Tush pushin'

[Ethan in Cleveland]

23 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Its cheating that the defense might mimic Hurts? Ridiculous. Did the refs call an unsportsmanlike penalty when Tom Brady used to use the phrase "Rex Ryan" at the line in his cadence? LOL.

Well one is a penalty and one is not.

[TableDestoyer69]

Given that this is so difficult to officiate, why not just remove the rule and let the game's meta evolve? It would at least be fair, and I don't think giving defenses a slight edge here will unbalance the game much for TV audiences.

[Augie]

24 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

With that mentality I’m sure you think all football players cheat right? Like I said, it’s football not golf. Different standards. 

 

If you violate the rules, it’s cheating and subject to penalty. It’s quite simple, and that goes across sports. That just how that works. You may see some things as more egregious than others, but cheating is cheating and the penalty associated with it reflects how ”serious” it is. 

 

This penalty was actually called (on our opponent) when I was in 5th grade playing little league. That’s a strangely vivid memory. If it’s against the rules, I have to expect that you might have a flag thrown in your honor. 

[90sBills]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

If you violate the rules, it’s cheating and subject to penalty. It’s quite simple, and that goes across sports. That just how that works. You may see some things as more egregious than others, but cheating is cheating and the penalty associated with it reflects how ”serious” it is. 

 

This penalty was actually called (on our opponent) when I was in 5th grade playing little league. That’s a strangely vivid memory. If it’s against the rules, I have to expect that you might have a flag thrown in your honor. 

No. It’s called an infraction and penalized by downs and/or distance during the game. Cheating is like what the Pats did where suspensions and draft picks were affected outside of the actual games. 

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think there is a difference between and in play penalty that happens post snap and something that happens pre-snap. Not sure I'd call it cheating but I do think conceptually the two are different.

Maybe there should be a new flag for "un-Corinthian spirit?"

[Jukester]

54 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dude, you're funny.

 

Violating rules is, in fact, a form of cheating.  The fact that it's taking place on many plays in the hope the refs don't call it,  doesn't change that fact.

So by that logic there is basically “cheating” on almost every play by both sides because penalties are not called.  I see offensive holding on almost every pass play. I see contact of receivers beyond 5 yards basically every pass play. 95% of these dont get called. 
 

Cheating 😂

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

No. It’s called an infraction and penalized by downs and/or distance during the game. Cheating is like what the Pats did where suspensions and draft picks were affected outside of the actual games. 

 

I’m not wasting time getting bogged down in semantics regarding how you personally define “cheating”, but it’s not even inadvertent like a false start. The rules were intentionally violated and you can be penalized for that. 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

The fans are the ones being cheated by being forced to watch incompetent refs ignore NFL rules.  At least baseball is finally getting a digital strike zone. 

[Jukester]

On 9/8/2025 at 9:35 AM, cage said:

Can anyone explain, why this team hasn't learned the Shake-Rattle-Rolle play from the SB years as an alternative to Tush Push??  Allen should be able to line up at with two alternative and then make a choice at the line of scrimmage.  The S-R-R was just as unstoppable back in the day.  If you had two credible alternatives and the D couldn't exclusively sell out to the TP, then there would be positive result close to 100%.... why can't they figure that out??

just plain stubbornness from a coaching standpoint. Play action to the tight end is money

[akcash]

We need to do exactly what Philly does and Dawson Knox needs to be the one under center, not Josh.

[Beck Water]

54 minutes ago, Jukester said:

So by that logic there is basically “cheating” on almost every play by both sides because penalties are not called.  I see offensive holding on almost every pass play. I see contact of receivers beyond 5 yards basically every pass play. 95% of these dont get called. 
 

Cheating 😂

 

How does the fact that the penalty isn't called impact whether or not it's a rules violation? 
And if it's a deliberate rules violation (not inadvertant), what do you call it? 

Just ducky?

 

In the case of KC, it was coordinated and deliberate.  Cheating.

In the case of the Eagles coordinated and deliberate false starting, it's also Cheating.

 

Do you guys think a theft that isn't reported or charged, somehow isn't a crime or something?  

 

I think I'd be beating a dead horse to continue here, but Wow.

[Old Coot]

Why don't they go the whole 9 yards and just have a rule applicable only to the Eagles saying that they only need to gain 9 yards for a first down.

[Aesop]

Next year it will be banned. 

[Low Positive]

Nice title@Simon. Shoulda called it Log Jammin'

[Dr.Sack]

The best defense against this play is not giving up 8-9 yards on 1st and 2nd down. 

[Livinginthepast]

17 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Well one is a penalty and one is not.

Neither are. 

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

Neither are. 

It is against the rules for a defense to simulate the snap cadence. That's been a rule for a very long time.

[Livinginthepast]

10 minutes ago, MJS said:

It is against the rules for a defense to simulate the snap cadence. That's been a rule for a very long time.

Have you ever seen a penalty called for this? Unsportsmanlike conduct is a wide spectrum and pretty arbitrary at times  but I have never seen this called in 46 years of watching the NFL. I can imagine that there is a lot of trash talking at the line, how would the refs even hear it?

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

Have you ever seen a penalty called for this? Unsportsmanlike conduct is a wide spectrum and pretty arbitrary at times  but I have never seen this called in 46 years of watching the NFL. I can imagine that there is a lot of trash talking at the line, how would the refs even hear it?

It's a very rare penalty.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

16 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Nice title@Simon. Shoulda called it Log Jammin'

 

He fixes the cable?