Joey Bosa provides immediate week 1 impact

[BullBuchanan]

I heard a bunch of chatter yesterday, and I'm reading some nonsense articles today like :https://boltbeat.com/it-took-bills-one-game-to-learn-what-chargers-fans-already-knew-about-joey-bosa that don't mesh at all with what I saw yesterday live while watching Bosa. I saw a guy who was providing consistent pressure and sensible contain in a way that made the entire d-line better, much like Von miller's first weeks here. Of course we all saw Jackson make him look silly a couple of times, but who hasn't Jackson done that to? 

So I went back and re-watched the condensed game, and now I'm thinking he played even better than what i saw yesterday. Outside of the couple of Jackson plays where he lost contain, he had no other missteps of note, and he directly contributed to several critical plays that cumulatively helped us win the game.

First half

• 2 great reps on the first drive where he beat his man
• Forced the fumble on a play where he punch through the line that not only forced a ravens FG saving 4 points, but saved enough clock that we could score 3 of our own.

 

Second Half

• 2nd play of the 2nd half he has a great pressure which creates a 3rd and long (we unfortunately let them convert)
• He has another pressure at 6:27 in the third where Jackson overthrows Bateman.
• at 12:31 in the 4th he forces Jackson back 15 yards on what should have been sack, but Jackson does Jackson things and no one can help secure it and we look ridiculous
• on 3rd and 8 with 8 minutes left, he blows through the blocker, but a false start is called
• The very next play he pushes the tackle into Jackson forcing him to take a checkdown that turns into 4th down and a punt
• He was timely to the pile in the Henry fumble to help secure the ball

 

Long story short, I don't think we win this game without him. He was directly responsible for ending 2 of the Ravens 11 drives, and could have been a key contributor on other stops had our defense been more reliable as a unit. I'm not making an argument that he's Garrett or Watt, but I expected him to be completely washed and through one game, I saw a clear upgrade overall.

[Dillenger4]

Great work! I agree 100% - I was totally giddy with his play last night! He was a force all night. Gonna be a massive addition for our D this year. Imagine with Hoecht returns? Oliver/Bosa/Hoecht/Groot/DQ/Walker   sweeeeeeeeeeet

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I heard a bunch of chatter yesterday, and I'm reading some nonsense articles today like :https://boltbeat.com/it-took-bills-one-game-to-learn-what-chargers-fans-already-knew-about-joey-bosa that don't mesh at all with what I saw yesterday live while watching Bosa. I saw a guy who was providing consistent pressure and sensible contain in a way that made the entire d-line better, much like Von miller's first weeks here. Of course we all saw Jackson make him look silly a couple of times, but who hasn't Jackson done that to? 

So I went back and re-watched the condensed game, and now I'm thinking he played even better than what i saw yesterday. Outside of the couple of Jackson plays where he lost contain, he had no other missteps of note, and he directly contributed to several critical plays that cumulatively helped us win the game.

First half

• 2 great reps on the first drive where he beat his man
• Forced the fumble on a play where he punch through the line that not only forced a ravens FG saving 4 points, but saved enough clock that we could score 3 of our own.

 

Second Half

• 2nd play of the 2nd half he has a great pressure which creates a 3rd and long (we unfortunately let them convert)
• He has another pressure at 6:27 in the third where Jackson overthrows Bateman.
• at 12:31 in the 4th he forces Jackson back 15 yards on what should have been sack, but Jackson does Jackson things and no one can help secure it and we look ridiculous
• on 3rd and 8 with 8 minutes left, he blows through the blocker, but a false start is called
• The very next play he pushes the tackle into Jackson forcing him to take a checkdown that turns into 4th down and a punt
• He was timely to the pile in the Henry fumble to help secure the ball

 

Long story short, I don't think we win this game without him. He was directly responsible for ending 2 of the Ravens 11 drives, and could have been a key contributor on other stops had our defense been more reliable as a unit. I'm not making an argument that he's Garrett or Watt, but I expected him to be completely washed and through one game, I saw a clear upgrade overall.

 

I think by midseason this D will be much improved as they work the new players and younger players in and they figure out exactly what their role is on each play...more than any other, this defense relies on precision and technique and relying on players to be exactly where they should be at all times.  That takes some time to build, especially when you have new players and pieces to fit in and figure out the best roles for them.

 

Also, Hoecht and Ogunjobi could play pivotal roles down the stretch once back in the lineup after their 6 week vacation.  They must be sick to their stomach they couldn't be a part of that game last night...

Edited 5 hours ago by Big Turk

[BullBuchanan]

43 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think by midseason this D will be much improved as they work the new players and younger players in and they figure out exactly what their role is on each play...more than any other, this defense relies on precision and technique and relying on players to be exactly where they should be at all times.  That takes some time to build, especially when you have new players and pieces to fit in and figure out the best roles for them.

 

Also, Hoecht and Ogunjobi could play pivotal roles down the stretch once back in the lineup after their 6 week vacation.  They must be sick to their stomach they couldn't be a part of that game last night...

I was extremely excited about the addition of Hoecht. He underwhelmed me by a lot in the pre-season, which has tempered my excitement, but that could be a case of veterans taking it easy and reduced quality personnel all around.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

He got beat so bad a couple of times in the first half I was ready for him to pull a Vontae at halftime.

 

He had a great 2nd half.

[BillsShredder83]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I was extremely excited about the addition of Hoecht. He underwhelmed me by a lot in the pre-season, which has tempered my excitement, but that could be a case of veterans taking it easy and reduced quality personnel all around.

He seems like the EXACT piece we were missing last night to me.  Bigger dude whos outstanding in the run game... versatile.  Brings pressure.  I think we look much better in a playoff rematch, a ton of pieces needing to mesh, and our young draft picks getting tons of play time up until then. Stoked!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

He had lowlights early and maybe the chargers don’t know how bad we were at edge before lol also kinda strikes me as almost ai written clickbait junk.  That was honestly the only time I think I’ve ever seen our pass rush show up against a great offense which is context they just wouldn’t have 

 

if they wrote that article at halftime it’s not the craziest exaggeration but he def turned it around 

Edited 4 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Thrivefourfive]

Ten years on and he is very useful. And for the Bills, he’s practically revolutionary. Because he’s not one dimension. It’ll be essential to lower the workload by kicking the crap out of teams they should. We have youth for mopping up, to build confidence and step in during crutch time when the time calls. 

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

He had lowlights early and maybe the chargers don’t know how bad we were at edge before lol also kinda strikes me as almost ai written clickbait junk.  That was honestly the only time I think I’ve ever seen our pass rush show up against a great offense which is context they just wouldn’t have 

 

if they wrote that article at halftime it’s not the craziest exaggeration but he def turned it around 

The blog-article is just one example. I heard chatter about it last night from talking heads, social media posts, etc. How many plays did he have where he got beat? I counted two. I didn't include the almost-sack, because you would expect that one of the other 10 players could make on play there when Jackson is 15 yards back from the LoS, under duress and slowed. On a day where Henry and Jackson ran all over us, no one walked out flawless.

[Simon]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

I didn't include the almost-sack, because you would expect that one of the other 10 players could make on play there when Jackson is 15 yards back from the LoS, under duress and slowed.

 

It wasn't really his fault but I think Groot gets him if Bosa hadn't inadvertently cut his legs.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

The blog-article is just one example. I heard chatter about it last night from talking heads, social media posts, etc. How many plays did he have where he got beat? I counted two. I didn't include the almost-sack, because you would expect that one of the other 10 players could make on play there when Jackson is 15 yards back from the LoS, under duress and slowed. On a day where Henry and Jackson ran all over us, no one walked out flawless.

Yea that’s fair…I hadn’t seen that talking point much but it’s unsurprising.  Seems like these analysts value a storyline over the truth these days lol 

 

[GolfandBills]

I believe he would have had a sack or two if not playing against Lamar 

[MJS]

I agree. I think it was a solid 1st game from him. I don't think he is an elite game wrecker, but he looks like he can be very good if he stays healthy. And if he gets more attention from defenses, that hopefully frees up Rousseau.

[BillsPride12]

Yes from being at the stadium live I too thought he looked pretty solid from what I was watching so I was surprised to see so many negative posts on here but haven't had a chance to go back and rewatch the game yet. I know there were times when Lamar, Henry and the Ravens offense made our Defense look silly but that is going to happen against an Offense of that caliber. 

[Heathcliff]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

I agree. I think it was a solid 1st game from him. I don't think he is an elite game wrecker, but he looks like he can be very good if he stays healthy. And if he gets more attention from defenses, that hopefully frees up Rousseau.

It freed up Oliver and he was a game wrecker last night. 

[Captain_Quint]

44 minutes ago, WEATHER DOT COM said:

He got beat so bad a couple of times in the first half I was ready for him to pull a Vontae at halftime.

 

He had a great 2nd half.

I almost feel like he was playing it wrong at first. He crashed towards the middle and Jackson just strolled past. Not sure if that's what the coaches had him do or not. It was a glaring couple of mistakes even for the casual observer. 

 

He did it about 3 times, and then right before halftime corrected it. After that he was fine. 

[WNYFAN1]

19 minutes ago, MJS said:

I agree. I think it was a solid 1st game from him. I don't think he is an elite game wrecker, but he looks like he can be very good if he stays healthy. And if he gets more attention from defenses, that hopefully frees up Rousseau.

This is the key. No offense but I wasn't looking for huge impacts from Bosa in the regular season. Dude needs to be available for the postseason.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

We'll have to take a look at his snap count, but I'm worried the Bills are using him too much.

 

Maybe because the game was so close ?

[Victory Formation]

He looked very good to me. By far our best DE..

[MJS]

40 minutes ago, Heathcliff said:

It freed up Oliver and he was a game wrecker last night. 

Maybe Oliver freed up Bosa.