Billsfanatic8989 Posted September 22 Posted September 22 17 hours ago, T.E. said: Does Sean McDermott get credit over Daboll (and even Dorsey) for developing Josh Allen? Are we going with that narrative now? Both should get credit 2 Quote
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted September 22 Posted September 22 The premise of this thread is completely invalid. There is no way McDermott is a top 5 coach 2 Quote
Sierra Foothills Posted September 22 Posted September 22 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Oh yeah, AI definitely is never flawed or get things wrong lol It doesn’t get team names or spellings of last names wrong. 1 Quote
DrBob806 Posted September 22 Posted September 22 Uh, no. Jim Harbaugh was winless vs tOSU until the cheating saga fyi. More importantly, he coaches basic fundamentals to death and basically changed the attitude of the roster he inherited. I can't stand him, but he's a great coach. Andy Reid is a genius. You must have been high or hungover. It's ok lol. Uh, no. Jim Harbaugh was winless vs tOSU until the cheating saga fyi. More importantly, he coaches basic fundamentals to death and basically changed the attitude of the roster he inherited. I can't stand him, but he's a great coach. Andy Reid is a genius. You must have been high or hungover. It's ok lol. Uh, no. Jim Harbaugh was winless vs tOSU until the cheating saga fyi. More importantly, he coaches basic fundamentals to death and basically changed the attitude of the roster he inherited. I can't stand him, but he's a great coach. Andy Reid is a genius. You must have been high or hungover. It's ok lol. Quote
RobbRiddick Posted September 22 Posted September 22 21 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Winning a few games isn’t enough anymore. A good HC coach need to elevate the play of his roster as well as Lombardis. All of the league’s top ten winningest coaches ought to be replaced. 1. Nick Sirianni – Philadelphia Eagles Regular Season Win Percentage: .709 Why He Should Be Fired: Inherited a Howie Roseman-built juggernaut and rode the “tush push” and good coordinators to NFC glory in 2022 and NFL glory in 2024. Sirianni is just along for the ride. 2. Jim Harbaugh – San Diego Chargers Regular Season Win Percentage: .679 Why He Should Be Fired: A coaching throwback. Pushes a 1960s run-first philosophy when his most talented offensive player is his QB. Militaristic, combative, rigid, not a player’s coach. Doesn’t adapt to the strengths and shortcomings of his roster; makes them adapt to him. Was a good college coach but his techniques don’t transfer to the pros; he could beat Ohio State but can’t beat Mahomes. 3. Matt Lefluer – Green Bay Packers Regular Season Win Percentage: .655 Why He Should Be Fired: Can’t win games that matter. Last season the Packers went 0–6 against top NFC teams, including two losses each to the Lions, Vikings, and Eagles. Likewise, has a losing record in the playoffs. 4. Andy Reid – Kansas City Chiefs Regular Season Win Percentage: .646 Why He Should Be Fired: Took 21 years to win his first Lombardi. If he were any good, it would have happened sooner. Only started winning trophies when Mahomes and Spags showed up. His clock management is a national joke and his walrus-like visage and sideline demeanor inspire more memes than confidence. 5. Sean McDermott – Buffalo Bills Regular Season Win Percentage: .646 Why He Should Be Fired: Never mind that he rebuilt a laughingstock franchise, developed Josh Allen, and made the playoffs six of seven years. The combination of 13 seconds and zero Lombardis, despite having a generational talent under center, ought to send him packing. 6. Kevin O’Connell – Minnesota Vikings Regular Season Win Percentage: .636 Why He Should Be Fired: No passion, can’t build a defensive coaching staff, poor clock management, poor 4th down calls, early playoff exits, a tendency to lose primetime games and games against division rivals… the list goes on and on. A nice guy coaching to be fired. 7. Mike Tomlin – Pittsburgh Steelers Regular Season Win Percentage: .617 Why He Should Be Fired: Hasn’t won a playoff game since 2016. His loyalty to Matt Canada was borderline criminal. Steelers fans are rightly tired of wild-card exits and offensive impotence. 8. John Harbaugh – Baltimore Ravens Regular Season Win Percentage: .616 Why He Should Be Fired: Improbable fourth-quarter collapses are his trademark. Most recently, blew a 15-point lead to the Bills late in the 4th despite having the better roster. One ring in 17 seasons speaks of luck, not skill. Lamar Jackson’s prime is being wasted on Harbaugh’s stubborn loyalty to underperforming coordinators. 9. Sean McVay – Los Angeles Rams Regular Season Win Percentage: .612 Why He Should Be Fired: Won a Super Bowl with a rented roster and Aaron Donald then went 5-12 the following season. Only as good as his roster. Adds nothing. He’s supposed to be an offensive genius but only managed to put up 3 points in his first SB appearance and didn’t exactly light it up in his second. 10. Sean Payton – Denver Broncos Regular Season Win Percentage: .610 Why He Should Be Fired: He only managed to drive a Ferrari named Brees to the SB once and produced a playoff win record only a smidge above .500 thanks in large part to bottom-10 defenses. His playoff woes continue with the Broncos with only one appearance in two years, a 31-7 loss to the Bills. The Broncos didn’t need a legacy hire—they need a coach who can win in the AFC West. Payton’s not that guy. The Harbaugh's parents need to be fired for giving their kids such unimaginative names. Imagine if these guys were called Boomer and Bam Bam, this list would look so much more interesting 1 2 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted September 22 Author Posted September 22 20 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: Everyone relax, the OP is just trolling Trolling? I'd say I'm using satire to make the point that even successful head coaches are flawed. If you look critically, there are reasons to fire all of them. When a pickpocket walks down the street, all he sees is pockets. When a McD hater watches football, all he sees are additional reasons to fire McD. Confirmation bias is a b*tch. Which is not to say McD doesn't deserve criticism or doesn't have room to grow. He does. But I'll take a coach with a solid winning percentage over lots of bad other options. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said: Trolling? I'd say I'm using satire to make the point that even successful head coaches are flawed. If you look critically, there are reasons to fire all of them. When a pickpocket walks down the street, all he sees is pockets. When a McD hater watches football, all he sees are additional reasons to fire McD. Confirmation bias is a b*tch. Which is not to say McD doesn't deserve criticism or doesn't have room to grow. He does. But I'll take a coach with a solid winning percentage over lots of bad other options. There is legitimately 0 objective reason to fire Sirianni right now, the defending SB championship HC, whose team hasn't lost a game his QB has started and finished since 9/29/24. Confirmation bias is a b*tch indeed. Quote
The Frankish Reich Posted September 22 Posted September 22 22 hours ago, T.E. said: a defensive coach who watched a QB competition between Josh Allen and Nathan Peterman for a full summer, only to ultimately select Peterman as his starter This actually did happen. Thank you for the reminder! I suspect it is on Peterman's resume: "Won NFL starting QB job in a 3-way competition with former BCS Championship QB AJ McCarron and future NFL MVP Josh Allen." [Yeah, I know there were other reasons, but still ... it is true] Quote
hondo in seattle Posted September 22 Author Posted September 22 Just now, FireChans said: There is legitimately 0 objective reason to fire Sirianni right now, the defending SB championship HC, whose team hasn't lost a game his QB has started and finished since 9/29/24. Confirmation bias is a b*tch indeed. It's always hard to be critical of the reigning Super Bowl champ. I did the best I could. But someday the Sirianni honeymoon will end. The list of coaches who got fired AFTER winning Super Bowls includes Tom Landry, Jon Gruden, Doug Peterson, Mike Shanahan, and Pete Carroll. It wouldn't surprise me if Sirianni joined this list someday. They don't call it the Not For Long league for nothin'. In any case, I'm not in fact advocating that any of these coaches be fired. That's kind of how satire works. Without being too specific, I generally believe that if you have a winning coach, you keep him. Yet virtually all the coaches on this list have hometown fans who want their heads. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted September 22 Posted September 22 35 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: It's always hard to be critical of the reigning Super Bowl champ. I did the best I could. But someday the Sirianni honeymoon will end. The list of coaches who got fired AFTER winning Super Bowls includes Tom Landry, Jon Gruden, Doug Peterson, Mike Shanahan, and Pete Carroll. It wouldn't surprise me if Sirianni joined this list someday. They don't call it the Not For Long league for nothin'. In any case, I'm not in fact advocating that any of these coaches be fired. That's kind of how satire works. Without being too specific, I generally believe that if you have a winning coach, you keep him. Yet virtually all the coaches on this list have hometown fans who want their heads. I know I know, it's just those unreasonable Bills fans who think that's McD achieving the same pinnacle of success that Rex Ryan did with Mark Sanchez is disappointing. Quote
Augie Posted September 22 Posted September 22 3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: It doesn’t get team names or spellings of last names wrong. That sounds like one of us. Just sayin’. Just now, FireChans said: I know I know, it's just those unreasonable Bills fans who think that's McD achieving the same pinnacle of success that Rex Ryan did with Mark Sanchez is disappointing. Actually, I was hoping we could follow in the footsteps of the immortal Barry Switzer, as long as we are going with the Flukey History category. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted September 22 Posted September 22 3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: The Harbaugh's parents need to be fired for giving their kids such unimaginative names. Imagine if these guys were called Boomer and Bam Bam, this list would look so much more interesting Dad is named Jack Mom is named Jackie so they werent really working with a lot to begin with... But they are a great family. (Trivia: Legendary coach Jack Harbaugh played professional football after being drafted in the 1961 AFL draft to... The Buffalo Bills) 1 1 Quote
machine gun kelly Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Dan Darragh said: Everyone relax, the OP is just trolling DD, he was kidding and making a point. Hey, you’re a solid Bills fan, and well known on the board. Hondo can be salty at times, but he made a point. Even the best of coaches has flaws. To me this a more measured approach is what he’s trying to say. That’s my guess. 1 Quote
Augie Posted September 22 Posted September 22 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Dad is named Jack Mom is named Jackie so they werent really working with a lot to begin with... But they are a great family. (Trivia: Legendary coach Jack Harbaugh played professional football after being drafted in the 1961 AFL draft to... The Buffalo Bills) Jack Kemp’s wife was Judy, I think, and his son was Jeff. I think he had a J sister or two as well. That could be off, just an odd recollection. Bonus Trivia: Which NFL QB missed 3 games because he broke his hand punching Jim Kelly in the head? AI Overview In 1997, while quarterbacking for the Indianapolis Colts, Jim Harbaugh punched former Buffalo Bills quarterback Jim Kelly, fracturing a bone in Harbaugh's own throwing hand. The incident occurred after Kelly publicly questioned Harbaugh's toughness, leading Harbaugh to confront Kelly at an NBC production meeting. The fight resulted in a broken hand for Harbaugh, costing him the Colts' next three games and three paychecks. Harbaugh later expressed regret for throwing the punch but said he acted to defend his toughness. Quote
Dan Darragh Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) 14 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Trolling? I'd say I'm using satire to make the point That's what I call trolling. I do it all the time. 12 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: DD, he was kidding and making a point. That's ALSO what I call trolling. I do it all the time. Edited September 23 by Dan Darragh Quote
machine gun kelly Posted September 23 Posted September 23 13 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: That's what I call trolling. I do it all the time. That's ALSO what I call trolling. I do it all the time. DD I didn’t think of that as trolling. Tome trolling is a hidden Fins, Jet’s, or any other team fan who pretends to be a Bills fan, but really is passive aggressive and tries to create doubt in our fans about our team. It’s a waste of time as these guys reveal themselves pretty quick and our loyal fan base figures them out. It doesn’t matter. I think Hondo is a realBills fan who was probably sick of all the looking at the glass half empty for every single, and are in the McD haters club. They have every right to state however they feel about their team, but it’s a depressing way to go through life. I appreciate pragmatic fans who’s the good and bad and place into context. Bottom line is to each his own. 1 Quote
Dan Darragh Posted September 23 Posted September 23 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: DD I didn’t think of that as trolling. Tome trolling is a hidden Fins, Jet’s, or any other team fan who pretends to be a Bills fan, but really is passive aggressive and tries to create doubt in our fans about our team. It’s a waste of time as these guys reveal themselves pretty quick and our loyal fan base figures them out. It doesn’t matter. I think Hondo is a realBills fan who was probably sick of all the looking at the glass half empty for every single, and are in the McD haters club. They have every right to state however they feel about their team, but it’s a depressing way to go through life. I appreciate pragmatic fans who’s the good and bad and place into context. Bottom line is to each his own. That's too specific. Trolling is saying something that you know is provocative with the hope of getting amusing overreactions from others. Doesn't mean I think he's not a genuine Bills fan. A genuine Bills fan can still have fun with the overreactors on this board. 2 Quote
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