Jackson Hawes is great

[billsfan89]

On 9/16/2025 at 2:30 PM, DC Greg said:

We’ll lose knox after this season for one year, then he’ll be back for the practice squad legend spot.

 

Knox is really close with Josh, I think people underestimate this when thinking Knox is gone next year. Yes the Bills won't be able to keep Knox at a 17 million dollar cap number and his dead cap charge is only 7 million. But given the relationship I think as long as Knox is willing to be reasonable with his deal he will be back for one more year. I think they probably could knock his cap number down to the 10ish million range and basically bring him back for one more year at around 3 million because they would already be sinking in 7 million on the dead cap charge. 

 

Just seems like if this 3 TE rotation is working and one of the guys is Josh's friend and a pretty good player but overpaid they could probably work out the overpaid part.

[3rdand12]

On 9/16/2025 at 2:32 PM, BullBuchanan said:

I don't think it really matters much what his snap count is for the purposes of determining a #1 or #2. If they had to get rid of one of Knox or Kincaid, it would definitely be Knox at this point. Him getting more snaps that Kincaid, is really down to Kincaid disappointing rather than Knox commanding reps.

the 3 of them are complimentary TEs' imho. Especially if Brady uses them to their strengths. And they all have a few

Let us not consider having to get rid of any of them this Season please.

 Love to see all three help the Bills win the regular/playoff/and SB together.

Next offseason we can talk again. Everything could change our opinions by then lol

[3rdand12]

17 hours ago, Rubes said:

I hope so. I get the sense that Brady loves having 3 versatile TEs (plus Gilliam), and I think we’ll start seeing some real creativity with these guys as the season goes on. I think it gives us a lot of ways to really effectively attack a defense.

There is the thing Rubes !😉

 Brady being the key here.

Pretty stoked about this Kids last year (yes I was ) and what we have seen this year so far.

Creativity and matchups win games ! So far so good

 Those four options are pretty darn strong as a whole room.

 

[Ralonzo]

 

 

I was thinking during the first couple games, attitudinally, who does Hawes remind me of and I'd have to say Incognito. Violent through the whistle and maybe a little beyond, then he's just walking back to the huddle. On the occasion the opponent takes exception and comes back at him, Hawes is ignoring him like just another buzzing fly.

[Don Otreply]

21 hours ago, Augie said:

I don’t like when the love/hate pendulum swings too far one way or the other. I can see him having a hat trick with a false start, a hold and a drop on Thursday before getting injured in a freak Zamboni accident. 

 

I’m just looking for some balance. 

Balance? We don’t need no stinking balance…, 

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Balance? We don’t need no stinking balance…, 

 

Sorry….new guy here…my bad….

[JP51]

On 9/15/2025 at 4:56 PM, billsfan89 said:

I wouldn't say Knox is disposable, what I like about Knox is that he adds physicality to the pass catchers something that the Bills don't have much of (many of the WR's esp Shakir run hard and to contact but Knox is a big strong dude plowing over people when he gets the ball) but Hawes adds a wrinkle to the offense that great teams add each year. Last year the Bills ran the 6th O-line player and it was confusing to teams because teams don't do that often. This year they added a quality blocking TE who can flex around as a FB too. Having 2 TE's in Hawes and Knox that can block well as well as Kincaid who is a respectable blocker and it is a tremendous amount of versatility. 

I would say Dawson has to catch the ball or he may find himself losing some playing time to this kid. 

[Nephilim17]

I like Knox a lot but his contract is nuts for his usage/production. Next year he has a $17 million cap hit with 7.4 million dead hit. I think he does a team-friendly extension/re-structure of his contract or is cut next year. You just can't pay a guy that much for 300 to maybe 500 yards tops in a 17-game season.

 

Edited September 18 by Nephilim17

[SCBills]

17 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Knox is really close with Josh, I think people underestimate this when thinking Knox is gone next year. Yes the Bills won't be able to keep Knox at a 17 million dollar cap number and his dead cap charge is only 7 million. But given the relationship I think as long as Knox is willing to be reasonable with his deal he will be back for one more year. I think they probably could knock his cap number down to the 10ish million range and basically bring him back for one more year at around 3 million because they would already be sinking in 7 million on the dead cap charge. 

 

Just seems like if this 3 TE rotation is working and one of the guys is Josh's friend and a pretty good player but overpaid they could probably work out the overpaid part.

I think Knox might be a Bills lifer.

 

I also think he and the team will work out a lower cap hit, and I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s here for multiple years beyond this year.  
 

Especially if this 3-TE thing keeps working. 

[Ya Digg?]

On 9/16/2025 at 9:20 PM, Augie said:

I don’t like when the love/hate pendulum swings too far one way or the other. I can see him having a hat trick with a false start, a hold and a drop on Thursday before getting injured in a freak Zamboni accident. 

 

I’m just looking for some balance. 

I swear, if this now happens, I'm going to be so pissed at you

[billsfan89]

9 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I would say Dawson has to catch the ball or he may find himself losing some playing time to this kid. 

 

Agreed but I think the Bills are interesting in running 3 TE sets and using Hawes as a fullback here or there. So there's plenty of versatility these guys offer. 

[billsfan89]

52 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I think Knox might be a Bills lifer.

 

I also think he and the team will work out a lower cap hit, and I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s here for multiple years beyond this year.  
 

Especially if this 3-TE thing keeps working. 

 

Hard to say if he's going to be a lifer because teams needs change so rapidly but I think there's a good chance he's here in 2026 and likely 2027. Beyond that at age 32 the team probably will want to get younger at the position. But this 3 TE thing each one brings their own strengths to the table. Kincaid decent blocker but by far the best receiver of the bunch. Knox very good blocker solid receiver (drops a little too much but is able to run a lot of routes and can catch). Hawes and elite blocker and showing that he's not a bad receiver at all. Each has a different skillset but each can block to some degree and each can catch to some degree.

[nuklz2594]

Josh will make sure knox stays a bill. At same time, think josh will have some influence on Knox doing contract restructure. 

[JP51]

25 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Agreed but I think the Bills are interesting in running 3 TE sets and using Hawes as a fullback here or there. So there's plenty of versatility these guys offer. 

They definately seem to be loading up on some big bodies up front... I would say so far Hawes is the "pleasant surprise" of our draft... 

14 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Hard to say if he's going to be a lifer because teams needs change so rapidly but I think there's a good chance he's here in 2026 and likely 2027. Beyond that at age 32 the team probably will want to get younger at the position. But this 3 TE thing each one brings their own strengths to the table. Kincaid decent blocker but by far the best receiver of the bunch. Knox very good blocker solid receiver (drops a little too much but is able to run a lot of routes and can catch). Hawes and elite blocker and showing that he's not a bad receiver at all. Each has a different skillset but each can block to some degree and each can catch to some degree.

I feel like even if he goes he will be back in a year or two LOL 

[Buffalo Boy]

On 9/15/2025 at 5:19 PM, Max Fischer said:

Saving $9M on a $17M cap hit is very tempting.  

 

Hawes has the potential to be an elite blocker, but IMO, he can only make Knox disposable by demonstrating he's a consistent pass-catching threat. 

 

 

He only needs to be Knox level consistent 

[alg]

18 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Knox is really close with Josh, I think people underestimate this when thinking Knox is gone next year. Yes the Bills won't be able to keep Knox at a 17 million dollar cap number and his dead cap charge is only 7 million. But given the relationship I think as long as Knox is willing to be reasonable with his deal he will be back for one more year. I think they probably could knock his cap number down to the 10ish million range and basically bring him back for one more year at around 3 million because they would already be sinking in 7 million on the dead cap charge. 

 

Just seems like if this 3 TE rotation is working and one of the guys is Josh's friend and a pretty good player but overpaid they could probably work out the overpaid part.

And lets not underestimate the importance of friends. Does Josh make those favorable contract concessions without them? Maybe he has a list of guys he wants to play with that the team honors. I have no idea, but neither do all the fans constantly calling for Knox to be cut - who happens to be a valuable Buffalo Bill.

 

I'm loving the Hawes development. Let's not spoil it by beating one of the fans' favorite whipping boys.

[White Linen]

I'm pleasantly surprised.  I did not see him having the athleticism to get on the field, at least this year.  I stand corrected.

[blacklabel]

We learned at draft time how this dude was the best blocking TE on the board and how he would fit in as a sixth OL for the offense. At that time tho, there were a handful of prospect analysts making a point to mention that while you didn't see it a lot, he had some skill and value as a receiver. 

 

Then during camp we heard time and again how, "This Hawes kid is more than just a blocker!" And how it seemed like as camp went on there seemed to be some new plays and wrinkles in the offense that were designed to get Hawes more involved.

 

Seems like the team and coaches/FO really like the guy and wanna develop him. Hawes also appears to have the right makeup to really succeed and turn into a solid player.

[DC Greg]

19 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Knox is really close with Josh, I think people underestimate this when thinking Knox is gone next year. Yes the Bills won't be able to keep Knox at a 17 million dollar cap number and his dead cap charge is only 7 million. But given the relationship I think as long as Knox is willing to be reasonable with his deal he will be back for one more year. I think they probably could knock his cap number down to the 10ish million range and basically bring him back for one more year at around 3 million because they would already be sinking in 7 million on the dead cap charge. 

 

Just seems like if this 3 TE rotation is working and one of the guys is Josh's friend and a pretty good player but overpaid they could probably work out the overpaid part.

 

I could definitely see that happening. If they can work out a team friendly deal like you're suggesting and he's willing to play for a discount, that would be great. Can't hurt to have that depth as long as it isn't costing the Bills opportunities to sign other playmakers who are going to make a more consistent impact on their side of the ball than Knox does.

[BananaB]

On 9/16/2025 at 1:08 AM, Victory Formation said:

I’m disappointed in Knox. It would be great if Hawes could develop into TE#2.
 

Hopefully he can develop into more of a pass catcher.

At this point how could you not be disappointed in Kincaid as well. He’s only really produced consistently his first season when Knox was injured. Knox’s best stint in a while was when Kincaid was injured last year. Seems like we’re paying two guys and getting one player’s production.  I’m disappointed in both. Right now the Knox contract and the high pick on Kincaid just makes no ***** sense to me. The Kincaid is Beasley but in TE body Beane fed us was bull####, just another wasted pick early in the draft 

Edited September 18 by BananaB