Do The Bills Have A Passing Game Problem?

[oldmanfan]

35 minutes ago, Jalan81 said:

Can you name 3 or 4 plays we can count on to get us 3-5 yards consistently? Is there any play we do so well we can confidently pull it out in the playoffs against a good team when most needed? I don’t see any creativity on Brady’s part to achieve this. Our qb sneak has fizzled, it’s not a tush push as nobody pushes Allen like the Eagles push Hurts and we no longer replicate their results. Josh covers for the inept passing concepts that Brady has employed. 

I don’t understand.  You want a play or two that will consistently yield 3-5 yards then bring up tush push that is designed to get a yard? 

[Big Turk]

Personally I just don't think the Bills feel they need to do a lot to beat 2 of the teams they just played in division so they haven't shown much.

[Magox]

 

It's beyond silly hearing people bash the Bills offense like it’s been some kind of disaster. If you’re one of those folks, — you’re just showing your lack of knowledge.

 

Let’s talk facts:

#1 in total offensive yards — that means we move the ball better than any other team in the league.

#2 in points Scored — our offense is putting up big time points on the board

#1 in not giving up turnovers — You may think it's boring, but this is how you win games.

#1 in 30+ points per game since last year in the league - meaning we are consistently beating the crap out of opposing defenses.

#2 in TIme of Possession - against the Ravens we had it for 34 minutes 49 seconds, against the Jets for 38 minutes and 21 seconds and against the Dolphins for 31:47 for an average of 34 minutes and 41 seconds. 

#3 Rushing attack in the league at 166 ypg

 

Red zone offense is at 71.43% which means we get to the Red zone and we are putting in the endzone.

 

Now let’s rewind to last season:

We were top 2 in scoring, top 5 in yards, and top 5 in third-down conversions.

Josh Allen was top 3 in total touchdowns.

We had one of the most balanced and explosive offenses in the NFL.

 

So when people infer the offense is boring or the receivers don't get "separation"  - all I hear is - "I don't know jack squat about what a successful football team looks like"  it’s just lazy talk. I think some of you would prefer a team like the Bengals who throws the ball 40 times a game to WR's.    How did that work out for them last year?   You’re ignoring the numbers and reacting emotionally. 

 

Bottom line: this offense is elite. 

Edited September 19 by Magox

[Jalan81]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I don’t understand.  You want a play or two that will consistently yield 3-5 yards then bring up tush push that is designed to get a yard? 

We have more than one problem, not sure if that’s hard to understand or not? We now struggle on short yardage 1 yard or so, we also can’t get it done on short yardage plays with consistency, especially in the playoffs. Didn’t think that was a difficult concept, but I’m here to be corrected.

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Jalan81 said:

We have more than one problem, not sure if that’s hard to understand or not? We now struggle on short yardage 1 yard or so, we also can’t get it done on short yardage plays with consistency, especially in the playoffs. Didn’t think that was a difficult concept, but I’m here to be corrected.

Use some logic.  Is there a specific play that will get a given amount of yards every time?  Probably not because it would depend on the specific defensive set on a given play.  This isn’t the 60’s with the power sweep against basic 4-3 defenses anymore.

Edited September 19 by oldmanfan

[jcamm1966]

9 hours ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

Yes. QB has a noodle arm and bad mechanics. 0, 5, 10, 86 would barely see the field on any other team in the league, and the OC is the weirdest HC candidate ever. Bad team, bad mojo, bad season on the way. SMH.

3 and 0

[Magox]

 

[Jalan81]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Use some logic.  Is there a specific play that will get a given amount of yards every time?  Probably not because it would depend on the specific defensive set on a given play.  This isn’t the 60’s with the power sweep against basic 4-3 defenses anymore.

Thats why I have said we need to have 3 or 4 plays that would be go to depending on circumstances. But that of course would require our receivers to stop dropping easy catches at the most in opportune times . 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Yes. I don't think these receivers can get open down the field on the outside. They are scheming around that weakness pretty well and while they didn't call many deep shots today (think just two) the ones they did Josh came off - even with time - and went underneath. That tells you there was nothing open.

Were you able to see if the Dolphins were in a Cover 2 or 3?  This is Mahomes problem I believe with the deep ball…that defense.  Mel Kiper wanted to ban this defense lol.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Jalan81 said:

Thats why I have said we need to have 3 or 4 plays that would be go to depending on circumstances. But that of course would require our receivers to stop dropping easy catches at the most in opportune times . 

Good point on catching the ball

[Don Otreply]

9 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

No

 

We want to play ball control

This is what it looks like

You are for the most part correct, the “lull” moments in moving the ball were primarily a play calling issue, it became predictable, that is where the break downs occurred. 

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

if you listen to allens press conference he essentially says this exact things.  There is no reason to take risks and put the ball in harms way when you are playing a team that will make critical mistakes.

 

 

[Thrivefourfive]

Let’s be honest, our biggest play downfield is defensive pass inference. That all we have. But nothing to see here. Brady is god. 

[MJS]

9 hours ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

Yes. QB has a noodle arm and bad mechanics. 0, 5, 10, 86 would barely see the field on any other team in the league, and the OC is the weirdest HC candidate ever. Bad team, bad mojo, bad season on the way. SMH.

What?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I think in a game where the oppositions best 3 defensive players are all defensive linemen, you get the ball out quick.  The jets had some better DBs, but another defensive line that has given us some problems.  Running allows your linemen to play in more of an attack mindset.  Same with all of that quick stuff to the sideline, less protection, more hitting.  

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

You are for the most part correct, the “lull” moments in moving the ball were primarily a play calling issue, it became predictable, that is where the break downs occurred. 

 

Execution too.  Missed blocks.  Drops.  The keon sideline to me was a poor throw, probably still should have had it, but that ball shoudl have been higher and more outside.  

[nucci]

Allen doesn't commit turnovers like early in his career. That's most important

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

if you listen to allens press conference he essentially says this exact things. 

 

Over the years I have learned to not get as frustrated about fans behaviors, typically they are very emotional and irrational, but to criticize the #1 offense in the league in many metrics, a team that wins, a team that is balanced, a team that doesn't turn it over, a team that scores a lot, a team who is consistent whether its in the regular season or playoffs is just beyond stupid.

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, Magox said:

Sounds like the Tom Brady Patriots for so many years. Play mistake free football and wait for the other team to beat themselves. That's what it should be 90% of the time, and Allen and Cook can put on their capes the other 10% of the time and make explosive plays when needed.

Edited September 19 by MJS

[Buffalo4Life01]

It's like a lot of people here are not able to apply any context to the offensive game plan last night.  Miami was playing, for the most part, 2 high with a spy in the middle of the field.   They were happy to give up the short stuff all night and Allen gladly took what they gave.  Allen was patient and so was Brady.  They didn't press and force turnovers like they would have in years past.  This offense is showing it has the ability to adapt how it plays against any defense.  To me, this is very encouraging.  People need to RELAX!!

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Were you able to see if the Dolphins were in a Cover 2 or 3?  This is Mahomes problem I believe with the deep ball…that defense.  Mel Kiper wanted to ban this defense lol.

 

They played a fair amount of cover 2, but I didn't chart it play by play or anything.