Which past receiver would you pick whose skill set this team needs most.

[Mikie2times]

It’s Lee Evan’s. Diggs already showed us what a Moulds/Reed style WR could do with Allen. Not to imply they’re the same. But bigger body types. All around great athletes. Polished. I don’t see any of the three bringing something massively different. High end number 1 style play is what all three would bring.

 

What we have never seen with Allen is a WR he can’t over throw. Evan’s was probably the only one in my lifetime who played here I felt that way about. Maybe Lofton as well, but he was a bit more aged by the time he came here. For the type of guy we saw while they played here, it’s Evan’s. Moulds would be second (my opinion). 

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[billsfan89]

Prime Moulds would makes this a dam near unstoppable offense. Moulds would open up everything with his ability to work the mid-range game and the deep ball. He was nearly a prototypical outside WR1 and that's with mid-level QB play at best. He wasn't a massive burner but he had enough speed to get open down the field and get over the top of average speed DB's. He was such a technician with route running. Moulds was putting up 1200-1300 yard seasons somewhat consistently with Doug Flutie, Rob Johnson, and a slightly past his prime Bledsoe. 

 

Give Josh Moulds on the outside, Palmer/Keon on the other side and Shakir in the slot and watch Josh cook. 

  On 4/15/2025 at 4:01 AM, Mikie2times said:

It’s Lee Evan’s. Diggs already showed us what a Moulds/Reed style WR could do with Allen. Not to imply they’re the same. But bigger body types. All around great athletes. Polished. I don’t see any of the three bringing something massively different. High end number 1 style play is what all three would bring.

 

What we have never seen with Allen is a WR he can’t over throw. Evan’s was probably the only one in my lifetime who played here I felt that way about. Maybe Lofton as well, but he was a bit more aged by the time he came here. For the type of guy we saw while they played here, it’s Evan’s. Moulds would be second (my opinion). 

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I hear what you are saying. But I do think Moulds is a more physical WR than Diggs. Moulds was 2 inches taller and 35 pounds heavier than Diggs with comparable good but not great speed. That's in addition to both players being master route runners with very strong hands. I think Moulds being just a somewhat bigger version of Diggs would take that elite production Diggs was giving and make it even more consistent esp in bigger playoff games where the games tend to be more physical. 

[Alphadawg7]

  On 4/14/2025 at 5:04 PM, FireChans said:

I really long for the offseason where we don’t debate what has-been would be better on the current era Bills.

 

That said, the answer is and will forever be, Moulds.

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This thread gets started like every 6 months.  
 

That being said Moulds is the answer.  
 

Evan’s would be my 2nd choice who would just go off with Allen.  

[Chandler#81]

  On 4/15/2025 at 1:13 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

Cole Beasley. I'd love to have that type of WR on the Bills again.

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We have it. His name is Shakir. Perhaps you’ve heard of him? Ya know, 2nd contract?

[GunnerBill]

Stefon Diggs.

[Mr. WEO]

  On 4/15/2025 at 1:32 AM, JP51 said:

TO was a goof for sure... but wouldn't say he was a bad teammate like Diggs. I was the original poster and I was looking at the past Bills and their careers with the Bills aka the value they brought to the Bills . BUT if I am looking at those receivers in their prime despite the team they were on I think Lofton in GB/Buffalo skipping the Raiders and TO pre Bills are the only real choices. Reed and Moulds to me would be the best in their Prime in Buffalo 

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  On 4/15/2025 at 3:27 AM, MJS said:

I assumed it was the version of the Bills receiver that we had when they were with the team, so not TO because he wasn't in his prime here. But, each can interpret it how they will.

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The original post didn't suggest it was a former Bill in their prime as a Bills player.  Just "which past receiver"...

[I'm Spartacus]

I would have picked Brad Lamb, but he wasn't on the list.

[The Jokeman]

  On 4/15/2025 at 12:41 PM, I'm Spartacus said:

I would have picked Brad Lamb, but he wasn't on the list.

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Brad Lamb couldn't hold Justin Armour's jock. 

[JP51]

  On 4/15/2025 at 10:51 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

The original post didn't suggest it was a former Bill in their prime as a Bills player.  Just "which past receiver"...

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Indeed sometimes what is in my mind does not translate into words properly... ask my wife...  so I corrected it for clarity. 

[PromoTheRobot]

  On 4/15/2025 at 9:46 AM, Chandler#81 said:

We have it. His name is Shakir. Perhaps you’ve heard of him? Ya know, 2nd contract?

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In theory they are the same but in practice Beasley was a different player. Maybe it was because Allen was younger and greener as a QB when Beasley played, but he seemed to be Allen's break-glass-in-case-of-emergency guy. A WR you could count on to extend a drive.

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[JP51]

  On 4/15/2025 at 2:02 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

In theory they are the same but in practice Beasley was a different player. Maybe it was because Allen was younger and greener as a QB when Beasley played, but he seemed to be Allen's break-glass-in-case-of-emergency guy. A WR you could count on to extend a drive.

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So I am fine with the Beasley Shakir comparison as a possession guy, but I dont think there is any real argument that Shakir is way past Bease RAC especailly at the end of his career. 

[JP51]

  On 4/15/2025 at 12:41 PM, I'm Spartacus said:

I would have picked Brad Lamb, but he wasn't on the list.

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I forgot Chris Burkett and Flip Johnson as well... lol 

[hondo in seattle]

  On 4/14/2025 at 7:09 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Rashad was a JAG who had a cup of joe in Buf--his career was essentially that of the completely forgettable John Brown.

 

TO was light years better than Diggs, yet Beane ignored the obvious issues with this guy and traded away a 1st rounder for him anyway.  

 

TO cried for his QB.  Diggs cried at his QB(s).  This "culture" stuff is BS.  If TO in his prime was to be had, even WR-opposite-of-savant Beane would sign him.

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If you've ever been part of a high-performing team, you know the culture stuff is not BS.  Culture is a force multiplier.  To paraphrase Aristotle: The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.  Delta knows this.  SEAL Team Six knows this.  Mike K, Pat Riley, Tomlin, Belichick, Lombardi, Campbell, Dungy...  they all know.  

[CSBill]

Andre Reed

[Mr. WEO]

  On 4/16/2025 at 2:57 PM, hondo in seattle said:

 

If you've ever been part of a high-performing team, you know the culture stuff is not BS.  Culture is a force multiplier.  To paraphrase Aristotle: The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.  Delta knows this.  SEAL Team Six knows this.  Mike K, Pat Riley, Tomlin, Belichick, Lombardi, Campbell, Dungy...  they all know.  

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What's the culture over there in KC been for the past 5 years?

[JP51]

  On 4/16/2025 at 2:59 PM, CSBill said:

Andre Reed

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Not gonna lie, I was actually surprised that there wasnt more debate over Reed. 

[gonzo1105]

If we’re looking for a Z who can stretch a field my first thought was Evans but I knew most would pick Moulds 

[hondo in seattle]

  On 4/16/2025 at 3:40 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

What's the culture over there in KC been for the past 5 years?

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I don't know.  I haven't been there.  But just because some player is far from angelic off the field doesn't mean he can't be a good teammate and doesn't share some good cultural values with the other players.  

 

From what I've read, Reid likes players who communicate openly and honestly, take practice seriously, know their role, execute on game day, respect their teammates, give maximal effort, hold themselves accountable for the football mistakes they make, and so on.  That's the culture he promotes and a murderer can do all that.  We may not like or respect Reid giving homes to guys with off-the-field issues, but to say Reid isn't doing things to build a winning football culture or doesn't consider culture fit is wrong.   

 

 

 

  On 4/16/2025 at 4:03 PM, JP51 said:

Not gonna lie, I was actually surprised that there wasnt more debate over Reed. 

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Agreed.  I voted Moulds but expected Reed to get more tallies.  

[Mr. WEO]

  On 4/16/2025 at 5:19 PM, hondo in seattle said:

 

I don't know.  I haven't been there.  But just because some player is far from angelic off the field doesn't mean he can't be a good teammate and doesn't share some good cultural values with the other players.  

 

From what I've read, Reid likes players who communicate openly and honestly, take practice seriously, know their role, execute on game day, respect their teammates, give maximal effort, hold themselves accountable for the football mistakes they make, and so on.  That's the culture he promotes and a murderer can do all that.  We may not like or respect Reid giving homes to guys with off-the-field issues, but to say Reid isn't doing things to build a winning football culture or doesn't consider culture fit is wrong.   

 

 

 

 

Agreed.  I voted Moulds but expected Reed to get more tallies.  

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you are a regular here--this place constantly woofs on KC as a place for miscreants, criminals and addicts--yet this "culture" (presumably the opposite of the Bills) only produces AFCC and SBs.

 

Are you saying that ANY culture (lawless or straight laced) is all that matters? That doesn't seem to make sense, but if true, wouldn't the Bills be better off adapting a "bad boy"/criminals in the off-season culture such as in KC?  The one the Bills put forth seems to get axed by the Chiefs culture every year when it counts...

[Mat68]

For a few years Moulds was an absolute beast.  Paired with Allen would be great to watch.  Those scrambles with Moulds down field would be electric .