Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

7 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Don’t be surprised when he outperforms everybody’s expectations. He’s a very skilled route runner, he gets open, he’s got great hands and great footwork, and he’s fast as hell. That’s a hard yes for me.

I will be very surprised if that happens. Even if he is capable and of it, I know how it is to crack the lineup for this coach. He’s incredibly frustrating and acts like nobody new is ever ready. I don’t see him getting the opportunity to outperform 

[TheWeatherMan]

I’d prefer a starting safety over a potential #3, #4 or #5 WR.  Praying we’re not going into the season with the same starting safety tandem as last year 🤮. 

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I will be very surprised if that happens. Even if he is capable and of it, I know how it is to crack the lineup for this coach. He’s incredibly frustrating and acts like nobody new is ever ready. I don’t see him getting the opportunity to outperform 

Yes.  He was extremely hesitant to throw in Diggs, Beasley, Brown, E. Sanders, Hollins, and Coleman into the starting lineup because they were "new."  It's never been a mystery with McDermott.  He puts in the players that he feels gives him the best chance to win.  I'm guessing the offensive coordinator has the exact same philosophy.

[Richard Noggin]

17 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I will be very surprised if that happens. Even if he is capable and of it, I know how it is to crack the lineup for this coach. He’s incredibly frustrating and acts like nobody new is ever ready. I don’t see him getting the opportunity to outperform 

 

Bit hyperbolic innit

 

Doesn't hold up to rigorous scrutiny, although there's no doubt some players simply haven't "fit" for whatever reason yet have performed better elsewhere. Also no doubt some players who were afterthoughts elsewhere have famously shined with the Bills. It ain't easy, but we have to truly challenge our own conclusions when we're so emotionally invested and we don't have access to so much that happens behind closed doors. 

 

9 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

I’d prefer a starting safety over a potential #3, #4 or #5 WR.  Praying we’re not going into the season with the same starting safety tandem as last year 🤮. 

 

Rapp and Forrest with Bishop subbing in here and there? Best case with current position group?

Edited 14 hours ago by Richard Noggin

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

I’d prefer a starting safety over a potential #3, #4 or #5 WR.  Praying we’re not going into the season with the same starting safety tandem as last year 🤮. 

I feel okay with Rapp out there.  Not thrilled with the options at the other spot.  Banking on Bishop markedly improving is not a smart plan imo.  Safety is definitely our weakest position group in terms of both quality and depth. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Doc Brown

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Hollins made plays but he wasn't exactly a tough matchup for CB's in man coverage.  He was ranked 87th of 99 WR's that qualified in terms of receiving ability according to PFF FWIW.  

Moore was ranked 92nd on PFF...FWIW

[NeverOutNick]

45 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

I’d prefer a starting safety over a potential #3, #4 or #5 WR.  Praying we’re not going into the season with the same starting safety tandem as last year 🤮. 

I do agree that safety was our biggest blunder on D last year but I’m hopeful Hamlin is just a PR stunt for the upcoming hallmark movie and he’s cut and given a job doing something else for the bills. Hancock looks like he has FS skills. I’m hopeful bishop takes the leap and Forrest and/or Hancock thrill the coaches and Rapp is just a backup. I like Rapp but his heat seeking missile antics has been a big problem with friendly fire injuries (see Benford injury)

Edited 14 hours ago by NeverOutNick

[Doc Brown]

16 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Moore was ranked 92nd on PFF...FWIW

PFF is garbage when it comes to Moore.  PFF is the best indicator of true WR quality when it comes to Hollins.  Am I doing that right?

[Richard Noggin]

@TheWeatherMan your nausea (hope you feel better) is a reaction to the Bills top-3 roster options at safety, yes? Rather than my deft analysis of how that top-3 depth chart should shake out, of course. 

 

I actually think Rapp is at least an average starting S in the NFL, who brings some physicality and flash. Problem there is he just absolutely obliterates himself and his teammates too often by dropping his helmet and becoming ordinance. Someone on the team will miss games because of Taylor Rapp. 

 

Forrest is kind of intriguing on a McDermott defense. Was on an early trajectory in DC, but injuries plus a coaching change caused regression there in years 3 & 4. Tested like a beast coming out, though: 9.69 RAS. And flashed early on in the league. Availability will be the thing with him. 

 

And Bishop...well, I don't know. He could progress the same way we hope Kincaid will. Sucks that both Utah guys are facing steep curves. 

 

36 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I do agree that safety was our biggest blunder on D last year but I’m hopeful Hamlin is just a PR stunt for the upcoming hallmark movie and he’s cut and given a job doing something else for the bills. Hancock looks like he has FS skills. I’m hopeful bishop takes the leap and Forrest and/or Hancock thrill the coaches and Rapp is just a backup. I like Rapp but he’s heat seeking missile antics has been a big problem with friendly fire injuries (see Benford injury)

 

Would be great if Bishop somehow leaps past Rapp, because I think Rapp is an okay starter (while it lasts and until he lights up a teammate). Bishop was WAY behind Rapp last year. He was way behind Hamlin if we're being honest. Forrest could be a dude, though. 

 

Hancock I think is more likely a subpackage guy or flexible replacement like Lewis, rather than a threat to start. Happy to be wrong there. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Richard Noggin

[MainEvent]

What are they waiting on to announce this?

[TheWeatherMan]

28 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

@TheWeatherMan your nausea (hope you feel better) is a reaction to the Bills top-3 roster options at safety, yes? Rather than my deft analysis of how that top-3 depth chart should shake out, of course. 

 

I actually think Rapp is at least an average starting S in the NFL, who brings some physicality and flash. Problem there is he just absolutely obliterates himself and his teammates too often by dropping his helmet and becoming ordinance. Someone on the team will miss games because of Taylor Rapp. 

 

Forrest is kind of intriguing on a McDermott defense. Was on an early trajectory in DC, but injuries plus a coaching change caused regression there in years 3 & 4. Tested like a beast coming out, though: 9.69 RAS. And flashed early on in the league. Availability will be the thing with him. 

 

And Bishop...well, I don't know. He could progress the same way we hope Kincaid will. Sucks that both Utah guys are facing steep curves. 

 

 

Would be great if Bishop somehow leaps past Rapp, because I think Rapp is an okay starter (while it lasts and until he lights up a teammate). Bishop was WAY behind Rapp last year. He was way behind Hamlin if we're being honest. Forrest could be a dude, though. 

 

Hancock I think is more likely a subpackage guy or flexible replacement like Lewis, rather than a threat to start. Happy to be wrong there. 

Your assumption is correct.  

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I feel okay with Rapp out there.  Not thrilled with the options at the other spot.  Banking on Bishop markedly improving is not a smart plan imo.  Safety is definitely our weakest position group in terms of both quality and depth. 

 

Depth isn't a problem.  We have four good second-teamers: Rapp, Hamlin, Forrest, Bishop.  

[hondo in seattle]

I know I'm a little late to the party on Moore but he isn't your normal JAG.  He's got top 10% speed (3 cone drill, 20-yard shuttle, 40-yard dash) in a bottom 10% frame (height, weight, wingspan).

 

He's probably not the kind of guy you want out there every play and it's unlikely that's what we got him for.  If used correctly, he does seem like he could be a nice complementary piece.  

 

I'd rather have a big-bodied fast guy who can run the entire route tree but a FA like that would be out of our price range.   Beggars can't be choosers.  

 

 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I will be very surprised if that happens. Even if he is capable and of it, I know how it is to crack the lineup for this coach. He’s incredibly frustrating and acts like nobody new is ever ready. I don’t see him getting the opportunity to outperform 

This is just not true. New players, including rookies, become instant starters and contributors all the time for the Bills. Heck, even in-season trades have gotten on the field as starters almost immediately (Douglas and Cooper). White, Benford, Brown, McGovern, Dawkins, Coleman, Rousseau, etc, etc. There are countless examples of free agent signings and draft picks who came in and started and contributed immediately. When they don't, it is the exception.

2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

I’d prefer a starting safety over a potential #3, #4 or #5 WR.  Praying we’re not going into the season with the same starting safety tandem as last year 🤮. 

Bishop is going to start over Hamlin. So it's all good. Rapp played well last year. Not sure what people have against him. He is a good tackler and saved a lot of TD's, including some key stops in certain games. He needs to stay healthy, though.

[Chandler#81]

12 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Both professional football teams in Ohio have a direct connection to Paul Brown and this determines both their uniform and name. The Browns are named after him so the connection is clear. But the rest goes back to Masselon High School, where Brown played HS football and had his second coaching job. Their uniform in the 40's was orange and brown with an orange helmet. Pretty much exactly the same as Cleveland's. Then when Brown founded the AFL franchise in Cincinnati, he had zero energy for uniforms or names. So, he just changed the brown to black and wrote Bengals on the helmet. And the Masselon football team's name is the Tigers, so he named his team in Cincinnati the Bengals. 

Really? You felt compelled to teach me NFL history? 🤦‍♂️ None of what you claim has anything to do with my belief that the Browns have butt ugly uniforms. They look like a toilet bowl filled with bloody hemroid stool.

[MarlinTheMagician]

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Why? They weren't in on him. They have Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown, Jalen Royals, Skyy Moore, JuJu Smith-Schuster, and Tyquan Thornton. Hanging on every move they make, don't make, and expressing thanks for them not making moves that they weren't ever going to make is taking the fear of them too far. 

Yeah, F the Chiefs.  Mahomes is on the downside of his career 😃 (a man can dream - he has taken a bit of a beating lately).  But agree, kidding aside, we have to run our own race.  And despite the recent past, I like our guy better than their guy.

[SoonerBillsFan]

8 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

I’d prefer a starting safety over a potential #3, #4 or #5 WR.  Praying we’re not going into the season with the same starting safety tandem as last year 🤮. 

We signed Forrest this offseason.

7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Depth isn't a problem.  We have four good second-teamers: Rapp, Hamlin, Forrest, Bishop.  

And it's time to deal with the fact, that's our safeties. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

We signed Forrest this offseason.

And it's time to deal with the fact, that's our safeties. 

You can’t have All Stars at every position.  I think Rapp is pretty good.  And let’s see what Bishop does with a year under his belt.  Unlike many, I happen to believe players get better with experience 

[SoonerBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You can’t have All Stars at every position.  I think Rapp is pretty good.  And let’s see what Bishop does with a year under his belt.  Unlike many, I happen to believe players get better with experience 

Some fans ( not saying you) need to go see the Forrest highlights.  Before he got hurt, he has some skills.

Edited 5 hours ago by SoonerBillsFan

[CSBill]

56 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Really? You felt compelled to teach me NFL history? 🤦‍♂️ None of what you claim has anything to do with my belief that the Browns have butt ugly uniforms. They look like a toilet bowl filled with bloody hemroid stool.

 

This post reminds me of the old saying in Cincinnati, "If it's Brown, flush it down!"