Good lord, how far we’ve come…

[Rigotz]

2 hours ago, Roundybout said:

In fairness, wasn’t Lynch on his way out of here? 

Yeah, I thought about this. Sure, Marshawn was on his way out and traded 6 months after the Spiller draft pick… when every franchise knew we would move him, thus tanking his value.

 

How about this, though? Fred Jackson signed a 4 year contract extension the year before Spiller was drafted (2009) and looked great.

 

Even if we were calling Marshawn irrelevant, using the #9 pick on an RB when you just gave a big extension to another good RB is dumpster fire franchise mentality.

Edited August 14 by Rigotz

[T.E.]

1 minute ago, Rigotz said:

Even if we were calling Marshawn irrelevant, using the #9 pick on an RB when you just gave a big extension to another good RB is dumpster fire franchise mentality.

We became enamored of "can't miss" skill position guys while neglecting the lines. Typical trap for poorly-run NFL teams.

[HOUSE]

Marshawn Lynch was a bad driver

That move was to save lives

[T.E.]

20 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Lynch had 2 incidents in Buffalo.   He had another incident in Seattle early on, but after that, he seems to have stayed on the straight and narrow. 

 

I saw Lynch play at Cal, and he was the "fun-loving Skittles guy" in college that he later showed in his commercials but he lost that fun-loving personality under Dick Jauron's coaching.  My guess is that Lynch's personality didn't sit all that well with Jauron, and Lynch cared too much about winning to be happy playing Jauron's "play not to lose by too much" brand of football.   I think that led to his getting into trouble off the field, and landed him in Jauron's "dog house" -- ie, not playing much -- on the field.

Lynch had incidents at both Cal and after he played for Seattle.

[dayman]

16 minutes ago, T.E. said:

We became enamored of "can't miss" skill position guys while neglecting the lines. Typical trap for poorly-run NFL teams.

 Since 2000 the best qb we drafted other than Josh was Nathan Peterman. So there is that…

 

here’s the list: https://thelistwire.usatoday.com/story/sports/2025/01/19/quarterbacks-buffalo-bills-2024-nfl-draft-josh-allen/77832309007/

 

insane

Edited August 14 by dayman

[SoTier]

Just now, dayman said:

 Since 2000 the best qb we drafted other than Josh was Nathan Peterman. So there is that…

 

Excuse me, but no way.  JP Losman and even "Tentative Trent" Edwards were light-years better than Peterman.   EJ Manuel was marginally better.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

This post encouraged me to watch CJ Spiller highlights. He would’ve been a good complementary player on a decent team. Just wasn’t what we needed at the time, especially from a first round draft choice. 

He had no vision

[dayman]

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Excuse me, but no way.  JP Losman and even "Tentative Trent" Edwards were light-years better than Peterman.   EJ Manuel was marginally better.

Maybe Trent, they’re sort of opposites. EJ and JP were definitely not better. Btw, to be clear, I’m in no way arguing that Peterson was ever even capable of playing NFL football just that the rest of the list was also incapable. At least Nate let it rip and made some plays.

[T.E.]

1 minute ago, dayman said:

Maybe Trent, they’re sort of opposites. EJ and JP were definitely not better. Btw, to be clear, I’m in no way arguing that Peterson was ever even capable of playing NFL football just that the rest of the list was also incapable. At least Nate let it rip and made some plays.

LOL, Losman's only piece of his repertoire that was above-average was a bomb. He definitely let it rip more than Peterman. 

 

Edwards was a victim of the "play not to lose" mentality of Jauron. I know the popular opinion was that his concussion in Arizona ruined him, but he won a big game the next week against a good San Diego team.

[dayman]

5 minutes ago, T.E. said:

LOL, Losman's only piece of his repertoire that was above-average was a bomb. He definitely let it rip more than Peterman. 

 

Edwards was a victim of the "play not to lose" mentality of Jauron. I know the popular opinion was that his concussion in Arizona ruined him, but he won a big game the next week against a good San Diego team.

Peterman was a gamer I will always respect the guy. He balled when he wasn’t throwing multiple picks, but hey those picks didn’t stop him from throwing more picks! Not even after literally being historically bad in the 5 picks in the 1st half game! He’s the only QB on that list I felt like really tried to be the guy—he just wasn’t the guy. For the record, I think Josh did the exact same thing and just so happened to be the guy (and learn from picks).

Edited August 14 by dayman

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

My friends were chatting about the “dark ages” and the CJ Spiller draft came up.
 

Most of you will recall, the team already had Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson on the roster, with about a billion other holes. Despite this, new Bills GM Buddy Nix selected CJ Spiller 9th overall. A few months later, he flipped Marshawn for a fourth round and conditional fifth round pick.

 

So… I went down a rabbit hole, curious how egregious team building like this could even happen.

And I present to you, Buddy Nix’s introductory Press Conference:

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/buddy-nix-named-general-manager-1002411

Compare this to our current operation. Yes, Josh has elevated the franchise, but there’s more to Buffalo’s rise than just one man. It’s refreshing to look back and see the difference.

 

(Before anyone says anything, my apologies for slandering Ralph. We are forever grateful to the man who created the team we all love!)

 

Now let's get rid of everyone.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Jerry Butler says hold my beer.

His last year in the league, I wasn't even 2 years old yet. My bad.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Not gonna lie, I was excited when we drafted Spiller. We don't seem to do well with Clemson players. Spiller, Watkins, Shaq Lawson.

Perry Tuttle

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Perry Tuttle

I wasn't born yet when he played. Didn't seem to do much with the bills according to the interwebs.

[K-9]

11 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

His last year in the league, I wasn't even 2 years old yet. My bad.

No worries. 

[Buffalo03]

This is why I tell anyone who screams for Beane and McDermott to be fired, we could easily be right back in the mess that preceeded them. I get they haven't won a Super Bowl. I understand where their critics are coming from but I would much rather have the competence we have had for nearly the last decade even if we never win one than go back to the nearly 2 decades before it. 

[vincec]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

And then when he got back from his 3 game suspension he was being outplayed by FredEx.  

He had already been hit with a 3 game suspension.  The next one was going to be a big one.

Marshawn was definitely on his way out. McD would’ve dumped him even sooner. The problem was taking Spiller when they had Jackson on the roster. Just grab a complimentary back on the second or third day and use the #9 overall on something important. Crazy drafting.

[Roundybout]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

Yeah, I thought about this. Sure, Marshawn was on his way out and traded 6 months after the Spiller draft pick… when every franchise knew we would move him, thus tanking his value.

 

How about this, though? Fred Jackson signed a 4 year contract extension the year before Spiller was drafted (2009) and looked great.

 

Even if we were calling Marshawn irrelevant, using the #9 pick on an RB when you just gave a big extension to another good RB is dumpster fire franchise mentality.

 

Yeah, and we did it through the 80s too with Booker Moore, Greg Bell, and Ronnie Harmon. 

[Old Coot]

I recall reading about the Spiller pick at the time that Ralph liked him. He was thought to be an exciting back who would put butts in the stadium seats.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

With all due respect OP, I think you are grossly underestimating the effect Allen has had on this franchise.  If Cleveland or the Jets take Allen, then McD and Beane are out of a job several years ago.  They did everything to position themselves to get a QB and with Darnold or the wrong Josh both of these fine men would have been given the boot a long time ago.