If you are cutting Hamlin, do it now...

[muppy]

20 hours ago, QCity said:

McD is too emotionally invested in him to cut him unfortunately.

if this is true mcDermott has no business making those decisions. based on "like" *shudders**

 

It's a BUSINESS and not an always lovey dovey one

 

Backup safety spot or cut we will know soon enough.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

20 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Say what you will About him, but at least the guy plays and isn’t out injured every other game. 

Thank you. Durability is king 👑 Plus it never hurts having a guy who’s knows this defense inside & out. He’s certainly a liability out there, but what backup isn’t? If he was good, he would be starting. I don’t think they should cut him, but I’m not going to act like I’ll lose huge amounts of sleep over it either. 

[buffblue]

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Thank you. Durability is king 👑 Plus it never hurts having a guy who’s knows this defense inside & out. He’s certainly a liability out there, but what backup isn’t? If he was good, he would be starting. I don’t think they should cut him, but I’m not going to act like I’ll lose huge amounts of sleep over it either. 

Not to pick on you because you're hardly the only one but the "he knows the defense" argument fails to hold water. What difference does it make if he is in position to make a play if he is incapable of doing it? Hamlin is a brutally bad football player

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

20 hours ago, Joe Marino said:

I’ll say this about him. He does not contribute to winning.

Ravens playoff game?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

12 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I am not giving up on Bishop yet based on a preseason game. For a rookie, he played reasonably well down the stretch last season and, after a poor start, definitely got better over the course of it. 

People were talking the EXACT same way about Terrell Bernard like they do with Bishop now. According to this forum, Bernard was a bust and the Bills were screwed bc they had no one to replace Edmunds. Back in the day, player development was a commonly understood concept. Now it’s all about instant gratification. 

[buffblue]

1 minute ago, Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin said:

Ravens playoff game?

Yeah wow he blitzed and tackled the quarterback when he was off balance because of a bad snap. What an incredible play

[stevestojan]

Our backup RB is a better kicker than our backup safety is a safety. 
 

We are going to get absolutely torched over the middle of the field if we don’t make a move. But I don’t think we’re getting much for our Hallmark Movie of the Week. So we’d have to move someone else. 

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

3 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Yeah wow he blitzed and tackled the quarterback when he was off balance because of a bad snap. What an incredible play

it was a really nice play on an elusive quarterback, he made a tackle most wouldnt and yes got lucky with the fumble but if he didnt cause i dont know who did.  no need to be so salty 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

12 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Not to pick on you because you're hardly the only one but the "he knows the defense" argument fails to hold water. What difference does it make if he is in position to make a play if he is incapable of doing it? Hamlin is a brutally bad football player

Hamlin doesn’t let guys burn him over the top. He’s around the ball constantly evidenced by his 90 combined tackles, he just doesn’t have the athleticism to make too many plays on the ball.
 

I thought last year was his best one? People who say he didn’t have game changing plays are lying. He even had them in the playoffs (1 sack, 1 FF, 2 TFL.)

 

What more can you ask of a backup ? Don’t cut him just because he isn’t starting material.  

[buffblue]

1 minute ago, Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin said:

it was a really nice play on an elusive quarterback, he made a tackle most wouldnt and yes got lucky with the fumble but if he didnt cause i dont know who did.  no need to be so salty 

Not trying to be salty. Just trying to give a clear eyed assessment of a player's capabilities. The play fell into his lap and good on him for taking advantage, but Lamar should have protected the football. A blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

17 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Thank you. Durability is king 👑 Plus it never hurts having a guy who’s knows this defense inside & out. He’s certainly a liability out there, but what backup isn’t? If he was good, he would be starting. I don’t think they should cut him, but I’m not going to act like I’ll lose huge amounts of sleep over it either. 

Agreed. Most important attribute in a football player is “availability.” People can rip Hamlin, but isn’t the problem with the other guys who are supposed to be ahead of him?

[Joe Marino]

3 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Hamlin doesn’t let guys burn him over the top. He’s around the ball constantly evidenced by his 90 combined tackles, he just doesn’t have the athleticism to make too many plays on the ball.
 

I thought last year was his best one? People who say he didn’t have game changing plays are lying. He even had them in the playoffs (1 sack, 1 FF, 2 TFL.)

 

What more can you ask of a backup ? Don’t cut him just because he isn’t starting material.  

That’s because he sits back there in his lawn chair and allows anybody to catch anything thrown in front of him. And then he proceeds to get burned further because he can’t make a tackle after he allows the catch. He’s a matador…. but ‘he never gets burned over the top’ lol.

[Cubanmist 1]

Agreed

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Just now, Joe Marino said:

That’s because he sits back there in his lawn chair and allows anybody to catch anything thrown in front of him. And then he proceeds to get burned further because he can’t make a tackle after he allows the catch. He’s a matador…. but ‘he never gets burned over the top’ lol.

Can’t tackle yet had the 3rd most tackles last year. Are you familiar at all with what kind of defense McDermott employs? It’s a bend don’t break that usually gives up massive yards and then stiffens up in the red zone. It also makes teams work for their yards with longer drives while banking on them making a mistake. Not my favorite philosophy, but it’s the one we run and Hamlin is a good fit as a BACKUP. 

[thenorthremembers]

21 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

There will be an incredible amount of emotion around cutting Hamlin.  He's just terrible and its obvious he needs to go.  He's a wonderful survival story and he turned a terrible near tragedy into an amazing positive national story and education opportunity.  It's time to move on though.  Bills can not afford the distraction of cutting him after the next game and in the leadup to week 1.  Do it tomorrow or Tuesday.  Then start working the phones and move a reserve OL for a backup safety that at least belongs in the NFL.  

 

You dont cut a guy who has 27 starts for your defense when the guy in front of him hasnt proven he can start in the league.   Damar is poor in coverage, but he can play the run.   Unless there is somebody better in free agency you dont cut him until you are sure someone better is getting cut from another roster. 

 

The Raiders have a few players to watch.   Thomas Harper and Terrell Edmunds are both decent depth players who may be cut.   Thats kind of where we are at if you cut Damar. 

Edited August 19 by thenorthremembers

[Brand J]

30 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

You dont cut a guy who has 27 starts for your defense when the guy in front of him hasnt proven he can start in the league.   Damar is poor in coverage, but he can play the run.   Unless there is somebody better in free agency you dont cut him until you are sure someone better is getting cut from another roster. 

 

The Raiders have a few players to watch.   Thomas Harper and Terrell Edmunds are both decent depth players who may be cut.   Thats kind of where we are at if you cut Damar. 

Damar cannot play the run. I have visions of Derek Henry, Jonathan Taylor, and Breece Hall moving past him like he was stuck in mud. Only Rapp cleaned up the Hall mistakes (after a chunk of yardage given up). Every time in these instances Hamlin was there but couldn’t affect the play.

[Paup 1995MVP]

16 hours ago, boyst said:

... If you can replace him with a better player but Cole Bishop isn't there yet.

 

I trust Hamlin over Bishop.

The sad thing is you’re right.  Bishop looks absolutely clueless on the field.  
 

Hamlin understands the game.  But just can’t move fast enough 

 

The truth of the matter is that Hancock a 5th round pick has the most physical ability of any safety in the Bills roster including Rapp.  (Who would probably not start for half the teams in the NFL-but is at least solid, a Poyer light who knocks everyone out around him including himself )

 

Real bad indictment on the Bills front office with this group of safeties.  

[HappyDays]

I'm going to be the only Bills fan totally unconcerned about the safety position when the season starts. I will die on this hill. It's the easiest position on the defense to hide which is why I never liked the idea of drafting one high last year. If Bishop continues to be a liability, they'll put Hamlin out there and we'll be fine. He's slow and he's a mediocre tackler but he goes where he's supposed to and that's 80% of the job. KC had an elite defense last year with Bryan Cook as one of their starters and he wasn't any better than Hamlin. We need our DL to be a lot better than last year, we need our CB2 to be an improvement on Rasul Douglas, and we need Milano to stay healthy. If all of those things happen Hamlin will be functional and we'll barely notice that he's out there.

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, QCity said:

 

He is not a below average starter. That "using him in a way" you describe means blowing out teams like the Jags, Titans, Jets, etc and forcing them into a 1-dimensional offense. When he's in prevent/dime he can be somewhat serviceable as his athletic limitations can be masked. That won't happen against the top AFC teams in the playoffs - they will target him.

Like I said, his play hovers between average to below average.  He started 14 games last season and he wasn’t really a liability.  He doesn’t have any “Kair Elam games” on his resume

[Paup 1995MVP]

15 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I appreciate what he went through and his story, but he sucks on the field, and truthfully he want that good before that night in Cincinnati. 

 

Buffalo has to stop with the feel good stories, and put the best guys on the field  amd he isnt one of them

Safety and WR.  Samuel and Moore need to go

 

15 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I appreciate what he went through and his story, but he sucks on the field, and truthfully he want that good before that night in Cincinnati. 

 

Buffalo has to stop with the feel good stories, and put the best guys on the field  amd he isnt one of them

Safety and WR.  Samuel and Moore need to go

I agree about Samuel and Moore.  They both won’t make much of a difference and our too small.  Keep Wilkerson Shavers and Chennault.  Put Hamler on the Practice squad. At least we have some size then.  And get rid of Davidson.  My goodness he is bad.   
 

As for safety you can’t have that bad a position group and hope to contend for the Super Bowl.  The deep middle. is always going to be open.

 

And what about CB2 ?  If Tre is done which could be very true, who else plays there if Hairston isn’t ready.  Strong looks lost.  Jackson is so done.  And do we feel good about Ingram?  
 

The secondary is looking very iffy all around right now.