Can you imagine if Beane had done this (‘22 draft)…

[eball]

https://apple.news/APXOfnemBSAuaSmiuGezfzA
 

This place would implode. 
 

[No_Matter_What]

44 minutes ago, eball said:

https://apple.news/APXOfnemBSAuaSmiuGezfzA
 

This place would implode. 
 

Interesting. And I didn't know about Booth, I totally forgot about him. It was the Elam draft IIRC and I know some including @GunnerBill were high on Booth. And it seems he is total bust too.

[Sierra Foothills]

I hate to say it but many Bills fans on this forum are spoiled.

 

I'd like to blame it on younger fans that don't remember all the misery of the Bills' history but even some of the older posters here are insufferably entitled.

 

[mannc]

No one has a worse draft history than the Bears.  Passed on Mahomes for Trubisky (while trading up from 3 to 2), and passed on Jaden Daniels for Caleb Darnold.

[BillzFreak]

10 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I hate to say it but many Bills fans on this forum are spoiled.

 

I'd like to blame it on younger fans that don't remember all the misery of the Bills' history but even some of the older posters here are insufferably entitled.

 

I understand what you're saying but honestly most people just want to win the Superbowl at this point. We have arguably the most talented QB in the NFL and have had chances to make it there. I am enjoying the ride but I'm starting to get to the now or never point with this regime to be honest. I was to young to enjoy the Superbowl runs of yesteryear, and went through the misery of the drought. Winning and being talked about as a Nfl power house has been awesome but I do crave more for this team, just go out and win the whole darn thing already.

Edited 1 hour ago by BillzFreak

[SoTier]

 

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

No one has a worse draft history than the Bears.  Passed on Mahomes for Trubisky (while trading up from 3 to 2), and passed on Jaden Daniels for Caleb Darnold.

 

I don't know about.   I think the Jests might just be the most inept QB evaluators in the NFL.

 

The Jests traded 2 2018 second round picks and their 2019 second round pick to Indy to take Sam Darnold at #3 overall in 2018 ... with two future NFL MVPs, Allen and Jackson, still on the board.   Then they gave up on Darnold and traded him away to Carolina after 2020 so they could use the #2 pick in 2021 on Zach Wilson.  In 2023, the Jests traded picks #13, their second round pick and a sixth rounder for Aaron Rodgers, the Packers #15 pick, and a fifth round pick.   Wilson was traded to Denver in 2024 for a sixth and a seventh round pick.  In 2025, they signed Justin Fields as a FA for $30 million over 2 years.

 

In 2024, Darnold took the Vikings to a 14-3 record and made the Pro Bowl.

[Pete]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

 

I don't know about.   I think the Jests might just be the most inept QB evaluators in the NFL.

 

The Jests traded 2 2018 second round picks and their 2019 second round pick to Indy to take Sam Darnold at #3 overall in 2018 ... with two future NFL MVPs, Allen and Jackson, still on the board.   Then they gave up on Darnold and traded him away to Carolina after 2020 so they could use the #2 pick in 2021 on Zach Wilson.  In 2023, the Jests traded picks #13, their second round pick and a sixth rounder for Aaron Rodgers, the Packers #15 pick, and a fifth round pick.   Wilson was traded to Denver in 2024 for a sixth and a seventh round pick.  In 2025, they signed Justin Fields as a FA for $30 million over 2 years.

 

In 2024, Darnold took the Vikings to a 14-3 record and made the Pro Bowl.

 

[RoscoeParrish]

1 hour ago, eball said:

https://apple.news/APXOfnemBSAuaSmiuGezfzA
 

This place would implode. 
 

Somewhere on a Minnesota fan forum, someone is saying “hey come on, we won 14 games last year, and we made the playoffs 2/3 years, what is there to complain about?”

[Rad Likes The Bills]

I mean is Cole bishop that much different???? 

[Mikie2times]

28 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I hate to say it but many Bills fans on this forum are spoiled.

 

I'd like to blame it on younger fans that don't remember all the misery of the Bills' history but even some of the older posters here are insufferably entitled.

 

Disagree. I became a fan at the ripe age of 8 years old in 1990. Since that time we have had some really great high's, but we have also been among the more tormented franchises in the NFL. Wide Right, MCM, 4 Super Bowls, Just Give it to Um, Willie Parker, 17 years playoff drought, 19 starting QB's in that 17 years, 13 seconds. It sounds like we didn't start the fire depressed Buffalo Bills addition.

 

Now, do the pre 90's fans have a longer list? Likely so. But at the end of the day all most of us want is one. Which is the source of the intensity when talking about our current team. Some feel pretty strongly that our regime is surviving off Allen acting as a road block to the next step. Others feel like they're the main reason we are here. Logic likely doesn't put it at either extreme, but it's not hard to see why each side is so dug in.

 

Either way, new year, new chance to put this all to rest. Season can't start soon enough. 

[Sierra Foothills]

26 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

I understand what you're saying but honestly most people just want to win the Superbowl at this point. We have arguably the most talented QB in the NFL and have had chances to make it there. I am enjoying the ride but I'm starting to get to the now or never point with this regime to be honest. I was to young to enjoy the Superbowl runs of yesteryear, and went through the misery of the drought. Winning and being talked about as a Nfl power house has been awesome but I do crave more for this team, just go out and win the whole darn thing already.

 

This is a great point... that longtime fans are running out of patience and just want to win the prize... I get it.

 

 

But some of the stuff I read here just seems to lack any kind of perspective.

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

32 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

I understand what you're saying but honestly most people just want to win the Superbowl at this point. We have arguably the most talented QB in the NFL and have had chances to make it there. I am enjoying the ride but I'm starting to get to the now or never point with this regime to be honest. I was to young to enjoy the Superbowl runs of yesteryear, and went through the misery of the drought. Winning and being talked about as a Nfl power house has been awesome but I do crave more for this team, just go out and win the whole darn thing already.

 

We all want that Lombardi. But winning one won't change much around here because as soon as the celebrations end it'll be "now go get two." And we'll be miserable until we get #2....and so on.

[BillsFanForever19]

It might have exploded in the moment. But if we still ended up Drafting Christian Benford, Khalil Shakir, James Cook, and Terrel Bernard - plus we had extra picks where we could do more than we did, I think we'd be just fine.

 

It slays me when people complain over the miss of Kaiir Elam in Round 1. We ended up with 4 starting core team talents that we ended up giving second contracts to in that Draft. That's an insane haul.

[Mikie2times]

9 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

This is a great point... that longtime fans are running out of patience and just want to win the prize... I get it.

 

 

But some of the stuff I read here just seems to lack any kind of perspective.

 

 

Allen really changed the whole conversation. If we had anybody oustide of Allen, Burrow, Jackson, or Mahomes, I don't think this place would be this way. But we have one of those four and probably the one you want most. At this point I don't think we can say its patience or logic. We have had incredible success and incredible failure and data can back up whichever you want backed up. We see the extremes taken more for affect. If the argument was Beane or McD are actually bad, I would push back against that. Some here do argue that. That is the type of stuff that lacks perspective. But if it's can they get us a ring, again, it's whatever the flavor is you choose to side with. Plenty of data either way.  

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

We all want that Lombardi. But winning one won't change much around here because as soon as the celebrations end it'll be "now go get two." And we'll be miserable until we get #2....and so on.

I don't understand this opinion. I imagine I will be savoring a Super Bowl for several years after all that has happened. This is the least entitled fanbase on the planet. 

Edited 23 minutes ago by Mikie2times

[BillzFreak]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

We all want that Lombardi. But winning one won't change much around here because as soon as the celebrations end it'll be "now go get two." And we'll be miserable until we get #2....and so on.

That's totally possible but the emotion for the long time fans would be something legendary. I can't speak for every Bills fan nor would I try but just getting one for the fan base would certainly change allot of hate into positivity in my opinion.

[Avisan]

23 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

I mean is Cole bishop that much different???? 

Uh, yes?  He's a second-year safety that would be rostered on the vast majority of teams in the league.

[SoTier]

31 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

I understand what you're saying but honestly most people just want to win the Superbowl at this point. We have arguably the most talented QB in the NFL and have had chances to make it there. I am enjoying the ride but I'm starting to get to the now or never point with this regime to be honest. I was to young to enjoy the Superbowl runs of yesteryear, and went through the misery of the drought. Winning and being talked about as a Nfl power house has been awesome but I do crave more for this team, just go out and win the whole darn thing already.

 

All Bills fans want a Super Bowl win, but most realize that there's no guaranteed path to getting it.  

[Rad Likes The Bills]

5 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Uh, yes?  He's a second-year safety that would be rostered on the vast majority of teams in the league.

We will see after this year what he really is… if he can stay healthy

[Buffalo Junction]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

It might have exploded in the moment. But if we still ended up Drafting Christian Benford, Khalil Shakir, James Cook, and Terrel Bernard - plus we had extra picks where we could do more than we did, I think we'd be just fine.

 

It slays me when people complain over the miss of Kaiir Elam in Round 1. We ended up with 4 starting core team talents that we ended up giving second contracts to in that Draft. That's an insane haul.

It’s basically the same deal as the 09’ draft. They hit on Eric Wood, Byrd, and Levitre. Plus they nabbed Garrison Sanborn as a UDFA…. But…. Everyone will always remember selecting Maybin instead of Orakpo. However, if they had drafted Orakpo everyone would have been pissed they drafted Levitre instead of Shady McCoy. 🤷‍♂️ 

[RoscoeParrish]

26 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

We all want that Lombardi. But winning one won't change much around here because as soon as the celebrations end it'll be "now go get two." And we'll be miserable until we get #2....and so on.

I would like to test this theory asap by winning the first one, but I can’t agree.

 

I think a small minority of folks would grumble about multiple rings. The large majority would be quite pleased.