boyst Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: There is not a zero chance of Shenault making this roster but it is close to zero. shenault over codrington is my guess if it comes down to it. you don't think he has value to return kicks? Quote
YoloinOhio Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: On 97 targets? That's terrible efficiency. 37% were “uncatchable” 1 1 Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 4 hours ago, Mister Defense said: I love Moore's ability to separate, his route running, and most of all the way he seems to so easily turn on the after burners once the ball is n his hands, no matter where he is on the field. Can turn that speed on in the blink of an eye. At 24, I am assuming that he still has the dynamic quality, hoping: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRr4yBqyFnI I don't think any other receiver currently on the Bills has this specific set of skills. Beane is providing excellent diversity in the wide receiver room. As this seems to be not just another player, another wideout, but another specific piece of the puzzle.. I do think there's a spot for him on the team simply because he can separate so well. What I'm liking is that we are overlaying strengths for redundency. I agree at the whole "positionless" framework. Right now the WR room is Vertical burner: Palmer & Moore (Kincaid to an extent) Red zone Power: Kincaid & Coleman & Knox Middle of the field: Shakir & Samuel, Coleman, Knox Screens: Shakir & Samuel Depending on what the opposing D likes to do, you can find all sorts of ways to stress them 3 1 Quote
eball Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Except the task he thought he was taking them to was not really a fair reflection of the discussion they had been having. He flew off the handle at them based on listening to 2 minutes out of context. It was a bad look. Meh. We can agree to disagree. Quote
oldmanfan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 4 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I do think there's a spot for him on the team simply because he can separate so well. What I'm liking is that we are overlaying strengths for redundency. I agree at the whole "positionless" framework. Right now the WR room is Vertical burner: Palmer & Moore (Kincaid to an extent) Red zone Power: Kincaid & Coleman & Knox Middle of the field: Shakir & Samuel, Coleman, Knox Screens: Shakir & Samuel Depending on what the opposing D likes to do, you can find all sorts of ways to stress them Plus Cook, Davis, and Johnson sneaking out of the backfield 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 21 minutes ago, boyst said: shenault over codrington is my guess if it comes down to it. you don't think he has value to return kicks? I think Codrington would beat him out comfortably. 3 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Except the task he thought he was taking them to was not really a fair reflection of the discussion they had been having. He flew off the handle at them based on listening to 2 minutes out of context. It was a bad look. How is the phrase "he doesn't value wide receivers" out of context? That sounds like a direct indictment. They questioned his acumen. 1 Quote
oldmanfan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago Just now, GunnerBill said: I think Codrington would beat him out comfortably. Some seem to want to criticize Coddrington. Seemed to me he did a pretty good job especially getting positive yardage on punt returns. 3 3 Quote
Redblood Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 10 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I do think there's a spot for him on the team simply because he can separate so well. What I'm liking is that we are overlaying strengths for redundency. I agree at the whole "positionless" framework. Right now the WR room is Vertical burner: Palmer & Moore (Kincaid to an extent) Red zone Power: Kincaid & Coleman & Knox Middle of the field: Shakir & Samuel, Coleman, Knox Screens: Shakir & Samuel Depending on what the opposing D likes to do, you can find all sorts of ways to stress them We still have a glaring need for a true burner 5 minutes ago, eball said: Meh. We can agree to disagree. Both have valid takes imo Quote
NeverOutNick Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Some seem to want to criticize Coddrington. Seemed to me he did a pretty good job especially getting positive yardage on punt returns. I was happy with what Codrington did last year for the most part. But I also am OK with them bringing in competition. Heck maybe they do their normal thing and kill two birds with one stone and Elijah Moore is also the returner. It’s a very McD and Company move. Quote
oldmanfan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: I was happy with what Codrington did last year for the most part. But I also am OK with them bringing in competition. Heck maybe they do their normal thing and kill two birds with one stone and Elijah Moore is also the returner. It’s a very McD and Company move. Agree completely. Competition is always good. Quote
PaattMaann Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 5 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: I was happy with what Codrington did last year for the most part. But I also am OK with them bringing in competition. Heck maybe they do their normal thing and kill two birds with one stone and Elijah Moore is also the returner. It’s a very McD and Company move. There just isnt space on the roster this year for Codrington to be a punt return only guy IMO. Someone else will beat him out even if they aren't as good, just because they do other things (KR, play other special teams, contributes or CAN contribute on offense or defense). Codrington CAN ONLY PR, I just cant see him making the roster. 1 2 Quote
oldmanfan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Redblood said: We still have a glaring need for a true burner Both have valid takes imo I really don’t think so. Just having a guy that can run fast is to me overrated on an offense. You have to match that with things like good hands, separation, and so on. And defenses can do things like put a safety over the top. Plus if you compare a guy that runs a 4.2 vs a 4.4 40 the actual space he frees up comes down to a couple feet. 3 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: There just isnt space on the roster this year for Codrington to be a punt return only guy IMO. Someone else will beat him out even if they aren't as good, just because they do other things (KR, play other special teams, contributes or CAN contribute on offense or defense). Codrington CAN ONLY PR, I just cant see him making the roster. I like Codrington myself, but I see your point here. Quote
muppy Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago (edited) On 4/28/2025 at 5:35 PM, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: This staff likes slot WR's more than this board. I think the key to our offenses success in 2025 will be how the bills braintrust will utilize and game plan with the guys they DO have. They are NOT concerned with who they would a could a shoulda had or taken. All of that is great chatroom fodder but in the end IMO what really matters is what will happen moving forward with whatever roster deemed the best after camp welcome to Buffalo Mr Moore. prove the doubters wrong and shut them up. That would be ideal 🙂 Edited 7 hours ago by muppy 4 1 Quote
NoName Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 14 hours ago, HOUSE said: I was hoping for 29 Good luck with that. Quote
GunnerBill Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 24 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: How is the phrase "he doesn't value wide receivers" out of context? That sounds like a direct indictment. They questioned his acumen. But that wasn't what he attacked them for. He attacked them for their response to this draft "this is just like 2018 when you all wanted Rosen." 1 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 52 minutes ago, PaattMaann said: Bills had three guys in the top 25 in separation on routes, Shakir, Kincaid and Samuel. Love the addition of Moore and Palmer to the group. Just factually wrong to say we didn't get separation, according to the stats from NextGen. Misleading though because I’ll bet that they also had some of the lowest average depth of target in the league. If you throw a quick screen, that would be considered separation. Samuel and Shakir saw lots of those and Kincaid some. Are they winnning with route running 10-20 yards down the field? That’s what prime Diggs did. I’m not suggesting that they need prime Diggs but someone that wins with route running. 2 Quote
Simon Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 14 hours ago, aristocrat said: Very nice signing now trade for dj Moore and any other moores 1 1 Quote
ddaryl Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) A solid signing IMO. Surprised it happened so soon as I thought Elijah would wait around to see if other teams became desperate, but damn glad he decided a year on the contender Bills with Josh throwing him the ball was the smarter move. Edited 7 hours ago by ddaryl 1 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: It's really not hypocritical. Not at all. Saying you don't have a need at WR and then signing a WR isn't necessarily even contradictory. You can feel that we don't have an absolute need, but that we could get better with the right deal. This is probably the most common situation a GM deals with. You don't have a need but you're willing to get better in the right situation. Then the right deal comes along. That right deal might be picking a guy at the right value for the pick in the draft, or at the right value in an FA contract. Or Beane thought no WR after rd1 was better then the free agent he was already negotiating with. These weekly conversations with WGR don't come with an obligation to reveal everything Beane is working on. Quote
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