Cook signed👀 - 4 / 48 / 30 mil guaranteed

[PromoTheRobot]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

My abstract point was, using hindsight, packaging our 2 1sts to trade UP for a WR would have been better than what we got. 

 

 

Someone has to want to trade you their first to make a deal. Just saying it doesn't make it happen. 31 other teams aren't doing you any favors.

[Búfalo Blanco]

31 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

It was obviously made in jest, so who needs to lighten up?🤷‍♂️

No the response nor the reactions were in jest... Some here are just overtly sensitive... but nice try... 🤷‍♂️

[Augie]

37 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

Never a doubt

 

Words never to be spoken by Bills fans until some kind of buzzer has gone off and the clock reads 0:00. 

 

I remember warning my kids it wasn’t over in a certain Music City Fiasco, and that was a lesson learned the hard way for them. 

 

 

But yeah, I expected a deal after the Chargers helped clarify the market for Mr Cook and his agent…… maybe even his brother. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Someone has to want to trade you their first to make a deal. Just saying it doesn't make it happen. 31 other teams aren't doing you any favors.

 

Sure, that's the classic line.

 

But in one of those situations we traded up to get Kincaid, and in 2024 there were a ton of trades in the back half of the draft. The Jags picked BTJ at 23 after trading back with the Vikes who wanted to trade up.

 

There were plenty of deals made. We just went the wrong way.

[extrahammer]

I'm just glad the drama is over. He comes across very coachable so it wouldn't surprise me to see him continuing to improve this year. 

[K-9]

The Bills fans’ penchant for lamenting players we never had well after the fact will never cease to amaze me. 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Someone has to want to trade you their first to make a deal. Just saying it doesn't make it happen. 31 other teams aren't doing you any favors.

 

Fans make it sound so simple and easy. I’ve never played Madden or anything, maybe that’s where that comes from. It takes two to Tango. 

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

35 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I love this team, but drafting weapons for Josh has not been exactly Brandon Beane’s forte.

I see a lot of disagreements not a single counter point. Typical.

 

Kincaid is on bust trajectory as of right now. Can he change that, absolutely, but the odds aren’t in his favor at this point.

 

Coleman failed to impress, especially compared to all the guys I mentioned drafted around him. Sorry, I know, people are big on the hopium this time of year so the truth doesn’t really jibe with the vibe, I get it.

 

Beane has routinely bypassed quality WRs and the only WR he has drafted in 7 years who is a quality NFL player and overplayed his draft status is Khalil Shakir. That’s it. 
I understand he has built a great O L, not taking that away from him.

Point still remains, when it comes to DRAFTING WRs and apparently pass catching TE’s, it’s not what he does best.

 

Im glad he resigned Cook however, and the fact that when he does get it right, he makes sure those guys stay in Buffalo. I just wish he got the WR position right, or tried to address it more often, rather than say taking Cody Ford ahead of AJ Brown and/or DK Metcalf.  That one always gets me because they took Knox the next round so they clearly were scouting Ole Miss.

 

And while some want to point to the Diggs trade, at the end of the day, is this team better off for it? The fact that best WR in football was taken with that pick? The ensuing drama? The wasted dead cap remedying that drama?

Edited Wednesday at 08:14 PM by Delete_Delete_Delete

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Fans make it sound so simple and easy. I’ve never played Madden or anything, maybe that’s where that comes from. It takes two to Tango. 

 

We literally traded up for Kincaid in one scenario, and traded back for Coleman in the other. Plenty of deals being made. Especially back half of the 1st round.

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Someone has to want to trade you their first to make a deal. Just saying it doesn't make it happen. 31 other teams aren't doing you any favors.

Teams move up and down the draft board all the time, especially in the late 1st. You think teams are just icing out the Bills? If Beane wanted to move up, he could have, especially with the extra 2 from the Diggs deal.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Sure, that's the classic line.

 

But in one of those situations we traded up to get Kincaid, and in 2024 there were a ton of trades in the back half of the draft. The Jags picked BTJ at 23 after trading back with the Vikes who wanted to trade up.

 

There were plenty of deals made. We just went the wrong way.

 

The point is, none of us know what deals were to be made. I won’t assume the worst and cast blame when I don’t know what was driving them and what the obstacles were. They may have tried and nobody was moving. That happens sometimes, just like sometimes people are more willing. People do things for their own reasons, not because we want them to. 

[Mat68]

27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

But we could at least start by packaging those 2 picks. Which in fairness means we're looking at the WRs in the 2023 draft, not BTJ and 2024.

 

So 2023 #25 and our 2024 1st (which was #28).

 

Maybe we couldve moved up and got Zay Flowers or Jaxon Smith-Njigba.

 

I realize this. My point was packaging (at least) 2 picks to move up to get him. Would have been worth trading both those 1sts to get him imo, compared to what we ended up with.

 

Maybe, but BTJ has impressed on the crappy Jags with Lawrence throwing to him. Sky is the limit in Buffalo compared to that. Either way, just sayin...

2024 Lions moved back with Jax.  Cincy OT, Philly DB, Miami DE and Pitts OT all filled needs with perceived value. They going to 15 without a 3rd?  I doubt it.  Im not blown away by Flowers or JSN to think they are supremely more valuable than Kincaid.  TE is a notoriously difficult position to translate from college. Advance metrics are still favorable for him even though he has not been prolific.  If Keon plays like he did those few weeks pre injury I think none of this matters.  

Edited Wednesday at 08:15 PM by Mat68

[Augie]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We literally traded up for Kincaid in one scenario, and traded back for Coleman in the other. Plenty of deals being made. Especially back half of the 1st round.

 

So, what we have established is that we have at least three different scenarios. 

[Sojourner]

Perfect amount. Congrats to Cook!

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The point is, none of us know what deals were to be made. I won’t assume the worst and cast blame when I don’t know what was driving them and what the obstacles were. They may have tried and nobody was moving. That happens sometimes, just like sometimes people are more willing. People do things for their own reasons, not because we want them to. 

 

Sure. And for the record, Im not assuming the worst or saying its a huge problem and folks need to be fired. It's just offseason discussion.

 

The team is pretty good, so we dont get the chance at those in-depth armchair-GM discussions we used to have through the drought.

 

Its just for fun.

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

So, what we have established is that we have at least three different scenarios. 

 

32 scenarios a round! At least!

[PromoTheRobot]

18 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

I see a lot of disagreements not a single counter point. Typical.

 

Kincaid is on bust trajectory as of right now. Can he change that, absolutely, but the odds aren’t in his favor at this point.

 

Coleman failed to impress, especially compared to all the guys I mentioned drafted around him. Sorry, I know, people are big on the hopium this time of year so the truth doesn’t really jibe with the vibe, I get it.

 

Beane has routinely bypassed quality WRs and the only WR he has drafted in 7 years who is a quality NFL player and overplayed his draft status is Khalil Shakir. That’s it. 
I understand he has built a great O L, not taking that away from him.

Point still remains, when it comes to DRAFTING WRs and apparently pass catching TE’s, it’s not what he does best.

 

Im glad he resigned Cook however, and the fact that when he does get it right, he makes sure those guys stay in Buffalo. I just wish he got the WR position right, or tried to address it more often, rather than say taking Cody Ford ahead of AJ Brown and/or DK Metcalf.  That one always gets me because they took Knox the next round so they clearly were scouting Ole Miss.

 

And while some want to point to the Diggs trade, at the end of the day, is this team better off for it? The fact that best WR in football was taken with that pick? The ensuing drama? The wasted dead cap remedying that drama?

 

Maybe Beane should check players Madden ratings? 😂

19 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

Teams move up and down the draft board all the time, especially in the late 1st. You think teams are just icing out the Bills? If Beane wanted to move up, he could have, especially with the extra 2 from the Diggs deal.

 

You can make any deal if you're willing to overpay.

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'm totally with you on points 4 and 5. It isnt for lack of trying to get Josh weapons. We just cant seem to get the right ones.

 

My abstract point was, using hindsight, packaging our 2 1sts to trade UP for a WR would have been better than what we got. And also keeping in mind we traded UP for Kincaid.

 

Even though it's hindsight, it still supports a lot of posters who were banging the table for a LEGIT WR like BTJ. Not a TE turned WR, and not a basketball player turned WR.

 

 

Dont get me wrong, I am with you on BTJ, was all over BTJ in that draft was hoping for a trade up as well as I knew the big 3 were not realistic. But as much as I liked him, he did still have some question marks.  I had him as WR4 and Ladd as WR5 going into that draft, I was high on both, but I also liked Keon who I had just behind them.  

 

But there is a lot more that goes into those decisions to trade up/down or not at all.  And in that draft, we were without a 3rd, just moved off some long term starters, vets and leaders on the team do to age and cap.  The Bills were in a mini-retool year, and the FO even said as much.  So entering that draft they were looking to maximize their picks and try and get back some as well.  So its not so cut and dry to come back later and say "they should have traded up for this guy", not to mention, you need a willing trade partner to agree on a trade, and one you are good with too.  

 

And when we got Kincaid the Bills tried to trade up with the Charges who started the WR run, but they were set on Q and were not interested in moving back.  And the belief was they were after Addison, so for all we know they did try and get a WR but settled for Kincaid when their guy was gone and moved up to assured themselves they got him.

 

So its not so easy or always so cut and dry to say they should have done this or that either

 

 

[HOUSE]

Oh boy...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/james-cook-contract-analyst-heavily-bashes-bills-extension-for-pro-bowl-rb

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, HOUSE said:

Oh boy...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/james-cook-contract-analyst-heavily-bashes-bills-extension-for-pro-bowl-rb

 

Who tf is Walter Cherepinsky? And has anyone seen him and @SoonerBillsFan in the same room?

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Oh boy...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/james-cook-contract-analyst-heavily-bashes-bills-extension-for-pro-bowl-rb

 

Anytime someone says they can find a RB as good as Cook "easily and cheaply" tells me they play too much Madden