Thurman#1 Posted August 7 Posted August 7 (edited) 10 hours ago, HamptonBillsfan said: Hopefully you don’t take yourself too seriously because when you hand out these unequivocal determinations of who’s worth more and who’s better than their contract, it sounds like you picture yourself as a financial guy arbitrating a team friendly contract. Try and understand that Benford is a concussion away from missing a season. Was he available when we needed him most? Availability is a huge determinant of a player’s value. RBs have short careers in the NFL. If Cook plays out the final year of his contract and gets a blown ACL in the playoffs after having a great season, his bargaining position is zero and chances are the Bills let him walk. Capologists and payroll specialists like yourself, will say let’s roll with Davis and a 3rd round RB, and you’ll get on this board with your chest pumped up, boasting how you were a visionary for not wanting to sign him early. Cook sees Benford, Bernard , Rousseau get a 2nd contract along with Beane signing to defensive lineman, who will miss 6 games for PEDs. Do you blame him for wanting his money? "Benford is a concussion away from missing a season," you say? And it's me who makes "unequivocal determinations"? You have no idea. Nor do I. Nor does anyone, including his doctors. Pretending you know that is just sad. Even assuming it's true, it's no less true that Cook is also one injury away from missing a season. So is every player on the field. Oh, and no, I don't blame Cook a bit for wanting his money. But I do hold him responsible for using tactics that I don't think will get him what he wants. There are many ways to go about trying to get paid. He's chosen this one. He'll have to take the consequences. And I would blame Beane (as should all of us) for overpaying, or for signing a bad contract. Oh, and real quick, go find a post anywhere where I've got my "chest pumped up, boasting about," absolutely anything. Bring us a link where I did that. I don't know who you're thinking of, but it ain't me. Sometimes things turn out exactly the way I said they will. Plenty of other times they don't. Either way I'm not due a lot of credit, as I'm generally only trying to argue for common sense. And yeah, Cook did see Benford, Bernard and Rousseau get a second contract - after their third year. EVERY ONE OF THEM took a team-friendly contract. Standard practice when signing after your third year. Cook isn't doing that. Maybe he could have learned from Benford, Bernard and Rousseau. They are all signed before their fourth year, greatly mitigating the financial consequences of an injury in their fourth year. Again, I like Cook as a player. A lot. I just don't want to overpay for him. Or anyone, really. Edited August 7 by Thurman#1 1 2 1 Quote
HamptonBillsfan Posted August 7 Posted August 7 5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: "Benford is a concussion away from missing a season," you say? And it's me who makes "unequivocal determinations"? You have no idea. Nor do I. Nor does anyone, including his doctors. Pretending you know that is just sad. Even assuming it's true, it's no less true that Cook is also one injury away from missing a season. So is every player on the field. Oh, and no, I don't blame Cook a bit for wanting his money. But I do hold him responsible for using tactics that I don't think will get him what he wants. There are many ways to go about trying to get paid. He's chosen this one. He'll have to take the consequences. And I would blame Beane (as should all of us) for overpaying, or for signing a bad contract. Oh, and real quick, go find a post anywhere where I've got my "chest pumped up, boasting about," absolutely anything. Bring us a link where I did that. I don't know who you're thinking of, but it ain't me. Sometimes things turn out exactly the way I said they will. Plenty of other times they don't. Either way I'm not due a lot of credit, as I'm generally only trying to argue for common sense. And yeah, Cook did see Benford, Bernard and Rousseau get a second contract - after their third year. EVERY ONE OF THEM took a team-friendly contract. Standard practice when signing after your third year. Cook isn't doing that. Maybe he could have learned from Benford, Bernard and Rousseau. They are all signed before their fourth year, greatly mitigating the financial consequences of an injury in their fourth year. Again, I like Cook as a player. A lot. I just don't want to overpay for him. Or anyone, really. Two rapid fire concussions put you in Tua territory. Don’t try and be the arbiter of proper behavior for these athletes in negotiations with billionaire owners. Players do what they have to do and if a GM feels like that have more to lose by not extending, they make a deal. Bills fans should hope it happens sooner than later. Thanks for the conversation, I’ll talk after we sign him. 1 1 Quote
Chicken Boo Posted August 8 Posted August 8 (edited) On 8/4/2025 at 10:11 PM, SCBills said: So what do you want? To pay him 15M and lose McGovern or Torrence? We also have much more potential on offense this year with Coleman Year 2, Kincaid Year 3, Palmer & Moore vs Rookie Coleman, injured Kincaid, Cooper and Hollins. It's not Torrence or McGovern's time yet. Neither contract is up. If Philly can pay Hurts, Barkley, Brown and Smith, I'm sure Beane can figure it out. Do you know what potential means? *Parcells voice* Edited August 8 by Chicken Boo 1 Quote
Billl Posted August 8 Posted August 8 On 8/7/2025 at 12:11 AM, Thurman#1 said: "Benford is a concussion away from missing a season," you say? And it's me who makes "unequivocal determinations"? You have no idea. Nor do I. Nor does anyone, including his doctors. Pretending you know that is just sad. Benford’s concussion in the AFCCG was maybe the most disturbing I’ve ever seen. He looked downright catatonic when they strapped him into the cart. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted August 9 Posted August 9 56 minutes ago, Billl said: Benford’s concussion in the AFCCG was maybe the most disturbing I’ve ever seen. He looked downright catatonic when they strapped him into the cart. Well... Benford's 2 in a week was bad, but we were all watching when the most disturbing one occurred. Tua's 2 in 4 days. 1 Quote
Governor Posted August 9 Posted August 9 (edited) “ I’m working on improving as a blocker” Really the only thing we should be hearing from a guy that wants top money. Anyone hear him say that yet? Edited August 9 by Governor Quote
Thurman#1 Posted August 14 Posted August 14 On 8/9/2025 at 8:10 AM, Billl said: Benford’s concussion in the AFCCG was maybe the most disturbing I’ve ever seen. He looked downright catatonic when they strapped him into the cart. And so, from a camera's eye view, you are an insider on this? You know how serious this was? Please. You have no idea. Nor do I, but that's the point. None of us have any idea. Not even the Bills, the doctors and Benford know with much detail, but your layman's observations of long-distance camera footage, not knowing what he was thinking or whether he was trying to move means pretty much nothing. 13 hours ago, Billsfed1 said: Apparently the Bills felt he’s worth it 😂 Worth $12M AAV, with those contract terms, yes. Don't know what you're laughing about. Most on here opposing re-signing him weren't doing it because they didn't want him, they were against it at the $15M Cook was demanding, and which the Bills did not pay. 12 hours ago, nuklz2594 said: Heh heh. I like this. Quote
nuklz2594 Posted August 14 Posted August 14 Tbh...Cook is not a top 10 rb in the nfl. He is perfectly suited for his role here. I'd like to see him lined up as a receiver on 3rd downs. 1 1 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted August 14 Posted August 14 29 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said: Tbh...Cook is not a top 10 rb in the nfl. He is perfectly suited for his role here. I'd like to see him lined up as a receiver on 3rd downs. Disagree man. Those past playoffs alone proves he was a top 10 guy in this league. Easily. Especially the Chiefs game. 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted August 14 Posted August 14 31 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said: Tbh...Cook is not a top 10 rb in the nfl. He is perfectly suited for his role here. I'd like to see him lined up as a receiver on 3rd downs. tbh... you're wrong. 2 Quote
HOUSE Posted August 14 Posted August 14 OJ Simpson played for 62,000 per year Did he complain? No.... 2 Quote
WNYFAN1 Posted August 14 Posted August 14 On 8/8/2025 at 7:10 PM, Billl said: Benford’s concussion in the AFCCG was maybe the most disturbing I’ve ever seen. He looked downright catatonic when they strapped him into the cart. Yep, that was awful. And how about Taron Johnson? How many has that guy had? I know he's an adult and makes his own choices, but damn I wouldn't want to be him in 20 years... Quote
davefan66 Posted September 14 Posted September 14 Yes, yes he is. (quickly deleting all my other posts in this thread) 1 2 Quote
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