Is Our WR Corps Good?

[Blackbeard]

I haven't had time to dissect this thread, but is there any word on Curtis Samuel and/or why he wasn't used?

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

🤷🏻‍♂️ it’s always come down to one thing imo.  We just need guys to make clutch plays when the opportunity arises.  Ed made epic plays.  Kincaid made clutch plays.  Keon made clutch plays.  Palmer made clutch plays.  All but one of these season ending losses came down to just that.  Just make clutch plays.  

 

These Chiefs and Ravens games come down to clutch plays. Comparing them to games against everyone else is pointless IMO. They are gonna come down to who makes the clutch plays when it matters.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

These Chiefs and Ravens games come down to clutch plays. Comparing them to games against everyone else is pointless IMO. They are gonna come down to who makes the clutch plays when it matters.

Thats it.  Nothing else matters.  Always one score games and you either get it done when it counts or you don’t.

[gonzo1105]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

These Chiefs and Ravens games come down to clutch plays. Comparing them to games against everyone else is pointless IMO. They are gonna come down to who makes the clutch plays when it matters.

Yup, I’ve said this for years as well. These games doesn’t matter the personnel. You have to make the clutch plays. It’s why the Ravens lose to us and it’s why we’ve lost to the Chiefs 

[Chicken Boo]

If Coleman can show up like this consistently, then yes.  

 

Josh just needs to feed him.  I believe a lot of trust was built last night.  

[Mango]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Ravens getting too conservative too early in the 4th. Before that the receivers outside had nothing.

 

I am enjoying the historic win, but I would be lying if I didn't come away from that game with some concerns on whether this current team can sustain success (outside of Josh Allen). 

In no particular order I didn't love: 

- Offensive playcalling. 
- Our WR's ability to seperate. They were absolutely blanketed on a number of Allen scrambles and still couldn't break free. 
- Our run game overall. 

- James Cook's inability to be on the field for everydown. Again, he is barely on the field with the game on the line in the 4th. He just signed a major deal. He has to be better, but coaches also need to utilze him in those moments. 
- Our back 7 in pass coverage. 

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

He was wrong, wasn’t he?

 

They basically held the Bills offense in check for 3Q’s, and changed what they were doing and our offense exploded.

 

Yeah, if I was a Ravens fan, I'd be pissed. 

 

But Brady's play-calling changed too.  He started the game very conservative but opened it up when he realized he had no choice.  I'm not sure the Ravens D would have been more successful if they had remained in their 1st half defense.  We can only speculate.   

 

In any case, our passing game leaned heavily on our receivers and earned 41 points against one of the top teams in the NFL led by a guy considered one of the top coaches.  When we needed our wideouts to produce, they didn't fail us.

[PayDaBill$]

With real preseason action /  time under their collective belts I’m hoping this group gels as the season progresses and everyone gets use to their roles.

 

i didn’t see a lot of wr separation for 3/4 of the game, so im hoping someone like Palmer can be more consistent. 

Edited September 8 by PayDaBill$

[GASabresIUFan]

18 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

I haven't had time to dissect this thread, but is there any word on Curtis Samuel and/or why he wasn't used?

Do you mean the oft injured $10 mill PS player?

[Blackbeard]

7 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Do you mean the oft injured $10 mill PS player?

 

Christ.  Are you 8?

 

Can anyone relatively mature give any updates to why Samuel was a healthy scratch?

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

 

Christ.  Are you 8?

 

Can anyone relatively mature give any updates to why Samuel was a healthy scratch?

I don’t think there’s any meaningful update, but I also don’t think it’s some mystery. Much like it wasn’t a mystery why Kaiir Elam was always a healthy scratch.

 

the team doesn’t see their value being active.

[LEBills]

Shakir and Coleman are good fits for this offense. Shakir is never going to be a dominating WR but he is good at the quick passes and YAC. Coleman is not consistent at creating initial separation but is good at scramble drill which helps hero mode Josh. Palmer is average as can be….I would not call it a good WR corp. Due to Josh, we may be able to make it work this year. Hope we draft a few players for him next year.

 

[GASabresIUFan]

17 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

 

Christ.  Are you 8?

 

Can anyone relatively mature give any updates to why Samuel was a healthy scratch?

It’s pretty simple if you have followed camp and the pre-season.  He had been nursing another injury early in camp and when he played he was outplayed by Hamler, Wilkerson, Shavers and Moore.  The only reason he made the team was that it was cheaper to keep him on the cap than cut him.  His cap hit is $9 mill and it was a $12 mill hit to cut him.  The reason he is a healthy scratch is that he is behind Shavers and Moore on the depth chart and he isn’t one of the 48 best players to dress on game day.  Bottom line is that he is a scratch because he isn’t good enough to be playing when everyone else is healthy.

[Blackbeard]

2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

It’s pretty simple if you have followed camp and the pre-season.  He had been nursing another injury early in camp and when he played he was outplayed by Hamler, Wilkerson, Shavers and Moore.  The only reason he made the team was that it was cheaper to keep him on the cap than cut him.  His cap hit is $9 mill and it was a $12 mill hit to cut him.  The reason he is a healthy scratch is that he is behind Shavers and Moore on the depth chart and he isn’t one of the 48 best players to dress on game day.  Bottom line is that he is a scratch because he isn’t good enough to be playing when everyone else is healthy.

 

I wonder if they think he's tradeable at this point?

[GASabresIUFan]

Just now, Blackbeard said:

 

I wonder if they think he's tradeable at this point?

No.  No one has the cap space or enough injuries yet to be willing to take on a guy who is sitting behind Shavers and Moore. He’ll only become tradable if some gets decimated by injuries.  What will be interesting is when Gabe Davis gets healthy.  Will they elevate Davis from the PS, cut Shavers and leave Samuel as a healthy scratch? 

[Mister Defense]

14 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

For some unknown reason The Ravens started playing soft with the 15 point lead and the Bills are a good team and took full advantage of it

 

Oh and Alexander is washed lol

 

Alexander will soon make a good broadcaster I think.

 

One of the best, just a few years ago--and we know how good he was because our little boy Diggs could not stomach him.

 

Once he signed that huge contract, I think in 22, which made him the highest payed CB?, it seemed he pretty quickly became complacent.   When you have tens of millions in the bank, and more to come, easy to see how someone may soon decide to hang it up. You have to be highly motivated to play in the NFL.  He seems destined for something else, soon.

 

 

Edited September 8 by Mister Defense

[buffaloaggie]

Our WRs are smart. They come back to the ball when they need to, as demonstrated on a few plays last night. If we ever have a receiver that stands around with Josh scrambling, he should be quickly on the bench. They are not great receivers, but they are great working with Allen.

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think the play you're thinking of was to Palmer. I'm talking about a different one, I think it came on the series after Allen got out of trouble and flipped the ball to Shakir. On 3rd and 8 the pass hit Shakir right in his hands but there was contact and he didn't complete the catch. I don't know if if will officially go down as a drop because of the contact, but my point was his WR had a chance to make a play for him in a critical moment and couldn't do it.

 

Maybe I am mixing up the play, its possible, yesterday was a roller coaster but I thought that was to Shakir.  Still do, but I am open to being mistaken about that of course.  

 

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Shakir otherwise had a pretty good game. So did Coleman although his almost all happened in the 4th quarter. I just question if we can sustain a bunch of WR3 types (maybe Coleman can keep developing into a WR2) and not one pass catcher that is your go to guy on a critical play, while also trying to get by with a defense that once again looks a complete waste of investments. We have a defense where you'll probably need to win some shootouts paired with an offense that isn't built to win them, save for Josh going god mode.

 

No disrespect, and we are all entitled to our opinions, but this is an over exaggeration of our WR room IMHO.  One, Coleman played at a higher level than WR3 yesterday, and was a WR1 type player for us and made big plays when we needed them.  Doesn't make him a WR1 yet, still lots to prove over the season, but you don't even have him to be a WR2 which is wild considering he is a starting WR and the WR1 for a SB favorite right now. 

 

But also, this is a pretty disrespectful description of Shakir too because I think you are greatly over looking how many massive and critical plays Shakir made for this team the last 2 years and he has clearly established himself as Josh's most trusted and go to weapon in key moments.  And Shakir made more of those plays yesterday too.  

 

I know we don't have a Chase or Jefferson on this team, but I feel like some of you overly discredit the guys we do have because or your desire for someone you view as elite.   

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

It’s pretty simple if you have followed camp and the pre-season.  He had been nursing another injury early in camp and when he played he was outplayed by Hamler, Wilkerson, Shavers and Moore.  The only reason he made the team was that it was cheaper to keep him on the cap than cut him.  His cap hit is $9 mill and it was a $12 mill hit to cut him.  The reason he is a healthy scratch is that he is behind Shavers and Moore on the depth chart and he isn’t one of the 48 best players to dress on game day.  Bottom line is that he is a scratch because he isn’t good enough to be playing when everyone else is healthy.

Good to know.

 

I thought Samuels was injured again.

 

Bills could sure use him on the field.

Edited September 8 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

 

I am enjoying the historic win, but I would be lying if I didn't come away from that game with some concerns on whether this current team can sustain success (outside of Josh Allen). 

In no particular order I didn't love: 

- Offensive playcalling. 
- Our WR's ability to seperate. They were absolutely blanketed on a number of Allen scrambles and still couldn't break free. 
- Our run game overall. 

- James Cook's inability to be on the field for everydown. Again, he is barely on the field with the game on the line in the 4th. He just signed a major deal. He has to be better, but coaches also need to utilze him in those moments. 
- Our back 7 in pass coverage. 

 

I am a little bit more defensive of the offensive playcalling. Partly cos there were some bad alerts by Josh first half and partly because until the Ravens eased up into a prevent style in the 4th Qrtr there was zero separation outside every time they did call to go down the field. 

 

Other than that on offense my concerns are minimal. Defense I think my more sustained long term concerns are greater.