PFF best players over 30

[Kirby Jackson]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-30-players-over-30-entering-2025-nfl-season-derrick-henry-t-j-watt

[CSBill]

Wondering if any Bills deserve consideration? No obvious people come to mind.

 

I was surprised to see Baker Mayfield on the list. He is that old, and two, he is ahead of Matt Stafford. I'm not sure I agree with the ladder.

 

And Diggs, I guess he has only had one bad season. But I'm not convinced he recovers and is any better this year.

[RoyBatty is alive]

14 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Wondering if any Bills deserve consideration? No obvious people come to mind.

 

I was surprised to see Baker Mayfield on the list. He is that old, and two, he is ahead of Matt Stafford. I'm not sure I agree with the ladder.

 

And Diggs, I guess he has only had one bad season. But I'm not convinced he recovers and is any better this year.

I thinks see Diggs belongs on this list.  The disparity between the top 15 guys and Diggs is epic.

[Kirby Jackson]

22 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Wondering if any Bills deserve consideration? No obvious people come to mind.

 

I was surprised to see Baker Mayfield on the list. He is that old, and two, he is ahead of Matt Stafford. I'm not sure I agree with the ladder.

 

And Diggs, I guess he has only had one bad season. But I'm not convinced he recovers and is any better this year.

Dawkins has a strong case imo

[BillsFan130]

33 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Wondering if any Bills deserve consideration? No obvious people come to mind.

 

I was surprised to see Baker Mayfield on the list. He is that old, and two, he is ahead of Matt Stafford. I'm not sure I agree with the ladder.

 

And Diggs, I guess he has only had one bad season. But I'm not convinced he recovers and is any better this year.

The Baker mayfield love has been crazy to me this off season.

 

I think Joe Marino had him as his 5th best QB in the league.

 

Baker is a good QB, but top 5 seems like a huge stretch IMO

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

The Baker mayfield love has been crazy to me this off season.

 

I think Joe Marino had him as his 5th best QB in the league.

 

Baker is a good QB, but top 5 seems like a huge stretch IMO

I don’t think he’s 5 but he’s certainly top 10. He might be more like 7. He had 4,500 yards and 41 TDs last year!! 

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think he’s 5 but he’s certainly top 10. He might be more like 7. He had 4,500 yards and 41 TDs last year!! 

Ya that's fair. He definitely puts up big numbers and he's coming off his best year. Numbers at times can be deceiving though. ( Tua as an example when he put up over 4600 yards one year )

 

But no way I would take him over Stafford, Hurts and Herbert. Then he's probably in the 8-12 range. (At least in my opinion)

[GunnerBill]

Yea a lot of that list I disagree with tbh.

 

Khalil Mack has been a better football player than Mike Evans for precisely zero days of their respective NFL careers. 

 

No place at all for Taylor Decker? Seriously? He is better than all but about 6 or 7 of those guys.

 

Geno is on the list but Dak Prescott isn't? Come on man. 

 

No Jalen Ramsey in the top 30? Behave. 

 

It's an atrocious list. If what they mean is "the 30 players over 30 with the highest PFF grades in 2024" they should... you know.... say that!

 

Oh and from a Bills perspective.... no Dion Dawkins???

 

Like there is a world where I could look at a list of 30, maybe, and not see Dion and understand it. But when Jake Matthews (who I like) and Grant Bolles (horribly overrated) both make it and Dion is better than both.... I can't understand it. Makes zero sense. 

 

I am generally a PFF defender and I subscribe to their advanced stats. But this is just horrible click bait designed to make fans foam at the mouth.

 

It worked.

Edited 3 hours ago by GunnerBill

[oldmanfan]

45 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Dawkins has a strong case imo

Agreed

[GunnerBill]

Oh Vita Vea is over 30 too. Missed him. 

 

Yea it's a garbage list.

[Matt_In_NH]

39 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

The Baker mayfield love has been crazy to me this off season.

 

I think Joe Marino had him as his 5th best QB in the league.

 

Baker is a good QB, but top 5 seems like a huge stretch IMO

41 td passes is impressive. I think he continually gets dinged for having a bad season when he played on a bum shoulder. He needs to perform in the playoffs to be top 5 though.  I think he has a better case than most assume. 

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya that's fair. He definitely puts up big numbers and he's coming off his best year. Numbers at times can be deceiving though. ( Tua as an example when he put up over 4600 yards one year )

 

But no way I would take him over Stafford, Hurts and Herbert. Then he's probably in the 8-12 range. (At least in my opinion)

The year before he put up over 4000 yards with 28 TDs and only 10 INTs. Over the last 2 years he averaged 4,277 yards, 35 TDs and 13 INTs. 
 

8-12 is fair. Daniels is in there somewhere as well. The guys that you named, along with Baker and Daniels is 5 through whatever (Stroud can get back there too).

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Dawkins has a strong case imo

Dawkins personality turns a lot of people off, unfairly.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The year before he put up over 4000 yards with 28 TDs and only 10 INTs. Over the last 2 years he averaged 4,277 yards, 35 TDs and 13 INTs. 
 

8-12 is fair. Daniels is in there somewhere as well. The guys that you named, along with Baker and Daniels is 5 through whatever (Stroud can get back there too).

 

Baker is similar to Goff IMO. People got an idea in their heads about him and no amount of proving it is shaking that perception for some 

[H2o]

Lists like this, for myself personally, help me to remember how quick an NFL career goes by, how quickly it seems the years end up behind us. I remember watching many of these guys in college, and talking about some of them when the draft was coming around. Now they're over 30, and most at or close to the tail end of their careers for the most part. 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

The Baker mayfield love has been crazy to me this off season.

 

I think Joe Marino had him as his 5th best QB in the league.

 

Baker is a good QB, but top 5 seems like a huge stretch IMO

 

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think Baker’s 5 but he’s certainly top 10. He might be more like 7. He had 4,500 yards and 41 TDs last year!! 

 

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

41 td passes is impressive. I think he continually gets dinged for having a bad season when he played on a bum shoulder. He needs to perform in the playoffs to be top 5 though.  I think he has a better case than most assume. 

 

In his career Baker's proved both that you're never as good and you're never as bad as people say you are... sometimes at the same time.

 

I also agree that lots of people are feeling guilty about brandishing pitchforks at him on his way out of Cleveland. The hate was really over the top. The shoulder injury coincided with when he was doing some pretty funny commercials for Progressive Insurance but the whole world decided he needed to STFU and lay low, ignoring that the commercials had already been shot and bought and that Baker had no control over them.

 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya that's fair. He definitely puts up big numbers and he's coming off his best year. Numbers at times can be deceiving though. ( Tua as an example when he put up over 4600 yards one year )

 

But no way I would take him over Stafford, Hurts and Herbert. Then he's probably in the 8-12 range. (At least in my opinion)

Hmm. I'd take Mayfield over Stafford, Hurts, and Herbert for sure. Stafford is old. I'd take him in his prime. Hurts is little more than a game manager who can run. He is good, but not a great QB. Mayfield can throw the ball much better than him. Herbert is just missing something. He is talented, but doesn't have that will to win. Baker Mayfield has that.

 

Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, and Burrow are all clearly the best QBs and in a tier above the rest, but then guys like Mayfield, Herbert, Stafford, and Hurts are in that 2nd tier and it just comes down to personal preference.

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Dawkins personality turns a lot of people off, unfairly.

Unpopular opinion, but let’s be honest, Dion is the epitome of “love him if he’s our guy, hate him if he’s on the other team.” Think about the clientele on this board, if Dawkins played for another team, he would be called obnoxious, overrated, he should just shut up, blah blah blah. We know him, we all love him, but yes, his personality definitely turns other fan bases off 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Baker is similar to Goff IMO. People got an idea in their heads about him and no amount of proving it is shaking that perception for some 

Interesting comparison.  Both need to prove it in the playoffs though.  Neither is as good as some people claim and neither is as bad as many state.  Solid QBs you can win with.  

[BillsFan130]

55 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hmm. I'd take Mayfield over Stafford, Hurts, and Herbert for sure. Stafford is old. I'd take him in his prime. Hurts is little more than a game manager who can run. He is good, but not a great QB. Mayfield can throw the ball much better than him. Herbert is just missing something. He is talented, but doesn't have that will to win. Baker Mayfield has that.

 

Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, and Burrow are all clearly the best QBs and in a tier above the rest, but then guys like Mayfield, Herbert, Stafford, and Hurts are in that 2nd tier and it just comes down to personal preference.

Interesting. I meant like for one year. If I had one year to win a SB, I would confidently take Stafford.

 

But you're right, there's a massive drop off after the top 4 and there's really not much of a difference from the 5th-12th QBs