Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[dave mcbride]

57 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

McDuffie is the best slot corner in football. He is literally the best player at his position. I don't know how that isn't elite. AJ Brown is a slam dunk too for me. I think he is severely underrated. For me the only two receivers better than him right now are Jefferson and Chase. 

 

On Carter you maybe have more of a case. That one might be slightly generous in terms of elite status. He is probably a tick below that right now but he is so darn talented. 

 

Anyone who thinks AJ Brown isn’t elite doesn’t watch much football.

[SoTier]

8 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

What good OT did you think they should have drafted instead of Moore or Worthy?

 

The Chiefs, as you may recall, traded a first round pick for Orlando Brown and won a Super Bowl with him.

 

I think it’s fair to say they know that OT is important.

 

It was a facetious response to a poster whom I saw as posting another ignorant post with no basis in fact.   That poster claimed Beane "didn't get it" because he kept drafting DLers and DBs while the Chiefs "got it" because they keep drafting WRs.   That's nonsense. 

 

Beane keeps drafting DLers because he hasn't hit on a real stud yet, and he takes DBs because the modern NFL requires having 5 starter quality DBs ... 2 outside CBs, 1 slot CB, and 2 Safeties, plus he missed on Elam.   Beane also traded a first and a fourth to get Diggs, so he obviously does understand the importance of WRs.

 

Conversely, the Chiefs keep drafting WRs because they really haven't hit on one since they parted company with Tyreek.  Rice had a good rookie campaign, but he only played 4 games in 2024 before getting injured, so he's still a question mark.   The Chiefs have also been drafting OTs recently because they haven't had a lot of success at filling that hole, including using second round picks (IIRC) in both 2024 and 2025 on OTs.

 

Both Beane and Veach "get it" in terms of the importance of various positions, but the draft is a crap shoot, and that's especially true where both teams have drafted in the past few years.

 

6 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

When was the last time Beane took a speed WR early in the draft? I think he has a type, and it's closer to Kelvin Benjamin than an elusive burner. Those folks who believe he is consistent with a Carolina philosophy for team building (Dline first, receivers normally excluded from first round consideration, preference for burly types) seem correct to me. And yet, they could have made a trade for Metcalf, and passed on him in the draft. So, he likes the slow, burly types.

 

Yes, some sarcasm, but not entirely undeserved. It might all still work out in the end. If it doesn't ultimately conclude with Josh Allen in a Bills' uniform hoisting the Lombardi, no amount of extenuating circumstances are going to excuse the failure; and if he wins, everything is forgiven/justified. If they don't win it this year, for me, Beane better focus like a laser on the lacuna in his team building strategy.

 

 

 

The Bills gave up a first and a fourth to get Diggs.  I think that qualifies as spending draft capital on "a speed WR early in the draft".

 

4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Beane didn't "screw up" anything with this pick as McConkey was never on the board. They've been chasing a big body physical player in Buffalo for 20 years and Beane has wanted one his whole tenure too. The goal was to get a guy for Josh who's open even when he's not open. It's the same reason we let KC trade for Worthy. That type of player didn't exist to our FO. It was likely Thomas, Coleman, and then Legette

 

That's a wild way to get at the wrong conclusion. He got the player he wanted for the role he wanted. He didn't want a speedster for that role, but he did want them for other roles.

 

I don't often agree with your takes, but you are dead on with both of these.  

 

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[appoo]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

If one restricts "elite" to 20 or 25 players league wide, that is just a semantic move, but it is also a way to diminish the difference between the Bills (a solid team with depth, but few players that can take over a game in a crucial moment of the playoffs, for example) and those teams that have won championships because they have multiple players on both sides of the ball that can do that.

 

Hopefully more players will emerge besides Josh Allen. There are candidates, though I don't see any at WR, for instance. 

I wasn’t saying that to defend the Bills. Buffalo has an above average roster who’s coaches and Josh Allen and oline managed to turn it into a great team that played well beyond its talent.

 

I like Beane but I have some doubt with him in how he’s managed the defensive side of the roster.

 

But I also don’t have an issue with a lack of “elite” players, because they’re consistently drafting after the 25th pick and to get elite players there is basically crap shoot 

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, appoo said:

I wasn’t saying that to defend the Bills. Buffalo has an above average roster who’s coaches and Josh Allen and oline managed to turn it into a great team that played well beyond its talent.

 

I like Beane but I have some doubt with him in how he’s managed the defensive side of the roster.

 

But I also don’t have an issue with a lack of “elite” players, because they’re consistently drafting after the 25th pick and to get elite players there is basically crap shoot 

Aj Brown is a top 5 WR. Barkley is the best running back in the NFL. Jalen Carter was a first team All Pro. Again, how does that compare to Shakir, Cook, and Oliver? That’s just 3 of the 6 Eagles players voted All Pro.

 

This is one of the worse takes I’ve seen on here in awhile. We have a thick “B” roster. Outside of that we might have 1 All Pro and the fact that nobody knows if it’s Brown, Cook, or Benford sort of speaks to how dominant they really are.  
 

We aren’t left to guess with the Eagles top 5. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Benford being what it is, is 100% luck. If our brilliant GM had any real clue what Benford would become Elam would have never been drafted.

And a smarter DC

I was just commenting on any elite talent on the roster.  Not how great or not Beane is.  
He has had his hits and misses.  I like the guys we drafted this year.  Love going heavy on defense.  Let’s hope they really can contribute in a big way this year, and for years to come.  
 

The Maize and Blue are coming to Norman week 2.  The Sooners gonna be ready?  We play some physical football on both sides of the ball. 

[appoo]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

Aj Brown is a top 5 WR. Barkley is the best running back in the NFL. Jalen Carter was a first team All Pro. Again, how does that compare to Shakir, Cook, and Oliver? That’s just 3 of the 6 Eagles players voted All Pro.

 

This is one of the worse takes I’ve seen on here in awhile. We have a thick “B” roster. Outside of that we might have 1 All Pro and the fact that nobody knows if it’s Brown, Cook, or Benford sort of speaks to how dominant they really are.  
 

We aren’t left to guess with the Eagles top 5. 

That’s all true but elite is a subjective question and even if I’m wrong, where did I say buffalo is remotely as talented as the Eagles roster?

 

And also Saquon and Carter were drafted in places where the bills never draft. Davonte Smith is as a top 10 dude. 
 

If you’re gonna call Mailata “elite” then why wouldn’t you call Dion Dawkins elite? 
 

I mean this team has averaged something like 12 wins for 5 years now and have won a playoff game in each of those years. They’ve been a model of consistently being great. 
 

EVEN THEN - I’m acknowledging that the bills defense is pretty lacking in top end talent other than Oliver (who when he’s on is an excellent 3T and one of the best in the game)

11 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I was just commenting on any elite talent on the roster.  Not how great or not Beane is.  
He has had his hits and misses.  I like the guys we drafted this year.  Love going heavy on defense.  Let’s hope they really can contribute in a big way this year, and for years to come.  
 

The Maize and Blue are coming to Norman week 2.  The Sooners gonna be ready?  We play some physical football on both sides of the ball. 

Michigan doesn’t have a QB yet, and still need to show it can get anything out of the perimeter player.  We‘ll see

if the transfer kid can do it, because if Underwood is starting that game it’s a problem. 
 

But you can bet their defense should be nasty

[SoonerBillsFan]

16 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I was just commenting on any elite talent on the roster.  Not how great or not Beane is.  
He has had his hits and misses.  I like the guys we drafted this year.  Love going heavy on defense.  Let’s hope they really can contribute in a big way this year, and for years to come.  
 

The Maize and Blue are coming to Norman week 2.  The Sooners gonna be ready?  We play some physical football on both sides of the ball. 

No. OU has the hardest schedule in the country and venables is going to get canned at the end of the season.

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

I mean this team has averaged something like 12 wins for 5 years now and have won a playoff game in each of those years. 

Name the best QB we have faced in our division outside of Tua, a guy that has lost like 70% of his starts vs winning teams. I don’t know what this statement is trying to prove. We are the best regular season team in football since 2020. Does that mean we have to an elite roster or are we accomplishing it with turnovers, MVP QB play, and a horrific division?

Edited 4 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

 

 

The Bills gave up a first and a fourth to get Diggs.  I think that qualifies as spending draft capital on "a speed WR early in the draft".

 

 

Diggs was a technician. He did not have superior speed, really. By itself, that one move does not equal properly investing in the position. I still think Beane needs to add draft capital early at WR on a regular basis, though the last draft was admittedly suited to filling evident needs on D. You're welcome to think differently. In any event, Diggs is not on the team now. Palmer is supposed to fill that role, I suppose. We're all hoping it works out.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Dr. Who

[Dr. Who]

52 minutes ago, appoo said:

I wasn’t saying that to defend the Bills. Buffalo has an above average roster who’s coaches and Josh Allen and oline managed to turn it into a great team that played well beyond its talent.

 

I like Beane but I have some doubt with him in how he’s managed the defensive side of the roster.

 

But I also don’t have an issue with a lack of “elite” players, because they’re consistently drafting after the 25th pick and to get elite players there is basically crap shoot 

It's harder, but other teams manage to do so. So far, Beane has not really drafted elite talent with the very important exception of Josh Allen. A few folks need to emerge to improve the odds of post-season success. I think the 2025 draft has some promise, though it will take time to reach that level obviously.

[Putin]

On 5/16/2025 at 9:18 PM, GASabresIUFan said:

By the way, Beane knows he blew the Coleman pick.  (40 4.61)

 

Since he made that pick, all the skill players on both sides of the ball have speed. 

 

At WR were have added Palmer (4.52 @ 6'1 210), Moore (4.35), and Prather (4.46),   

AT DB & S: Bishop (4.45), Forest (4.41), Hancock (4.42), Hairston (4.28), Strong (4.50)

 

 

Wasn’t Bishop drafted right after Coleman  ? It’s a good thing Bean knew right away that he blew the pick and went with speed with the next pick 

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[Doc]

Are people forgetting that AJ Brown and Barkley weren't even drafted by the Eagles?

 

55 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Name the best QB we have faced in our division outside of Tua, a guy that has lost like 70% of his starts vs winning teams. I don’t know what this statement is trying to prove. We are the best regular season team in football since 2020. Does that mean we have to an elite roster or are we accomplishing it with turnovers, MVP QB play, and a horrific division?

 

Name the best QB Brady faced in the division.

 

Never mind that that's just 6 games out of 16/17 and divisional opponents are built for each other meaning sweeping the division doesn't happen often.

[Mikie2times]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

Are people forgetting that AJ Brown and Barkley weren't even drafted by the Eagles?

 

 

Name the best QB Brady faced in the division.

 

Never mind that that's just 6 games out of 16/17 and divisional opponents are built for each other meaning sweeping the division doesn't happen often.

If we had one ring let alone enough to fill up nearly two hands we wouldn’t be talking about this. So I guess I don’t get the comparison. 

[RoscoeParrish]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

Are people forgetting that AJ Brown and Barkley weren't even drafted by the Eagles?

No, but that makes it sting more.

 

There are a lot of ways to get superstar talent.

 

Honestly, Beane has a pretty good philosophy. He LOVES high-ceiling guys in round one. Guys like Ed, Josh, Edmunds, Groot, even Elam, had All-Pro potential physically if they could reach it.  It’s just that outside of Josh, none of them have.

 

I think TBD would be very boring if one of those guys had hit their peaks, because we’d have one Super Bowl and there would be very little to complain about.

[pennstate10]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Chiefs currently have 3 - Mahomes, McDuffie and Jones. I don't think Kelce is anymore but at his peak may have been the greatest TE of all time.

 

The Eagles currently have 4 - AJ Brown, Barkley, Mailata and Carter. And both Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean will be in that category if they back up their rookie year in 2025.

AJ Brown and Barkley yes. Mailata and Carter aren’t elite. Neither is McDuffie.