Him: I watched my team win six SB titles. Get back to me when your team wins one. Better yet, get back to me when your team stops wasting Josh Allen and can actually get to a SB. The Patriots will be in a SB before the Bills are. 

 

I had nothing left to say lol. I can't brag about winning division titles and Allen being elite. It doesn't matter to a fan of a team where winning a title is the only measure of success. 

 

Point being, the Bills have really wasted being in a weak division with an elite QB. How much better will Allen be in his 30's. What will be different about McDermott? The QB play has been very good to great in the postseason. The DC's have changed. Yet, the defense regularly gets abused by elite QB's. There is one constant.

 

 

 

 

[L Ron Burgundy]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He's taken his team to a Super Bowl 50% of the time lol

 

 

Yeah I've no clue on the validity.  Seems wrong to me but the perception is out there.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

On 10/9/2025 at 11:13 PM, Brand J said:

We need to find our version of Bills Parcells. 

Bills Parcells and Buffalo Bill Cowher would have definitely hoisted the Lombardi here by now, gents!

[Augie]

For the 40%+ who say trade for Sean McVay, what exactly makes you think they would give him away for some draft picks? 

 

For the 20 people so far who opted for Gruden, he’d be right up there with Rex in terms of the LAST guy I’d want. I had enough personal experience with that little fella with the GIANT ego that I’d put my Bills fandom on hold. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 10/5/2025 at 11:49 PM, ClemsonBills said:

I’d trade a draft pick for Sean McVay. Might be a great exit plan after stafford retires

I keep forgetting you can trade for coaches 

[L Ron Burgundy]

6 hours ago, Augie said:

For the 40%+ who say trade for Sean McVay, what exactly makes you think they would give him away for some draft picks? 

 

For the 20 people so far who opted for Gruden, he’d be right up there with Rex in terms of the LAST guy I’d want. I had enough personal experience with that little fella with the GIANT ego that I’d put my Bills fandom on hold. 

This is all in fun.  We haven't a clue who's available.  Mcvay I think has a chance to win a sb with this roster so I voted for him but I highly doubt he's an option.   

 

I'm just REALLY concerned we've got a coach simply not good enough to win the big game.  If we don't get one with Allen it'd be the biggest shame in sports.  All because we're holding onto an above average coach?  No thanks.  He broke the curse, great on the resume.  Can't win a superbowl you gotta go.  

[harryS]

On 10/9/2025 at 11:17 AM, Boo Radley Boston said:

Ben won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl with Tomlin. In fact, the Super Bowl that Tomlin won was with Bill Cowhers team.

 

Bens career was squandered. He was good enough to win more that 1 Super Bowl under Tomlin. Tomlin had Ben, Levon Bell, Antonio Brown, JuJu Smith all in their prime and screwed it up.

 

I hope that Allen does not wind up like Marino or Rivers.

 

Roethlisberger won 2 rings.  One was against the Seahawks and one was against the Cardinals.

 

I agree that even if Mahomes is QB1 like Tom Brady was, QB2 and QB3 should still be able to get a ring or two like Manning and Roethlisberger did.

 

That's why it's frustrating that Josh is winning 0 with McBeane.

 

The really sad thing is that Allen might actually be this generation's QB1 and will be shutout by McBeane.

[finn]

16 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

I can't even rib my Patriots fan friend because I have no comeback. 

 

Me: Patriots won't win the division title nor make the postseason this year. You got a ways to go.

 

Him: I watched my team win six SB titles. Get back to me when your team wins one. Better yet, get back to me when your team stops wasting Josh Allen and can actually get to a SB. The Patriots will be in a SB before the Bills are. 

 

I had nothing left to say lol. I can't brag about winning division titles and Allen being elite. It doesn't matter to a fan of a team where winning a title is the only measure of success. 

 

Point being, the Bills have really wasted being in a weak division with an elite QB. How much better will Allen be in his 30's. What will be different about McDermott? The QB play has been very good to great in the postseason. The DC's have changed. Yet, the defense regularly gets abused by elite QB's. There is one constant.

 

 

 

 

Consider how all of us will feel if the Bills lose for a FIFTH time against KC in the playoffs. Will the McDermott apologists continue making excuses for him? It was injuries, it was the refs, it was the cheerleaders. When will it dawn on people that he is a brake on this team, and may have cost them one or more Super Bowls? Six losses? Seven? The entire Allen era? 

 

Even if they go all the way, it doesn't necessarily mean McDermott didn't hold them back all these years, and that he will continue holding them back if he's retained. The difference between the Chiefs and the Bills does not equate to 4-0 or even 4-1.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

16 minutes ago, finn said:

Consider how all of us will feel if the Bills lose for a FIFTH time against KC in the playoffs. Will the McDermott apologists continue making excuses for him? It was injuries, it was the refs, it was the cheerleaders. When will it dawn on people that he is a brake on this team, and may have cost them one or more Super Bowls? Six losses? Seven? The entire Allen era? 

 

Even if they go all the way, it doesn't necessarily mean McDermott didn't hold them back all these years, and that he will continue holding them back if he's retained. The difference between the Chiefs and the Bills does not equate to 4-0 or even 4-1.

It's no secret a lot of Bills fans have a limiting mindset from all the years of losing and the 4 super bowl losses. With this good of a QB the expectation is multiple super bowls not just one. McDermott has already, IMO, cost the team multiple super bowls. He's not going to change and even if they do win one, it will be despite him. 

[buffblue]

I like how 22 people have voted for Jon Gruden so far. I'd prefer Bill Cowher myself....in 2005

[HerdMenatlity1]

On 10/5/2025 at 11:53 PM, SCBills said:

I want to know who is more to blame for the CONSTANT recurring issues this team has year to year that ultimately holds us back. 
 

-Lack of pass rush

 

-Lack of outside WR talent

 

-Injury issues plaguing the Defense

 

Those two issues constantly hold us back and every year they’re not fixed. 
 

So who is responsible for the asset allocation?  Is Beane drafting to his coaches who want to be a heavy run team with WR’s who can block and a Defense that has penetrating smaller players?

 

Or is it both of them?  This team has serious holes right now due to the Hairston injury, years of misses on the DL and absolute disinterest in truly addressing the WR room. 
 

As currently constructed, this team has very serious flaws.  They’ve been visible since Week 1 and due to an easy schedule start, were masked until tonight. 
 

McDermott doesn’t seem like he can get us across the line but Beane also has very serious blind spots/weaknesses that continue to hurt this team … but is he drafting to what McDermott and his coaches want?

Who taught you how to count to two? I counted three issues listed. Couldn’t get past this part and take you seriously. And a one, and a two and a three. 

[finn]

11 minutes ago, HerdMenatlity1 said:

Who taught you how to count to two? I counted three issues listed. Couldn’t get past this part and take you seriously. And a one, and a two and a three. 

That's a low blow, like correcting someone's grammar. These posts aren't meant to be gems of polished rhetoric. 

[HerdMenatlity1]

34 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

It's no secret a lot of Bills fans have a limiting mindset from all the years of losing and the 4 super bowl losses. With this good of a QB the expectation is multiple super bowls not just one. McDermott has already, IMO, cost the team multiple super bowls. He's not going to change and even if they do win one, it will be despite him. 

Sounds like you would still be salty if we win a SB with him. You would be a 💩 fan then. Get a grip. OG Bills fans and Bills Mafia are kinda different. Bills Mafia I’d relatively new compared to older Bills fans. A lot of Bills Mafia are crybabies acting like you’re owed something. It’s entertaining guys. And this version of the Bills is fun to watch again. If we don’t win one with Josh, we’ll be fine. Not sure about whinny ass Bills Mafia though. New age little crybabies who haven’t accomplished the ultimate in their careers and want to live vicariously through a team that have no control over. Get a grip. 

Just now, finn said:

That's a low blow, like correcting someone's grammar. These posts aren't meant to be gems of polished rhetoric. 

Low blow? How old are you? I think SCbills can handle it. Thanks for defending him? I guess. You feel better now?

[finn]

7 minutes ago, HerdMenatlity1 said:

Sounds like you would still be salty if we win a SB with him. You would be a 💩 fan then. Get a grip. OG Bills fans and Bills Mafia are kinda different. Bills Mafia I’d relatively new compared to older Bills fans. A lot of Bills Mafia are crybabies acting like you’re owed something. It’s entertaining guys. And this version of the Bills is fun to watch again. If we don’t win one with Josh, we’ll be fine. Not sure about whinny ass Bills Mafia though. New age little crybabies who haven’t accomplished the ultimate in their careers and want to live vicariously through a team that have no control over. Get a grip. 

Low blow? How old are you? I think SCbills can handle it. Thanks for defending him? I guess. You feel better now?

I stopped reading after "Bills Mafia I'd  relatively new". I couldn't take you seriously after that. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I think that this is a tough conversation to have for Bills fans. We just don’t know a lot of what’s out there. We know very little about college football comparatively, so that whole segment of candidates is a blind spot. The coordinators that are always rumored to get HC jobs (Johnson, Glenn, Coen, etc) all got HC jobs. The coordinator most likely to take a HC role next year is our own Joe Brady. People knew Vrabel but he took a job. That basically leaves the fan base deciding if it’s better to bring back McCarthy, Gruden or Belichick in 2025. 🤣🤣 It was the same way when we used to always want Cowher or Shanahan. Those are HORRENDOUS options. 🤣🤣 

Edited 1 hour ago by Kirby Jackson

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that this is a tough conversation to have for Bills fans. We just don’t know a lot of what’s out there. We know very little about college football comparatively, so that whole segment of candidates is a blind spot. The coordinators that are always rumored to get HC jobs (Johnson, Glenn, Coen, etc) all got HC jobs. The coordinator most likely to take a HC role next year is our own Joe Brady. People knew Vrabel but he took a job. That basically leaves the fan base deciding if it’s better to bring back McCarthy, Gruden or Belichick in 2025. 🤣🤣 It was the same way when we used to always want Cowher or Shanahan. Those are HORRENDOUS options. 🤣🤣 

 

Yea I always say do not decide to hire or fire your coach based on who is or isn't available to replace them. You should always fire your guy as soon as you believe he is not the guy. If the Bills brass thinks that about McDermott by January they should fire him. 

 

However, this is a particularly BAD year for candidates IMO. There have been EIGHTEEN Head Coaching changes in the last two cycles. That has really emptied out the pipeline. You are spot on that Joe Brady is very likely at least a top 3 candidate around the league by the time the hiring cycle hits and personally I still think Joe has some growth required before I'd be convinced on him as a HC.

 

But in a world for a moment where the Bills do get themselves to "time for a change" I saw @HappyDays list of retreads earlier in the thread and I am very confident in saying all those names are downgrades from McDermott. I like Stefanski and he'd be high on my list as an OC candidate (if not at the top) and the idea of him bringing Schwartz back with him is appealing but if you think Sean is bad with clock and game management decisions I urge you to go watch some Browns games (I know, painful) Stefanski's game management is horrific. So any of those retreads feel like change for change's sake rather than change to get better. Feels like spin the wheel.

 

Where I do agree with @HappyDays is Klint Kubiak would be absolutely top of my list if I am looking for the next hot thing. I think you'd probably be jumping early on him (arguably even more so than on Brady) and it would be a completely new offensive scheme to Allen. There is relatively little read across from what he has run his career to date and what Kubiak wants to do in terms of either verbiage or route combinations and progressions. And who knows who he would bring as a DC - which has been a bit of an issue for some of those Shanahan guys. But I can see the thinking there that you might take a 1 year slight step back for what you hope is a bigger reward in time. At least conceptually that is the sort of hire I'd want them to be thinking about.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I always say do not decide to hire or fire your coach based on who is or isn't available to replace them. You should always fire your guy as soon as you believe he is not the guy. If the Bills brass thinks that about McDermott by January they should fire him. 

 

However, this is a particularly BAD year for candidates IMO. There have been EIGHTEEN Head Coaching changes in the last two cycles. That has really emptied out the pipeline. You are spot on that Joe Brady is very likely at least a top 3 candidate around the league by the time the hiring cycle hits and personally I still think Joe has some growth required before I'd be convinced on him as a HC.

 

But in a world for a moment where the Bills do get themselves to "time for a change" I saw @HappyDays list of retreads earlier in the thread and I am very confident in saying all those names are downgrades from McDermott. I like Stefanski and he'd be high on my list as an OC candidate (if not at the top) and the idea of him bringing Schwartz back with him is appealing but if you think Sean is bad with clock and game management decisions I urge you to go watch some Browns games (I know, painful) Stefanski's game management is horrific. So any of those retreads feel like change for change's sake rather than change to get better. Feels like spin the wheel.

 

Where I do agree with @HappyDays is Klint Kubiak would be absolutely top of my list if I am looking for the next hot thing. I think you'd probably be jumping early on him (arguably even more so than on Brady) and it would be a completely new offensive scheme to Allen. There is relatively little read across from what he has run his career to date and what Kubiak wants to do in terms of either verbiage or route combinations and progressions. And who knows who he would bring as a DC - which has been a bit of an issue for some of those Shanahan guys. But I can see the thinking there that you might take a 1 year slight step back for what you hope is a bigger reward in time. At least conceptually that is the sort of hire I'd want them to be thinking about.

The list is certainly a little limited. Curt Cignetti is a little older than I’d like but man. That guy has just the right amount of swagger/arrongance that I’m looking for. If he was mid 50’s instead of mid 60’s I’d probably be pounding the table for that guy. 

[Walking Tall]

If a change is made you better find someone that has been there and done that before.

 

At this stage of Allen’s career, to bring in a rookie head coach would be irresponsible.

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, Walking Tall said:

If a change is made you better find someone that has been there and done that before.

 

At this stage of Allen’s career, to bring in a rookie head coach would be irresponsible.

I just don’t understand that thinking. This is year 8 for Allen. What would be irresponsible would be to try it again in year 9 the same way. I don’t need someone that has succeeded or failed before. Maybe they take someone that’s been around but that is not a requirement for the next HC for me. Just show me someone that hasn’t reached the ceiling 8 times. 

[Walking Tall]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I just don’t understand that thinking. This is year 8 for Allen. What would be irresponsible would be to try it again in year 9 the same way. I don’t need someone that has succeeded or failed before. Maybe they take someone that’s been around but that is not a requirement for the next HC for me. Just show me someone that hasn’t reached the ceiling 8 times. 

I don’t know why you wouldn’t understand that.  I didn’t say don’t make a change. I said you’d better damn well know that the man you are bringing in is as good or better than Sean McDermott in running a football team. You have absolutely no idea what a rookie head coach would do calling the shots. You have no idea what staff that coach would put together. You have no idea what culture he’d bring to the locker room. You have no idea how he’d handle big games or critical game situations.

 

You bring in a dud and there go 3 more seasons of Allen’s career. 
 

Like when Tampa let go of Dungy, the Bills had better be wise if they consider such a move.