Nominee for Weak Excuse of the Year

[RochesterLifer]

44 minutes ago, BRH said:

Josh taking himself out of a game for "cramping" or anything else is inconceivable.

And this one-play instance shows us why Josh is the MVP in this conversation.

 

Lamar reminds me of Dominique Wilkins (showing my age, bigtime) in the old NBA days. He was a human highlight reel - but just didn't know how to win.

[RyanC883]

the whole Ravens last drive was odd.  Handing off to Flowers when Henry was crushing our D the entire game.  Just weird.  Second time in a row the Ravens beat themselves against us.  

Edited September 8 by RyanC883

[hondo in seattle]

I was instantly happy when I saw they were punting, which meant it was obviously a bad call for the Ravens.

4th and 3.  Lamar is cramping but all he has to do is hand the ball off to Henry.  Henry always gashes the Bills and was averaging something like 9 yards per carry against us yesterday.  The 1st down was likely.  With the Bills only needing only a FG and Josh on fire, punting was clearly the wrong choice.  Raven fans must be pissed.  

[Big Turk]

at least Anthony Richardson was a rookie when he pulled himself out for being "too tired"

[That's No Moon]

The REAL MVP

[DrDawkinstein]

4 hours ago, Last Guy on the Bench said:

He did look like he was limping a bit as he walked off the field after that third down play.

 

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I need to see a replay but I believe Oliver put a huge hit on him that play as well. He definitely got up limping.

 

Still have to go for it there when it was obvious our Defense wasnt going to stop him or Henry.

 

Here is that hit by Ed on 3rd down before the punt...

 

 

[Low Positive]

7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Here is that hit by Ed on 3rd down before the punt...

 

 

Imagine if they had called RtP on that play. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

 

Honestly, if the vote for MVP is split between Josh and Lamar this will the tie breaker. 

And Jackson will get it for overcoming great personal challenges. (Quad cramps. 🙄)

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The Ravens equipment manager is on the hot seat for not having those oranges sliced for halftime. 😁

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Success said:

To me, that decision was a no brainer, cramping or no cramping.

 

I don't really get the 2nd guessing.  Yes, you have to respect Allen's ability to drive the Bills down w/ that amount of time left, but if you go for it & don't make it, you're just handing the game to the Bills.  

 

 

Harbaughs explanation was satisfactory

[Danger Mouse]

If a decision goes right then everyone says its the right decision. If a decision goes wrong it's like "why didn't you make the other decision"

 

So all coaches have to do is always make the decision that gets the right result and they'll attract no criticism. 

 

So, go for 2 points. But only if you get the 2 points. Go for it on 4th down. Just be 100% sure that you will make the yards.

 

Simple as that. 

 

(edit - the final result matters too. so if you don't get the result you want on the play, but you end up winning the game due to other events, then it wasn't THAT bad a decision. But if you don't get the result you want on the play and you lose the game - then you probably need to be fired before the press conference)

 

 

Edited September 8 by Danger Mouse

[3rdand12]

8 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Imagine if they had called RtP on that play. 

rewatching this like ten times and laughing

Great call

I was peeing and missed it , my Son was telling me last nite about Oliver

Great blitz and coverage call

This aint Leslie Frazier's defensive play calling no more 🤠

[Jerome007]

If they missed the 4th down, the Bills are almost already in field goal range. Way too big a risk IMO. They were too conservative on the plays BEFORE. Yet, as they were gashing the Bills with the run all night, it still made sense. Josh and the guys made them pay but it was the right coaching decision.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

If they missed the 4th down, the Bills are almost already in field goal range. Way too big a risk IMO. They were too conservative on the plays BEFORE. Yet, as they were gashing the Bills with the run all night, it still made sense. Josh and the guys made them pay but it was the right coaching decision.

 

I get the field position argument, but does that work in their favor since we could score quickly and theyd get the ball back with more time left?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

the whole Ravens last drive was odd.  Handing off to Flowers when Henry was crushing our D the entire game.  Just weird.  Second time in a row the Ravens beat themselves against us.  

That flowers hand-off was so stupid. On top of that, flowers just gave up on the play, and slid. He actually had some room to try to gain some more yards. He put them in 3rd and long. 

[Jerome007]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I get the field position argument, but does that work in their favor since we could score quickly and theyd get the ball back with more time left?

Bills could still find ways to milk the clock. BTW that tackle that prevented the TD gave the Bills the W!

Edited September 8 by Jerome007
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[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Success said:

To me, that decision was a no brainer, cramping or no cramping.

 

I don't really get the 2nd guessing.  Yes, you have to respect Allen's ability to drive the Bills down w/ that amount of time left, but if you go for it & don't make it, you're just handing the game to the Bills.  

 

 

 

Respectfully disagree.  Imagine if the Bills were in that same spot on 4th and 3 and we were about to punt to Mahomes with a minute and a half left only needing a FG.  This board would lose its mind when Mahomes inevitably wins the game on a FG.  The Ravens defense was getting carved up by Allen all 4th quarter, you have to play the situation.  

 

You have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson.  That is so hard to defend, and they were gashing us all game on the ground.  You easily fake the handoff to Henry let Lamar roll out and either make a quick dump off or just run for the first.  That had a better chance to succeed than punting the ball back to the MVP who was on fire with over a minute left needing only a FG.  

 

If I am going down, I am doing it with the ball in my best players hands not on the backs of a defense getting gashed an entire quarter.  

 

Just my 2 cents.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Apparently, the reason why Baltimore didn't go for it on 4th & 3 on their final possession was because Lamar was 'cramping'.  

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaking-news/article/lamar-jackson-said-cramps-were-the-reason-the-ravens-didnt-go-for-it-on-critical-4th-down-in-bills-comeback-win-141316780.html

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Respectfully disagree.  Imagine if the Bills were in that same spot on 4th and 3 and we were about to punt to Mahomes with a minute and a half left only needing a FG.  This board would lose its mind when Mahomes inevitably wins the game on a FG.  The Ravens defense was getting carved up by Allen all 4th quarter, you have to play the situation.  

 

You have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson.  That is so hard to defend, and they were gashing us all game on the ground.  You easily fake the handoff to Henry let Lamar roll out and either make a quick dump off or just run for the first.  That had a better chance to succeed than punting the ball back to the MVP who was on fire with over a minute left needing only a FG.  

 

If I am going down, I am doing it with the ball in my best players hands not on the backs of a defense getting gashed an entire quarter.  

 

Just my 2 cents.  

 

Yep. With these two teams, it's who has the ball last, wins. Same with our KC games.

 

The Ravens proactively chose to put us in a situation to have the ball last.

[SoonerBillsFan]

35 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

Here is that hit by Ed on 3rd down before the punt...

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

 

3 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Bills could still fid ways to mil the clock. BTW that tackle that prevented the TD gave the Bills the W!

 

 

Maybe, but that's tougher to do with the short field. Most likely it's score a TD quick, or get stopped and kick a FG quick. Those passes took a ton of time off the clock.

 

Haha, yep, that tackle basically won us the game, because I dont think Coleman had the awareness to go down at the 1yd line.

Edited September 8 by DrDawkinstein