9/28/2025 Bills vs Saints post game thread

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   It’s a long season and who we are now isn’t who we will be in three months. It is the same every year. 
   I’m making zero excuses for the offensive performance or scheme. On the other hand, you could clearly see when Josh just said “ Eff it” and take off.
   This team has been notorious for playing down to or below the level f bad opponents for the brunt of the McD era. 
    I suspect as Josh, his pass catchers and Brady get on the same page, bit by bit it will get better. 
   The D on the other hand. They are who some of us vociferously said they would be and I have zero faith in any appreciable improvement.

I thought Josh got impatient halfway through the game and killed two drives tbh not trying to blame him for anything at all as even the very best qbs aren’t perfect but that was another game where the easy stuff was working well and we abandoned it for a brief time for pretty much no reason 

 

felt like we were using the saints to practice some things thinking the game was in hand tbh lol 

Edited Monday at 01:41 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[KOKBILLS]

10 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

I'll believe there's been a change to the defense when I see it.

 

Every year we bring in new pieces to address the shortcomings but they persist.  

 

Obviously the most important thing right now is stacking wins, and what teams look like right now will different from the finished product.  Get the one seed, stay healthy, and play your best football at the right time...  But I can't help but think that whatever is perennially wrong with our defense will be the teams downfall again.  Hopefully I'm wrong and it all comes together, or at least the offense can overcome.

 

I've been saying since mid 23 it's part scheme, part personnel, and part coaching... 

 

I still think that's basically true, though I think like you seem to the stubbornness to stick to whatever it is they do seems to have empowered even below average offenses when in years past it confused them and led to easy victories and high ranked Defenses. And before anyone jumps in on that point yes, I know they had better personnel then as well. 

But I don't have the answers past the fact that the Bills are going to have to get lucky and have players...like Cole Bishop for example...turn into great players. They are Drafting towards the bottom every year and seemingly missing out on impact-types. 

Here's what the Bills added to the Defense in Days 1-2 in the Draft from 2022-24...

Kaiir Elam
Terrel Bernard
Dorian Williams
Cole Bishop
DeWayne Carter

That's it... 3 on the Roster right now. One solid "vet" starter in Bernard, and then Bishop far and away the player with the most promise. Now, I get they have to Draft on Offense and I'm glad they did... But missing on the Elam and Carter picks hurts, even if you're talking about getting an average level NFL player. And Williams, for all his athletic ability, has not developed into the every-down-type of LB they were hoping for. 

As for this years bunch it's way, way too early of course... Based on my personal rankings Jihad Campbell was the highest ranked player on my board available to the Bills at #30... And it was not even close... I had Campbell as the #11 overall player on my board... I viewed him as exactly what the Bills desperately need... An impact player. Granted at a position where they seemingly had some depth... But still... I had Max exactly at #30 overall...The Bills traded WAY up to get Sanders...and I like Sanders...but I just assumed they would be looking at a bigger, more stout vs the run type... They Drafted Sanders at #41 overall and I had him at #48... So not bad value... It's tough to argue with the Sanders pick. I know some folks preferred Alfred Collins, but I agree with Beane on the pass rush upside for TJ. I just think TJ is a year away. He's going to need a full year of NFL strength and conditioning. I loved everything about Landon Jackson. How the Bills are not allowing him work out the kinks early is beyond be. I've got nothing against Javon Solomon, but Jackson has legit upside and he's they type of player that is going to win every now and again... Plus he's relentless... I definitely think he'll be better and stronger next year though... Maybe they are just being patient.

Lastly, I heard a caller on WGR this AM who basically said he's actually very excited about the Defense because, in his opinion, this will be the worst it looks all year. It's early, we have the injuries, the suspensions, the young players cutting their teeth... And I do think there is some validity to that prediction. Especially considering Oliver has been out and they just seem to be better when Milano is in there. We'll see down the stretch... But I'm not holding my breath. 

 

Edited Monday at 10:04 PM by KOKBILLS

[Sierra Foothills]

17 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

You keep mentioning Shaheed. Granted I know nothing about him other than numbers but those numbers indicate that there is like zero percent chance that adding him would increase our SB odds by more than 0,1% or so. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

And saying that not adding on offensive side might cost us SB this year after we scored 30+ in each game so far seems weird to me.

 

I agree.

 

I understand the concerns of those that would like a receiver that can take the top off a defense but against the Saints Josh averaged 9.5 yards per attempt and 13.2 yards per reception which are both well above the league average.

 

16 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

We're capable of better than we showed today.

 

We're also capable of worse than we showed today. The numbers show convincingly that the Bills are one of the most consistently dominant teams, week in and week out.

 

15 hours ago, balln said:

Problem is. Mahommes , Lamar, any good qb hits that pass for a td over his head. We’re gonna get roasted on D by any good qb / Good offense.

 

You don't appear aware at all that the pass that Bishop intercepted was thrown by a wide receiver on a trick play... and that it was a great one-handed interception by a player showing off his 39" vertical jump.

 

Big fail by you.

 

14 hours ago, JustHewIt said:

"23 points is basically the same as 30" is a new one

 

Yes, apparently 23 points is the new 30 points. 😄

 

Edited Monday at 02:27 PM by Sierra Foothills

[Low Positive]

Did I miss something? This entire board feels like the Bills lost to the Chiefs yesterday. We got Chiefs fans popping in to defend Mahomes. We got the Worthy thread bumped. We're firing the coach and the GM because the Chiefs beat us again in the playoffs. It's like a strange parallel universe. 

[Low Positive]

17 hours ago, Best Williams Available said:

James Cook is the best player the Bills have and I’m not sure Brady understands that. Josh clearly has a higher ceiling but doesn’t seem to factor into the middle 2 quarters for some reason.

This is not what I saw at all. There were a bunch of deep shots in the second quarter that were incomplete. And on all of those, you could see guys open underneath who probably could have gotten the first. Someone, either Josh Allen or Joe Brady, went away from what was working to try to open up the passing game. Then they went back to what was working on the first drive of the third quarter, and in retrospect, that was all she wrote. 

 

In general, there is a risk in downfield passing. They are lower-percentage plays that can either result in INTs or incompletions that put you behind the sticks. Those incompletions put a team in obvious passing downs, reducing the effect of the running game. Everything in football comes with a tradeoff. The Xs and Os of that are what make the game so great. 

[JerseyBills]

Cook and the OL were phenomenal,  Cook is easily a top 5 back I'd say

[WideNine]

5 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

I'll believe there's been a change to the defense when I see it.

 

Every year we bring in new pieces to address the shortcomings but they persist.  

 

Obviously the most important thing right now is stacking wins, and what teams look like right now will different from the finished product.  Get the one seed, stay healthy, and play your best football at the right time...  But I can't help but think that whatever is perennially wrong with our defense will be the teams downfall again.  Hopefully I'm wrong and it all comes together, or at least the offense can overcome.

We have struggled with our rushing and 3rd down defense for a while.

 

Buffalo Bills Defensive Rankings (2021–2025)

Season | Rushing Defense Rank | 3rd Down Defense Rank
-------|-----------------------|------------------------
2025   | 32nd                 | 17th
2024   | 17th                 | 13th
2023   | 15th                 | 13th
2022   | 5th                  | 32nd
2021   | 13th                 | 1st


Our tackling has been poor too and some of that starts up front with our young players getting moved off their spots and not being gap sound.
Overall tackling year over year since 2021 has been uninspiring for how much attention our defensive side of the ball gets.

Season | Missed Tackles | NFL Rank
-------|----------------|----------
2025   | 47 (through Week 3) | 18th
2024   | 108                | 14th
2023   | 125                | 20th
2022   | 98                 | 9th
2021   | 91                 | 6th

Here is the breakdown by player for this year. Some of it is growing pains with young players, but plenty of players that have been around are not taking good angles, breaking down, and wrapping up in space. They have to get better with the fundamentals.

I noticed that Dorian got the yank after he was juked by Rattler on a scramble and whiffed on an EZ run by Miller.  In fairness Miller ran through about 5 weak arm tackles on his way to the EZ so Dorian was not alone on that one.
 

Top 10 Buffalo Bills Players – Missed Tackles (2025)

Rank | Player              | Position   | Missed Tackles
-----|---------------------|------------|----------------
1    | Cole Bishop         | Safety     | 12
2    | Christian Benford   | Cornerback | 10
3    | Terrel Bernard      | Linebacker | 9
4    | Taylor Rapp         | Safety     | 8
5    | Dorian Williams     | Linebacker | 7
6    | Ed Oliver           | DT         | 6
7    | Matt Milano         | Linebacker | 6
8    | Greg Rousseau       | DE         | 5
9    | Taron Johnson       | Nickel CB  | 5
10   | DaQuan Jones        | DT         | 4

 

 

There is a lot of hope that the infusion of veteran talent on the line will get this unit back on track and hopefully we can upgrade that CB2 spot, but these players and coaches need to step up. Just getting better at tackling will go a long way to improving so many of the issues this defense has getting off the field. To throw our coaching staff a bone I feel like many times the coaches have put players in position to make the tackles, but too many times that first player misses.

I know each year is different, but one of our best defensive years was 2021 and that year we had 3 very senior coaches on that side of the ball with Frazier, Bob Babich Sr., and Eric Washington. Frazier took the heat for that epic loss to KC in the waning seconds, but overall the organization lost a lot of years of experience on that side of the ball. I would have to surmise that it has lead to the inconsistencies and growing pains we have seen since and probably why the team went out and brought in some veteran defensive coaches to assist this offseason.

When you make this many changes to a side of the ball it usually takes some time for all the pieces to fall into place so I am holding out hope for improvements as the season progresses.







 

Edited Monday at 05:07 PM by WideNine

[GaryPinC]

20 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hoecht is the only one of those that I expect to make an impact this year. Ogunjobi looked like a JAG in preseason and Hairston is going to have trouble finding his way onto the field. Would love to be wrong on at least that last point though.

 

The biggest concern to me is the defensive coaching which has shown no signs of improvement from last year. And that's what kills us in the playoffs every year. The 3rd down defense if anything looks even worse and those plays a lot of times are about their OC vs your DC.

Defensive coaching improvement is going to be a tough one early in the season, I think we have to be patient and look closely right now.

Sean already said to start the year the defense will be a work in progress due to new and inexperienced players.  So I think they would try and keep his system as simple as possible now, until the unit starts to come together.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/sean-mcdermott-explains-bills-curious-personnel-decisions-in-week-4-vs-saints

“Just looking at different players,” said McDermott, explaining why Codrington did not play. “Seeing how the game day roster looks with different players up, different players down. With the goal of making sure we have our best guys out there as we head down the road here.”

 

 

On Strong getting playing time:  “Just looking at a young player,” explained McDermott. “Giving him some experience and some valuable reps. It wasn’t anything that Tre didn’t do. That was the plan going into the game.”

 

This is new to me and exactly what I want to see from him with the defense.  I don't want incompetent players being given minutes, but if Hairston and/or Hancock are doing well enough in practice, I hope they get the same treatment.  Push their development because they could really help the team, especially in an injury situation.  So signs are looking good to me here.

 

My second component would be customizing the defense for the opponent.  Even down to specific plays.  I haven't seen much change here, and we've seen some attempts at man coverage, but we would really need Hairston at a minimum for that, IMO.  But given the unsettled status of the D, I think that is why we are playing such soft zones and unimaginative pass rush again.

 

Maybe coming off the bye, but I think around our 10th game (Tampa) will be where they start creatively tasking the defense.  Which means we may play infuriating D against KC and take a lot of fan grief for it, but I'd rather play vanilla and save it for the playoffs.  Mahomes is still very good but IMO has lost his elite quick-decision-making edge and I think we can take them in Jan/Feb this year if the D comes together. 

 

 

Edited Monday at 05:28 PM by GaryPinC

[Fan in Chicago]

7 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I'm old enough to remember when people thought Josh Allen couldn't lead an offense to 30.

 

... Or throw for 200 yards in a game. Yea, that was discussed extensively in this forum 

[BigDingus]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

This is not what I saw at all. There were a bunch of deep shots in the second quarter that were incomplete. And on all of those, you could see guys open underneath who probably could have gotten the first. Someone, either Josh Allen or Joe Brady, went away from what was working to try to open up the passing game. Then they went back to what was working on the first drive of the third quarter, and in retrospect, that was all she wrote. 

 

In general, there is a risk in downfield passing. They are lower-percentage plays that can either result in INTs or incompletions that put you behind the sticks. Those incompletions put a team in obvious passing downs, reducing the effect of the running game. Everything in football comes with a tradeoff. The Xs and Os of that are what make the game so great. 

 

And this is what I was discussing yesterday but in regards to Allen's downfield passing ability. I don't know what it is, but it's not very good. It's really never been great, despite the massive arm, but we're either missing the horses, or the timing is never there. 

 

I know the short passing & run game was working, but we SHOULD be able to open up the passing game beyond that. Being so successful running the ball & killing people underneath eventually makes defenses have to play up to stop that, so we need to be able to take advantage of the opportunities that opens up. 

 

It's not going to ruin us for now, but I hope they work things out in practice & make those plays a more successful part of their arsenal. If they do, they'll be able to put away teams a lot earlier. 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, Low Positive said:

This is not what I saw at all. There were a bunch of deep shots in the second quarter that were incomplete. And on all of those, you could see guys open underneath who probably could have gotten the first. Someone, either Josh Allen or Joe Brady, went away from what was working to try to open up the passing game. Then they went back to what was working on the first drive of the third quarter, and in retrospect, that was all she wrote. 

 

In general, there is a risk in downfield passing. They are lower-percentage plays that can either result in INTs or incompletions that put you behind the sticks. Those incompletions put a team in obvious passing downs, reducing the effect of the running game. Everything in football comes with a tradeoff. The Xs and Os of that are what make the game so great. 

 

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

On Dorian Strong getting playing time:  “Just looking at a young player,” explained McDermott. “Giving him some experience and some valuable reps. It wasn’t anything that Tre didn’t do. That was the plan going into the game.”

 

This is new to me and exactly what I want to see from him with the defense.  I don't want incompetent players being given minutes, but if Hairston and/or Hancock are doing well enough in practice, I hope they get the same treatment.  Push their development because they could really help the team, especially in an injury situation.  So signs are looking good to me here.

 

My second component would be customizing the defense for the opponent.  Even down to specific plays.  I haven't seen much change here, and we've seen some attempts at man coverage, but we would really need Hairston at a minimum for that, IMO.  But given the unsettled status of the D, I think that is why we are playing such soft zones and unimaginative pass rush again.

 

Maybe coming off the bye, but I think around our 10th game (Tampa) will be where they start creatively tasking the defense.  Which means we may play infuriating D against KC and take a lot of fan grief for it, but I'd rather play vanilla and save it for the playoffs.  Mahomes is still very good but IMO has lost his elite quick-decision-making edge and I think we can take them in Jan/Feb this year if the D comes together. 

 

To the bolded, I'm pretty sure the Bills are doing a lot of self-scouting and testing of various strategies, tactics and personnel.

 

I believe that's why the margins of victory have been what they've been the last two weeks... because the team recognizes that this part of the schedule gives them a little leeway to test out different approaches and players.

 

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

Defensive coaching improvement is going to be a tough one early in the season, I think we have to be patient and look closely right now.

Sean already said to start the year the defense will be a work in progress due to new and inexperienced players.  So I think they would try and keep his system as simple as possible now, until the unit starts to come together.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/sean-mcdermott-explains-bills-curious-personnel-decisions-in-week-4-vs-saints

“Just looking at different players,” said McDermott, explaining why Codrington did not play. “Seeing how the game day roster looks with different players up, different players down. With the goal of making sure we have our best guys out there as we head down the road here.”

 

 

On Strong getting playing time:  “Just looking at a young player,” explained McDermott. “Giving him some experience and some valuable reps. It wasn’t anything that Tre didn’t do. That was the plan going into the game.”

 

This is new to me and exactly what I want to see from him with the defense.  I don't want incompetent players being given minutes, but if Hairston and/or Hancock are doing well enough in practice, I hope they get the same treatment.  Push their development because they could really help the team, especially in an injury situation.  So signs are looking good to me here.

 

My second component would be customizing the defense for the opponent.  Even down to specific plays.  I haven't seen much change here, and we've seen some attempts at man coverage, but we would really need Hairston at a minimum for that, IMO.  But given the unsettled status of the D, I think that is why we are playing such soft zones and unimaginative pass rush again.

 

Maybe coming off the bye, but I think around our 10th game (Tampa) will be where they start creatively tasking the defense.  Which means we may play infuriating D against KC and take a lot of fan grief for it, but I'd rather play vanilla and save it for the playoffs.  Mahomes is still very good but IMO has lost his elite quick-decision-making edge and I think we can take them in Jan/Feb this year if the D comes together. 

 

 

The bottom line is the Bills are winning and are sitting at 4 and 0 on top of the AFC and there is room for optimism that they have not peaked and there is certainly room for growth.

There have been some frustrating inconsistencies and missed opportunities to take control of some games that have you on the edge of your seat as a fan just begging them to put that team away. The defense did keep the Saints bottled up and off the score sheet during that 2nd qtr. offensive lull so there have been some flashes. Shaq Thompson has looked solid at LB.

Special Teams felt like they struggled a bit with penalties, poor punts, and poor punt returns/field position which made it seem like the field was tilted our way for a long stretch and we were playing too much in the shadow of our own EZ. We are usually pretty solid when it comes to managing and flipping field position in our favor.

I think OBD may be considering Codrington as a replaceable piece, but I have to admit that I like having him as a returner. I feel like he has really settled that role that had been a bit of an adventure in seasons past, but certainly a luxury if that is all he does on the team. I have heard speculation that they are looking ahead at freeing up spots, and perhaps they are also giving some visibility to Curtis Samuel to boost trade value?

Teams realize that the Bills were struggling getting set on D and as predicted the Saints went with quick snaps and no huddles to take advantage of that and it worked a few times, and we saw McDermott having to burn a few timeouts to get things settled. It seemed like his adjustments were effective so that is good. On at least one occasion I think McD had a good point that the Refs were not allowing the defense the time to match an offensive substitution. This reinforces my general impression that we had the "F" grade officials for this game.

 

Per NFL Rules: if the offense substitutes one or more players, the defense is allowed a reasonable opportunity to substitute as well.

Referee responsibility: The officials — particularly the umpire — will stand over the ball to prevent a quick snap until the defense has had a fair chance to respond. I think this was what had McDermott hopping mad is that they were not waiting for the Bills defensive substitutions and preventing the quick snap.

"No huddle" or "tempo" offenses: If the offense does not substitute, they can snap the ball quickly, and the defense must be ready without delay.

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

4 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Cook and the OL were phenomenal,  Cook is easily a top 5 back I'd say

Cook is playing like prime Jamaal Charles lite 

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Defensive coaching improvement is going to be a tough one early in the season, I think we have to be patient and look closely right now.

Sean already said to start the year the defense will be a work in progress due to new and inexperienced players.  So I think they would try and keep his system as simple as possible now, until the unit starts to come together.

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/sean-mcdermott-explains-bills-curious-personnel-decisions-in-week-4-vs-saints

“Just looking at different players,” said McDermott, explaining why Codrington did not play. “Seeing how the game day roster looks with different players up, different players down. With the goal of making sure we have our best guys out there as we head down the road here.”

 

 

On Strong getting playing time:  “Just looking at a young player,” explained McDermott. “Giving him some experience and some valuable reps. It wasn’t anything that Tre didn’t do. That was the plan going into the game.”

 

This is new to me and exactly what I want to see from him with the defense.  I don't want incompetent players being given minutes, but if Hairston and/or Hancock are doing well enough in practice, I hope they get the same treatment.  Push their development because they could really help the team, especially in an injury situation.  So signs are looking good to me here.

 

My second component would be customizing the defense for the opponent.  Even down to specific plays.  I haven't seen much change here, and we've seen some attempts at man coverage, but we would really need Hairston at a minimum for that, IMO.  But given the unsettled status of the D, I think that is why we are playing such soft zones and unimaginative pass rush again.

 

Maybe coming off the bye, but I think around our 10th game (Tampa) will be where they start creatively tasking the defense.  Which means we may play infuriating D against KC and take a lot of fan grief for it, but I'd rather play vanilla and save it for the playoffs.  Mahomes is still very good but IMO has lost his elite quick-decision-making edge and I think we can take them in Jan/Feb this year if the D comes together. 

 

 

 

Tre has made some solid open field tackles, but we know what we have in him at this stage when it comes to his coverage. I was glad to see they had a plan to work some reps in for Strong. We need that depth at corner and we need these young guys we brought in to get repped enough so they can step in when and if they are needed to start some games.




 

[2003Contenders]

6 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I thought Josh got impatient halfway through the game and killed two drives tbh not trying to blame him for anything at all as even the very best qbs aren’t perfect but that was another game where the easy stuff was working well and we abandoned it for a brief time for pretty much no reason 

 

felt like we were using the saints to practice some things thinking the game was in hand tbh lol 

I agree -- and I'll even take it a step farther.

 

Those first two drives seemed so effortless for the Bills that I think Josh (and perhaps Brady) started taking the Saints defense for granted and playing in almost complacent fashion. Josh started holding the ball too long, which was not wise given the struggles our backup RT started having in the 2nd quarter. I started noticing this on the play immediately BEFORE the INT, which was a "cute" attempt by Josh to toss a lollypop "touch" pass that should have been an easy completion if he just fires the ball to a wide open Kincaid instead of allowing the rookie DB to recover and make the play. The INT itself was poorly advised, throwing into double coverage. 

 

On the very next series, no one mentions the pass that SHOULD have been intercepted but was fortunately dropped. That was set up by Josh, again, holding the ball too long and allowing the DE (I think it was Jordan) to get past RVD and interrupt Josh's delivery of the ball. It didn't seem like he felt that backside pressure (unusual for him).

 

Not complaining about Josh, of course, as he played much better in the 2nd half after looking all world in the 1st quarter. But I am sure that there is plenty in that 2nd quarter that he and the coaching staff will want to address via film review.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

 

And this is what I was discussing yesterday but in regards to Allen's downfield passing ability. I don't know what it is, but it's not very good. It's really never been great, despite the massive arm, but we're either missing the horses, or the timing is never there. 

 

I know the short passing & run game was working, but we SHOULD be able to open up the passing game beyond that. Being so successful running the ball & killing people underneath eventually makes defenses have to play up to stop that, so we need to be able to take advantage of the opportunities that opens up. 

 

It's not going to ruin us for now, but I hope they work things out in practice & make those plays a more successful part of their arsenal. If they do, they'll be able to put away teams a lot earlier. 

 

This just isn’t true.  If the opponents stay in a cover 2 shell - for example last week Miami ran that about 80% of the time per cover 1 - then the running doesn’t open up the deep pass.  They refused to adjust so we just kept taking the gains.

 

Running opens up the deep pass if the opponent decides to bring safeties down to stop the run, but teams are more afraid of Josh beating them deep and or hitting 15-25 yard passes than forcing the Bills to take the runs and passes and move down the field in small chunks.  In the 80s and 90s teams made that adjustment all the time - now teams like the Bills don’t care if you move the ball slowly - they figure you will make a mistake before us.

 

We will see once the all 22 gets reviewed, but it looks like the Bills tried a few deep shots that killed their drives when just taking the underneath stuff was working.  

 

The Int was a perfect throw - the timing and angle was great, but the defense allowed a safety to get there right at the mesh point and make the pick.  The only way it will be successful is if the Bills keep it up and teams decide they have to press the short areas.  They it opens up windows behind, but that has been very rare so far.

 

I don’t think they need a lot of work - they need teams to try something different.  If the Past Josh wasn’t patient and this defense worked.  Just go back to the KC game I the playoffs in Buffalo 2 years ago.  Just before the missed kick - Josh had Diggs open for a first down and didn’t take it.  He held it 3 beats longer tried to fit it into the endzone and Jones got enough pressure to kill it.  
 

He and the offense is at their best taking what is there and being patient and when a team like KC comes up - they need to keep doing it.  The big plays come when you get Spags to blitz and they cover down - that seems to be when guys like Knox sneak through for he big gains.

 

 

[Big Turk]

Bosa with another forced fumble...that final play on 4th down where Rattler fumbled was from Bosa reaching in and knocking the ball out as he went by, not from Epenesa who was closing in from the other side.