Rank Allen’s receiving options

[LEBills]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Hard to call someone mid when they LED Tennessee in yards and catches in 2020

 

Every single offense is different I don't care if he had 500 yards or 1200 yards.. he was on an SEC team and was the leading receiver

 

There's literally 900 Plus FBS receivers.. he had the 40th best stats over his 4 years in college

 

That's in the 95th percentile.. far from mid if I'm just being honest

Yea I can’t speak to the cumulative stats, I don’t focus on them much because as you have stated offenses are usually very different in college.
 

His efficiency stats just were not very good in college.  A sub 2.0 yprr for his college career. And he was a later breakout player not leading his team in receiving until his age 21 season. Both buckets basically put you in a large cohort of players that have not succeeded in the NFL outside of DK Metcalf, Brian Thomas Jr and Terry McLaurin. Which Palmer is not exactly the physical specimens they are.

 

From an NFL efficiency standpoint and just as someone who has watched a lot of Palmer after having him on my fantasy team it seems every year when my main guys get hurt, I think others guys will have a better time contributing. I hope I’m wrong.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I think the offense will be best if Palmer and Kincaid are the top two targets. Shakir is a solid WR but the offense is too plodding when he is the focal point. Really want to see more intermediate to deep throws by Allen and use the entire field.

Next will probably be Moore. He should be more of a threat than Samuel. Samuel will be the 5th WR gadget guy. 

That leaves Coleman as the 4th WR. He may be the Hollins role and be out there on more running plays. Never liked the pick. Just don't believe he can get open against NFL corners.

I really like Knox but there just is not enough plays for him to get the ball often.  I thought he could be an elite TE but he never developed into a star. If Kimcaod is playing well Knox probably gets 15-20 receptions but might have 4 TDs. 

 

 

[BeastMaster]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Why so low on Palmer?  Maybe you’ve explained previously, but I missed it.  The guy knows how to get open.  I don’t why how anyone could out Keon over him (and I like Keon more than most).  Palmer is a MUCH better route while also being faster.  Similar hands

You either don't like Keon, or you overrate Palmer.

 

People can tell me that Palmer gets open all they want, but the production just isn't there, and him being pushed out of the starting lineup also speaks to him not being as good as you and others here claim.

 

I think Palmer is a bust signing by Beane and that his production will not justify the contract we gave him.

 

Keon has a much better chance of actually being more productive in this offense

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

His yards after catch top 5 NFL TEs..  average depth of target top 10... Top 20 ypc being banged up .. pff ranked him 6th overall TE

 

We have a very complicated offense that does not focus on one guy..  he had multiple stats in the top 10 TE being a second year guy

 

That's the problem with the NFL you take a guy first round that your team historically doesn't take in 60 years.. a tight end.. and people expect Tony Gonzalez out the gate 

 

He's literally been top 10 and he's only been in the league 2 years

Him being top 10 in some stats doesn’t prove that he and his QB are in sync…. He’s a talented TE.  I’m not disputing that…...

 

Watching the games last season, you thought Josh and Kincaid were on the same page?  I most certainly did not

[Pete]

Shakir

Palmer

Moore 

Samuels

Knox

Dalton

Coleman

 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So you think gelling is going to turn Palmer into what level of producer though?

 

I mean, I wouldn't be "shocked" if he averaged 50 yards receiving per game over 17 games but I think that's probably the higher end.   What's "most likely" is what I always say with these free agent signings..... that they finish with a season not far from their career norms.   Look at Mack Hollins.   Despite all the PT he got receiving the most snaps of any Bills WR......he put up just 378 yards.   His career range is mostly 200's with a high in the 600 range so falling in a bit south of 400 tracked.    

 

 

I think that’s higher end as well….for our offense.  A run first, spread the ball around to keep the defense off balance type offense. 
 

regarding Mack’s PT….he was in there to block more than he was to catch passes….no?  

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, BeastMaster said:

You either don't like Keon, or you overrate Palmer.

 

People can tell me that Palmer gets open all they want, but the production just isn't there, and him being pushed out of the starting lineup also speaks to him not being as good as you and others here claim.

 

I think Palmer is a bust signing by Beane and that his production will not justify the contract we gave him.

 

Keon has a much better chance of actually being more productive in this offense

I like Keon and I think Palmer is a good (far from great) outside WR.  A better outside target than Keon at the moment due to his ability to separate….whereas Keon doesn’t have much ability to get separation.  
 

I see Keon as a big Shakir with jump ball ability. Best in the slot but will play outside due to necessity.  Get him the ball and let him run passed/through the defenders.

 

its pretty obvious to me based on what you wrote, that you just dislike Palmer as a player.  So maybe you’re the one that is underrating Palmer.  I like Keon plenty….i just think he has to improve his route running to play outside full time. 

[BearNorth]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I think that’s higher end as well….for our offense.  A run first, spread the ball around to keep the defense off balance type offense. 
 

regarding Mack’s PT….he was in there to block more than he was to catch passes….no?  

Mack caught 31 balls 378 yards 12.2 ypc, so decent production for a 4th wr option. Comparable ypc to our group of TE's and RB's.

Led the team in TD catches, so Josh had confidence in him in the RZ.

[billsfan89]

10 hours ago, DJB said:

In other words they suck 

 

No not at all. Shakir is a top slot WR in the league, Kincaid/Knox are a top 10 TE combo in the league, All 3 RB's catch the ball well out of the backfield ensuring that the Bills always have a pass catcher out the backfield (Ty is one of the best third down backs in the league), Palmer and Samuel are quality veteran complementary WR's, Keon is coming off a solid but uneven rookie season and looks to grow more into a true consistent "WR2", and they brought in Moore as some additional veteran depth at WR who could be a nice complementary piece. 

 

The talent at WR/TE/RB is probably above league "average" but how it blends together to complement Josh and a beast of an offensive line is what makes the whole greater than the sum of its parts.  

[chris heff]

18 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

Im still confused why people think Moore is a better receiving option than Palmer.  The Bills have pretty clearly shown they think Palmer is much more of a priority.  Maybe it turns out that Moore > Palmer but going into the season the Bills clearly prefer Palmer.  

I think it’s the speed and the fact that Moore has played for bad teams with bad QBs. Palmer was playing with Justin Herbert. Moore can do something the Bills have been missing, which is consistently getting to the third level. His ability to do that will open up the field. Which means everyone gets to eat more. This offense could be really dangerous.