3 up 3 down

[JP51]

14 minutes ago, wjag said:

3 UP

1. Hawes

2. Moore

3. Walker

 

3 DOWN

1. Entire No sack D-Line

2. Special Teams

3. Tre

Like the Moore thing, he made a few big and clutch plays for sure...  Special teams is another... we are just not real good at kick coverage... Prater gets a pass mis hit kick... he makes a habit out of it and then I have an issue... nice 48 yrder at the end of the game to seal it. 

33 minutes ago, 947 said:

So much of how badly our CBs were beat is on McD's scheme. We played Tre waaay off of Waddle most of the time, even when they were inside the 5yd line. I know McD does it to avoid getting beaten deep, but Miami will just complete a short pass every time & run for another 10+. Soft Zone & Off-Man are exactly what Miami wants you to play against them. McD seems to be the only person who can't comprehend this.

This is interesting, one thing I have always said, worry less about the big play and make more stops... You got Josh on the other side... chill... stop with the death from a thousand paper cuts defense...  stop em or get beat every now and again... but put 17 on the field.... 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I think you guys are too hard on the D Line. They got pressure all night, just didn’t finish the job and get the sacks. Not ideal, but it’s not like Tua had all day to throw. He scrambled out of pressure numerous times. 

[uticaclub]

UPS;

 

Walker

Bernard

Bosa

 

DOWNS;

3rd Down Defense

Tre White seeing the field

Pass Rush

5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I think you guys are too hard on the D Line. They got pressure all night, just didn’t finish the job and get the sacks. Not ideal, but it’s not like Tua had all day to throw. He scrambled out of pressure numerous times. 

Tua isn’t a scrambler, doing that to our defense is a really bad sign

Edited September 19 by uticaclub

[Mojo44]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

UPS;

 

Walker

Bernard

Bosa

 

DOWNS;

3rd Down Defense

Tre White seeing the field

Pass Rush

Tua isn’t a scrambler, doing that to our defense is a really bad sign

Tua is indeed a scrambler and a pretty good one at that. He just isn’t a runner. Big difference.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 UP

1. Torrence. Guy has been an absolute beast this year so far. By far the best start to a season for him.

2. Kincaid. Remember this last off-season people were willing to see him traded for a 4th or 5th rounder. He's healthy now. See the difference?

3. E. Moore. While not a dominant factor play by play the Bills seem to have a package of plays to get him the ball. He's carving a role much like Worthy's in KC.

 

3 DOWN

 

1. Ray Davis. He's been unimpressive since TC. Last night he didn't record a single official touch and was vastly out snapped by Ty.

 

2. Codrington. Had a fumble and another questionable diving grab of a punt. He's made at least 1 poor decision a game. Would not shock me to see him gone when they need more roster spots.

 

3. Palmer. Had 1 short catch late. Other than that zero impact against a team down to Pop Warner guys at CB.

[transplantbillsfan]

Disagree about Keon. Liked his play. His "drop" was a tough catch and with a defender pulling his arm.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

12 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

 

Tua isn’t a scrambler, doing that to our defense is a really bad sign

I don’t disagree with this. I guess my issue is people saying the D Line didn’t Pressure him. They did. I think letting him escape was the real issue, which I think is a different problem. 

[BillsDad51]

FWIW: In his post-game report this a.m., Joe Buscaglia reported Groot has a bone bruise on one knee since Ravens game.

[Mojo44]

11 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I don’t disagree with this. I guess my issue is people saying the D Line didn’t Pressure him. They did. I think letting him escape was the real issue, which I think is a different problem. 

I really don’t understand this. Tua is absolutely a very good scrambler. He is extremely mobile in the pocket. The bills did pressure him and didn’t get to him. I don’t see a big problem at all with this.
It’s time to start giving the dolphins some credit. This game was essentially their season. They played their asses off. It wasn’t all the bills playing badly.

[JP51]

28 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

3 UP

1. Torrence. Guy has been an absolute beast this year so far. By far the best start to a season for him.

2. Kincaid. Remember this last off-season people were willing to see him traded for a 4th or 5th rounder. He's healthy now. See the difference?

3. E. Moore. While not a dominant factor play by play the Bills seem to have a package of plays to get him the ball. He's carving a role much like Worthy's in KC.

 

3 DOWN

 

1. Ray Davis. He's been unimpressive since TC. Last night he didn't record a single official touch and was vastly out snapped by Ty.

 

2. Codrington. Had a fumble and another questionable diving grab of a punt. He's made at least 1 poor decision a game. Would not shock me to see him gone when they need more roster spots.

 

3. Palmer. Had 1 short catch late. Other than that zero impact against a team down to Pop Warner guys at CB.

Kinda Love your shout out to Torrence... and Ray Ray has not at all been impressive... Palmer, sneakily was pretty invisible... I am debating if it was the game plan or the egg.... like we really didnt throw much down field... was that the plan... or was that a result... 

7 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

I really don’t understand this. Tua is absolutely a very good scrambler. He is extremely mobile in the pocket. The bills did pressure him and didn’t get to him. I don’t see a big problem at all with this.
It’s time to start giving the dolphins some credit. This game was essentially their season. They played their asses off. It wasn’t all the bills playing badly.

Dolphins do deserve some real gusty credit... for sure. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

10 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

I really don’t understand this. Tua is absolutely a very good scrambler. He is extremely mobile in the pocket. The bills did pressure him and didn’t get to him. I don’t see a big problem at all with this.
It’s time to start giving the dolphins some credit. This game was essentially their season. They played their asses off. It wasn’t all the bills playing badly.

I agree with this. Tua made plays. 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

The other thing I would say in defense of Tre but really the secondary, the pass rush was legitimately non existant....  I dont know if that was the 2ndary being really bad, but what i saw was that tua had a ton of time back there... 

 

Tua when his timing is right and the game is close to where they don't have to drop back every snap he's insanely hard to sack. Tua reads the plays well and has a super quick release.

[TheBrownBear]

2 hours ago, JP51 said:

I think this is true... you literally need to give them space or they will kill you down field... but tre was about 15 yards away on multiple occasions not sure if that is speed or cutting ability... I am hoping he is still recovering and his ability to react will get better. 

Tre didn't look as bad to me as people are saying. He didn't really stand a chance on most of those quick timing throws.  I think we were just paying them a ton of respect and didn't want to lose the game on a big play, but suffered a death by a thousand cuts on a couple of those drives. Reminded me of the Bengals playoff game. 

 

Though, like you allude to, it does raise the question whether they schemed that way because Tre stood even less of a chance if they put him closer to the LOS.

[Walking Tall]

UP:

 

Kincaid- looked like we hoped he would look.

Shavers- couple catches and effective blocking.

Linebackers- some physical play from Williams and Thompson. Of course the big play from Bernard.

 

DOWN:

 

Rousseau- I know he’s French but I didn’t expect him to surrender so fast.

White- not his fault but it is what it is.

Knox- overpaid for so little to no production. That coming off a two drop performance against the Jets. 

Edited September 19 by Walking Tall

[Dillenger4]

UP

 

COOK.

Kincaid.

Moore.

 

Down.

 

Tre White - I mean cmon with the "I hope" stuff. He is cooked. Cut him.

Benford - played like a civ.

[BigAl2526]

If I remember correctly, Kincaid and Knox also dropped passes in the game.  It's true that a potential catch for a touchdown is pretty crucial, but all drops can be potential somewhat important.

[Best Williams Available]

4 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Maxwell Hairston, perhaps?

Yes but at the expense of solid tackling in the run game. Can’t have everything (although Benford does both well).

[Rochesterfan]

3 hours ago, 947 said:

So much of how badly our CBs were beat is on McD's scheme. We played Tre waaay off of Waddle most of the time, even when they were inside the 5yd line. I know McD does it to avoid getting beaten deep, but Miami will just complete a short pass every time & run for another 10+. Soft Zone & Off-Man are exactly what Miami wants you to play against them. McD seems to be the only person who can't comprehend this.

 

You mean the coach that has over a .900 win % against McDaniel?  The big loss being the heat game.  
 

That coach of the team that has treated the Dolphins like a son and made McDaniel literally speechless on how to beat the Bills.

 

Yep you’re right he doesn’t know what he is doing.

 

My god we have some winning thoughts around here.

 

🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Edited September 19 by Rochesterfan

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

You mean the coach that has like a .900 win % against McDaniel?  The big loss being the heat game.  
 

That coach of the team that has treated the Dolphins like a son and made McDaniel literally speechless on how to beat the Bills.

 

Yep you’re right he doesn’t know what he is doing.

 

My god we have some winning thoughts around here.

 

🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

Reading the post you quoted made me wonder how much the Dolphins decided to win by. 

[No_Matter_What]

3 hours ago, JohnNord said:

First off the pass rush sucked all night.  They didn’t get close to an immobile QB against a bad offensive line.  Ironically they performed better against a mobile QB and a decent OL the week before.  I’m hoping the potential is there and I do think Ed Oliver will help.  
 

Tre White was horrible.  Babich made the perfect call with a corner blitz on Tua.  Tre had him dead to rights and just whiffed.  Plus whenever Tua needed a completion he looked to Waddle in 1V1 coverage against Tre.  At this point, I think they look to work in Strong and eventually Harrison.  
 

TJ Sanders looks like a mix between Boogie Basham and DeWayne Carter.  That’s not good.  He might as well be the invisible man 

 

He also missed a sack on Tua on 3rd down which would have given Buffalo the ball back before the half.  That could have changed the game.  Tre didn’t play well

Disagree on pass rush. I just finished defensive All-22. They didn't suck. They created a lot of pressure, but Tua either threw it too quickly to matter or he scrambled and Hill/Waddle made plays.

 

Strongly disagree on Sanders. He was good to very good. He made some pressures, and he was double teamed almost every snap. Granted, he is not Ed Oliver, but he played well for a rookie. It just wasn't that easy to see live.

 

Agree on Tre. That missed sack on 3&12 was brutal and changed the flow of the game. Should've been third punt in a row for the Dolphins and chance for double dip for the Bills, and instead of that Dolphins had a lengthy drive and tied the game.

 

Other notes - to me Daquan Jones was really good and created lot of pressure. Groot was MUCH better than people give him credit for. He set the edge as always and created at least 3 big pressures, and it's not his fault that Tua/Waddle/Hills made plays. Even AJE had some plays, whole dline just didn't finish. As for others, everyone seemed to have good moments and bad ones. For example Thompson was mostly good and gets a lot of praise here, but he badly missed a tackle for loss which lead to 16y Gordon run (on Dolphins 2nd half TD drive).

 

Had White finished his sack, it'd become a blowout.