Who is the worst franchise QB in the NFL?

[FireChans]

I always find this discussion really interesting. Most fans of the NFL agree with their top 5-10 QB's, in varying orders.

 

We also all agree largely on the guys who stink or are just unknown.

 

But who is the new Andy Dalton or Derek Carr in the NFL?  The guy who is the "last' of the franchise QBs.

 

IMO, some of the contenders are:

 

Geno

Purdy

Tua

Baker

Lawrence

[buffblue]

Dak for sure with that contract

[Kirby Jackson]

Man, that’s not fair to Baker. He’s coming off 4,500 yards and 41 TDs. He had 4,000 and 28 TDs the prior year. Him being suggested makes me uncomfortable. 
 

To answer the question, I think Tua, Lawrence and Darnold are the guys that would qualify. It’s tough to want to move on from them but you don’t win because of them IMO. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Man, that’s not fair to Baker. He’s coming off 4,500 yards and 41 TDs. He had 4,000 and 28 TDs the prior year. Him being suggested makes me uncomfortable. 
 

To answer the question, I think Tua, Lawrence and Darnold are the guys that would qualify. It’s tough to want to move on from them but you don’t win because of them IMO. 

Baker has been awesome, but I don't think it's a slight or unfair to say that QB's worse than him aren't worth paying/aren't franchise.  Heck, Baker took 19th best QB in the NFL money just last year. 

 

You can be better than Derek Carr or Andy Dalton and still be the last of the franchise QBs.  It just means the tide has risen imo. 

 

Darnold feels like he's not it because his career is filled with very bad years.  He's more of a 1 year wonder than a franchise QB at this point imo. 

[MJS]

Baker Mayfield? He is a legit QB. He doesn't belong with those others.

[RobbRiddick]

That's a good question. But to get there you have to decide how many true franchise QBs there are. I mean how many guys would you say "here is a player you could take and build a team around and him being on the field will get you X amount of extra wins"?

 

Obviously Mahomes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow. Then some of the younger guys possibly who still aren't fully proven like Bo and Daniels. But there are plenty of guys with franchise QB contracts I don't consider true franchise QBs. A few older vets like Stafford.

 

Dak to me is the one that comes to mind. Plenty of people love him, and when he's on he's great but so often I see him and think he's pretty pedestrian. Goff has been great the last few years but is he really a franchise QB? I love Baker and defended him a lot here when people were writing him off but again, not sure he's true franchise QB material.

 

Lawrence is in no way shape or form a franchise QB, other than his contract. Tua actually proved something when you see how bad that offense is without him. He's a system QB who runs that system perfectly in the right conditions but we all know what happens in bad weather and when he has to improvise. He's like a comedian who is great when he's sticking to a script someone else has written but goes to pieces when he has to ad lib. 

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by RobbRiddick

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Baker Mayfield? He is a legit QB. He doesn't belong with those others.

The point of the conversation is that the last guy is supposed to be legit and a franchise QB.

[Gregg]

Justin Fields

[Captain Hindsight]

Baker doesn't deserve to be on that list.

 

Lawrence is the worst to me. He has had 1 "good" season and has sucked otherwise. He is living off that potential since he was drafted.

 

Last year he had 11 Tds and 7 Ints in 10 games. That's replacement-level backup QB play. Trubisky, everyone's whipping boy here, never had that poor a ratio in Chicago.

 

Cooper Rush had 12 Tds to 5 INTs last season to put that in perspective 

 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Baker doesn't deserve to be on that list.

 

Lawrence is the worst to me. He has had 1 "good" season and has sucked otherwise. He is living off that potential since he was drafted.

 

Last year he had 11 Tds and 7 Ints in 10 games. That's replacement-level backup QB play. Trubisky, everyone's whipping boy here, never had that poor a ratio in Chicago.

 

Cooper Rush had 12 Tds to 5 INTs last season to put that in perspective 

 

Do you think Lawrence is franchise?

[MJS]

12 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The point of the conversation is that the last guy is supposed to be legit and a franchise QB.

I think he is a top 5 or 6 QB.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Do you think Lawrence is franchise?

I don't, but he is paid like one 

[Special K]

Tua Turntheballova for sure.

 

Weak arm......made of glass.....too small.....one head shot away from his brain being swiss cheese.

 

Dak is overrated because he is on the Cowboys......if he was on any other team, he would hardly be mentioned, IMO.

Edited 3 hours ago by Special K

[Process]

19 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The point of the conversation is that the last guy is supposed to be legit and a franchise QB.

You can easily make the case that Baker is the 5th best QB in the NFL...

 

It's hard to answer your question without a clear definition of franchise QB. I don't believe Geno Smith is one, for example. 

[Mango]

30 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Baker has been awesome, but I don't think it's a slight or unfair to say that QB's worse than him aren't worth paying/aren't franchise.  Heck, Baker took 19th best QB in the NFL money just last year. 

 

You can be better than Derek Carr or Andy Dalton and still be the last of the franchise QBs.  It just means the tide has risen imo. 

 

Darnold feels like he's not it because his career is filled with very bad years.  He's more of a 1 year wonder than a franchise QB at this point imo. 

 

I think Baker is a top 10 QB. The problem here might be who we are considering franchise QB's. For me it is any QB that a franchise has or will hitch their wagons to with a fresh contract. So I don't have Caleb Williams but I do have Jayden Daniels. It doesn't mean Caleb won't be one. But he isn't right now. 

 

If you think there are only 10 franchise QB's, then sure, maybe. But if you think there are 15 or so it isn't really close. Absolutely not. 

 

Rough order for me
Allen
Mahomes

Lamar

Burrow
Hurts

Stafford

Daniels

Baker
Stroud 
Purdy
Love

Lawrence
Dak

Tua 
Murray
 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Mango

[FireChans]

Just now, Process said:

You can easily make the case that Baker is the 5th best QB in the NFL...

 

It's hard to answer your question without a clear definition of franchise QB. I don't believe Geno Smith is one, for example. 

It can be your own definition. You can think the worst guy worth franchise QB money. The worst guy who can lead a team to a Superbowl. Whatever. 

 

The only way to get this answer wrong is to name a player you don't think is a franchise QB, like everyone is doing lol. 

 

You can say "Dak Prescott is a franchise QB but he's flawed because X, Y and Z, and that's why he's the worst franchise QB"

 

You have missed the point if you say "My answer is Dak Prescott because he isn't a franchise QB."

[nuklz2594]

deshaun watson.....hands down

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I think Baker is a top 10 QB. The problem here might be who we are considering franchise QB's. For me it is any QB that a franchise has or will hitch their wagons to with a fresh contract. So I don't have Caleb Williams but I do have Jayden Daniels. It doesn't mean Caleb won't be one. But he isn't right now. 

 

If you think there are only 10 franchise QB's, then sure, maybe. But if you think there are 15 or so it isn't really close. Absolutely not. 

 

Rough order for me
Allen
Mahomes

Lamar

Burrow
Hurts

Stafford

Daniels

Baker
Stroud 
Purdy
Love

Lawrence
Dak

Tua 
Murray
 

 

I think Murray is actually the answer as the worst franchise QB in the NFL. I did forget to put him. 

 

To your list I would probably shuffle around Baker/Stroud which would put him near the bottom, (every other QB near there has been mentioned in this topic). 

[JP51]

1 minute ago, nuklz2594 said:

deshaun watson.....hands down

100% to me there is no competition between the acrimony he brings, the cap he takes up, never being available, and over all performance... this guy is a mike drop for worst franchise guy... 

[Logic]

Tua.

I simply don't believe that any team with Tua at QB is ever winning a championship.

Nothing in his late season or clutch time play history suggests to me that he could go toe-to-toe with the real QB heavyweights or carry his team to a championship.

I can more easily envision every QB on that list (including Geno Smith) winning a championship than I can Tua.

I'm not trying to be biased or be a jerk because he plays in our division. I just think he's the classic "just good enough to break your heart year after year" guy. Like Ryan Fitzpatrick but with less turnovers and less sense of humor.