Diggs' Drama

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Diggs always looks open and is now #12 in the NFL with 59 Receptions and 659 yards. Again, the top rated Bill is Shakir at #41. The Patriots have 2 more WRs just behind Diggs. Hollins is one of them.

 

Thanks Beanbrain.

IF and it's still a big IF, the Bills fall apart and miss he playoffs the straw that would break the camels back and cost Bean his job would be the decision not to resign Hollins.  The guy would have been cheap, was productive in Buffalo as a WR #3 and on special teams, and has continued to be productive in NE. Another straw would be the Coleman pick over both Worthy & McConkey.

 

But the reason I think this is all a big IF is that I have a feeling the Bills are about to go on a run and will win the Division.

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, LEBills said:

yes he did, but when just saying who was the more productive WR, Diggs is more productive. Sure there may be reasons for it but the stats are what they are. No slight on the 90s teams. We will look back on the Diggs era fondly in 30 years too.

I disagree.  Reed more ten matched Diggs in the playoffs.

 

[LEBills]

8 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

IF and it's still a big IF, the Bills fall apart and miss he playoffs the straw that would break the camels back and cost Bean his job would be the decision not to resign Hollins.  The guy would have been cheap, was productive in Buffalo as a WR #3 and on special teams, and has continued to be productive in NE. Another straw would be the Coleman pick over both Worthy & McConkey.

 

But the reason I think this is all a big IF is that I have a feeling the Bills are about to go on a run and will win the Division.

 

 

 

 

I disagree.  Reed more ten matched Diggs in the playoffs.

 

Yea that was my biggest gripe with Diggs as a Bills receiver too. If you want to focus on that that is fine, but there is a reason playoff and regular season records are separate. If you think Reed is our most prolific playoff receiver I would agree. Moulds still holds the single game receiving record there which is cool

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Given his age, and his type of injury, the fact Diggs came back so quickly to play at the level he is right now is pretty remarkable. He's been a full go since TC, and that was just 10 months removed his ACL tear. He is the leading receiver for NE and is on pace for another 1,000 yard season. Good for him. 

 

Yes, his time was done here. He had become as much a detriment to the locker room as he was prior to being jettisoned by Minnesota. The difference is Minnesota was able to flip our pick into Justin Jefferson. Our pick ended up becoming another defensive lineman. 

 

The Pats are still in the "unicorns farting rainbows" phase. Let's see how Diggs behaves when things go sideways.

[tigerthelion]

8 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The Pats are still in the "unicorns farting rainbows" phase. Let's see how Diggs behaves when things go sideways.

Time is running out this year for this "go sideways" thought. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

27 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

IF and it's still a big IF, the Bills fall apart and miss he playoffs the straw that would break the camels back and cost Bean his job would be the decision not to resign Hollins.  The guy would have been cheap, was productive in Buffalo as a WR #3 and on special teams, and has continued to be productive in NE. Another straw would be the Coleman pick over both Worthy & McConkey.

 

But the reason I think this is all a big IF is that I have a feeling the Bills are about to go on a run and will win the Division.

 

 

 

 

I disagree.  Reed more ten matched Diggs in the playoffs.

 

Of all the bad decisions and missed picks Beane has had, not re-signing Mack Hollins isn't going to be what costs him his job. 

 

From the sounds of it, they made Hollins an offer and it was Hollins's choice to head to New England. 

 

Maybe Hollins and his representative told the Bills the offer the Patriots made and Beane passed. Maybe Hollins got the offer and jumped on it. But no one can force a guy to stay if he wants to go. 

[Augie]

23 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The Pats are still in the "unicorns farting rainbows" phase. Let's see how Diggs behaves when things go sideways.

 

He always starts on his best behavior with full effort. This should be no surprise to anyone, but how long will it last?  Let’s not forget he turns 32 in a couple weeks. This will most likely be his last little hurrah before his decline. I hope he melts down again before retiring so he can be remembered for what he was: extremely talented but usually a PITA to have around. 

 

 

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Edited 6 hours ago by Augie

[BeastMaster]

29 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Of all the bad decisions and missed picks Beane has had, not re-signing Mack Hollins isn't going to be what costs him his job. 

 

From the sounds of it, they made Hollins an offer and it was Hollins's choice to head to New England. 

 

Maybe Hollins and his representative told the Bills the offer the Patriots made and Beane passed. Maybe Hollins got the offer and jumped on it. But no one can force a guy to stay if he wants to go. 

The Patriots had an incredible amount of cap space and they knew Mack Hollins was a valuable piece for us

 

They were always going to outbid us for his services. It was up to Hollins to decide if he wanted to stay with the Bills or go to the highest bidder

 

It would have stupid for Beane to get in a bidding war for him with a team that had basically unlimited cap space

 

The Bills sometimes bet on their culture to win out and get guys to return for less than they can potentially get on the open market. Hollins didn't buy into it

 

Simple as that

[Goin Breakdown]

This thread is like keeping in contact with and Ex's friend. Always checking in to see what this person you say you don't like is up to. Sometime ya just have to move on. 

[Einstein]

17 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

The Patriots had an incredible amount of cap space and they knew Mack Hollins was a valuable piece for us

 

They were always going to outbid us for his services. It was up to Hollins to decide if he wanted to stay with the Bills or go to the highest bidder

 

It would have stupid for Beane to get in a bidding war for him with a team that had basically unlimited cap space

 

The Bills sometimes bet on their culture to win out and get guys to return for less than they can potentially get on the open market. Hollins didn't buy into it

 

Simple as that

 

lol nonsense

 

The Pats weren’t going to continuously upping their big just to steal him away. They gave him a paltry offer and the Bills must have offered nothing or a tiny amount.

[BuffaloBillyG]

25 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

The Patriots had an incredible amount of cap space and they knew Mack Hollins was a valuable piece for us

 

They were always going to outbid us for his services. It was up to Hollins to decide if he wanted to stay with the Bills or go to the highest bidder

 

It would have stupid for Beane to get in a bidding war for him with a team that had basically unlimited cap space

 

The Bills sometimes bet on their culture to win out and get guys to return for less than they can potentially get on the open market. Hollins didn't buy into it

 

Simple as that

Exactly this. 

 

It's also easy to talk without knowing of how things played out. Let's say for the sake of argument, Beane DID win a bidding war. He would have likely had to vastly overpay. Now he sunk all that money into Hollins and Hollins gets injured here. Now he's overpaid and sitting on IR. Pitchforks would still be out in full force that we overpaid a JAG that's sitting on IR.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Of all the bad decisions and missed picks Beane has had, not re-signing Mack Hollins isn't going to be what costs him his job. 

 

From the sounds of it, they made Hollins an offer and it was Hollins's choice to head to New England. 

 

Maybe Hollins and his representative told the Bills the offer the Patriots made and Beane passed. Maybe Hollins got the offer and jumped on it. But no one can force a guy to stay if he wants to go. 

I agree that failing to sign Hollins alone would not cost Bean his job I said it could be the straw that broke the camels back.  Sometimes getting the simple stuff wrong is the most annoying. 

 

As for Hollins staying, I'm not convinced he didn't want to and it's hard for me to believe he would have left if offered the same pay and assurances that he would be given a chance to be a bigger part of the Bills offense.

 

 

[H2o]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The Pats are still in the "unicorns farting rainbows" phase. Let's see how Diggs behaves when things go sideways.

They may not go sideways, so to speak. Maye is in year two, Henderson is in year one, the defense has a good mix and is solid, Vrabel is a good coach, and McDaniels is back to doing his thing. They are also expected to have $65M+ in FA next year. Things are truly looking up in NE and I think Diggs will be happy to be along for that ride. 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

They may not go sideways, so to speak. Maye is in year two, Henderson is in year one, the defense has a good mix and is solid, Vrabel is a good coach, and McDaniels is back to doing his thing. They are also expected to have $65M+ in FA next year. Things are truly looking up in NE and I think Diggs will be happy to be along for that ride. 

 

Not with their remaining schedule. They will coast to the division title. They won't be challenged until the playoffs.

[Scott7975]

On 11/13/2025 at 2:28 PM, Mikey152 said:

A couple things:

 

Diggs counted for 31 mil in dead cap.  He was a big reason they couldnt sign anyone

 

Cooper is younger than Diggs

 

Saying they don't value #1 WR because they don't have one isn't exactly genuine. WR salaries are inflated, and most of the guys that hit the market aren't worth their cost. Like it or not, they decided they could build an offense around multiple guys, an OL and RB instead of investing heavily in a single player. It was successful last season and not as much so this season for some reason.

 

People are quick to chase what they don't have and throw away what they do...but nobody really knows what a #1 WR would cost this team in other ways. Like if we had signed DK instead of Palmer, we most certainly wouldn't have signed Bosa and maybe not Cook.

Thats because they overpay for depth pieces. You can take Samuel’s contract, Palmers contract, the contract of one other overpaid worthless player and add a premium player plus some cheap depth that aren’t really much worse than the overpaid guys. That’s the problem with the cap space. Doesn’t even need to be Palmer or Samuel. You can find overpaid useless guys all over the roster. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Scott7975

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Of all the bad decisions and missed picks Beane has had, not re-signing Mack Hollins isn't going to be what costs him his job. 

 

From the sounds of it, they made Hollins an offer and it was Hollins's choice to head to New England. 

 

Maybe Hollins and his representative told the Bills the offer the Patriots made and Beane passed. Maybe Hollins got the offer and jumped on it. But no one can force a guy to stay if he wants to go. 

 

Thank you.

 

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

IF and it's still a big IF, the Bills fall apart and miss he playoffs the straw that would break the camels back and cost Bean his job would be the decision not to resign Hollins.

 

4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree that failing to sign Hollins alone would not cost Bean his job I said it could be the straw that broke the camels back.  Sometimes getting the simple stuff wrong is the most annoying.

 

No. You were unequivocal about it.

 

[Scott7975]

On 11/14/2025 at 10:59 AM, The Frankish Reich said:

When you have a QB on a rookie contract playing at an elite level like Maye, you have money to do lots of other things.

 

The Bills had the money to pay a #1 receiver. They just chose to overpay a bunch of mediocre guys instead. They care more about rotational depth than having star players. It's a strategy, but one that isn't working well.

Edited 56 minutes ago by Scott7975

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

No. You were unequivocal about it.

 

You do know what the "straw that breaks the camels back" means don't you?  I'll let AI explain:

 

The phrase "the straw that broke the camel's back" means the final, seemingly small event in a series of problems that causes a person to lose their patience or ability to cope. It represents the breaking point, where a seemingly insignificant addition triggers a disproportionately large and sudden reaction due to the cumulative effect of previous stresses. 

[Sojourner]

7 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Kelly also had better alternate places to throw the ball in HOFers Loften & Thomas (as good as CMAC as a pass catching RB) then Allen has had.  

7 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Kelly also had better alternate places to throw the ball in HOFers Loften & Thomas (as good as CMAC as a pass catching RB) then Allen has had.  

For real. I can’t imagine what Josh would do with that trio. Thomas in today’s game would be a top 5 back. Easily. 3 downs and dominant. I’d even agree that he’s on par if not better than CMC too. 

Edited 17 minutes ago by Sojourner

[Scott7975]

8 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

For real. I can’t imagine what Josh would do with that trio. Thomas in today’s game would be a top 5 back. Easily. 3 downs and dominant. I’d even agree that he’s on par if not better than CMC too. 

Hell I’d take Cook back when we had Diggs, Beasley, and Smoke. 
 

that’s the multi dimensional team we needed.