Logic Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 (edited) 3 minutes ago, TOboy said: Yeah if he gets that far you forget pick value and overpay to get the player. Yep. Only way I can see it not happening is if the Bills simply try their hardest and fail, and some team feels as strongly about Odunze as the Bills do and takes him rather than trading back. It always takes two to tango. Bills can try 'til they're blue in the face, but they can't force anyone to trade with them. Edited April 24 by Logic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 41 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: My favorite thread all time - so many receipts. Every time that thread gets re-posted, Gunner thinks "oh for fu*k's sake" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 12 minutes ago, Logic said: Benjamin Albright, who was discussed earlier in this thread and who was all over Allen to Bills and Oliver to Bills early in those draft years, has released his one and only mock draft. He has Odunze sliding to 15 and the Colts taking him there. He has the Bills "trying and failing to trade up" and then drafting Xavier Worthy at 28. Personally, if Odunze DOES slide as far as 15 (which I don't see as likely), I can't imagine the Bills NOT trading up to get him. But it takes two to tango, and if they were to get shut out, Worthy is a fine consolation prize. I agree, however, having the 28th pick is not really appealing as trade bait to a whole lot of clubs, i would imagine......and every franchise knows we want a WR, so any flexibility in moving up for anyone of impact will be costly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Just now, Logic said: Yep. Only way I can see it not happening is if the Bills simply try their hardest and fail, and some team feels as strongly about Odunze as the Bills do and takes him rather than trading back. It always takes two to tang. Bills can try 'til they're blue in the face, but they can't force anyone to trade with them. Ain’t that the truth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: and as good as our offense was against the Chiefs, it was the Chiefs defense that stopped us when the game mattered or even I could say our lack of defense wasn't able to stop the Chiefs offense enough to win. I mean our offense put up the 2nd most points the Chiefs gave up all season in that playoff game and we still lost. If you haven't yet watched it, I would strongly recommend that you give a view to JT O'Sullivan "The QB School" Youtube piece on the KC @ Bills playoff game. A team between two great teams will often hinge on 3-5 plays. In this case, we had at least 3 potential game-changing plays, 2 catchable balls that were not; and a throw to the EZ where the blocking call probably wasn't optimal. On two of those plays, the Chiefs D didn't stop us so much as we stopped ourselves. And yes of course, our D wasn't able to stop the Chiefs as much, that's what happens when you start what someone here quipped "the Little Sisters of the Poor" at LB and somewhat at CB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Low Positive said: That thread needs to be stickied for eternity. A lot of message board people posing as collegiate scouts embarrassed themselves. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 minutes ago, Logic said: Yep. Only way I can see it not happening is if the Bills simply try their hardest and fail, and some team feels as strongly about Odunze as the Bills do and takes him rather than trading back. It always takes two to tango. Bills can try 'til they're blue in the face, but they can't force anyone to trade with them. They also don't have a whole lot to give. That's the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey152 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mikey152 said: He doesn't have to line up as an X. He just has to be on the line on the opposite side of the formation from Knox. It can be anywhere. To clarify... Legal formation only requires that 7 players are on the LOS (behind ball and infront of centers belt) at the time the ball is snapped. The furthest from the ball (the end) on either side are eligible receivers...hence tight and split end. Everyone else is a back and doesn't have to be on the line and doesn't need to reset after motion. So if you have two TE in the game, and they both line up on the line...the rest of your eligible receivers don't have to. They can be anywhere on the LOS, so long as it is opposite sides. It's the beauty of the two TE look. Now I have posters saying Kincaid can't play TE? He's just a big slot? Then he was a waste of a pick...I also think that's a trash opinion, but whatever. Kincaid OL OL OL OL OL Knox Samuel Josh Shakir Cook Is a legal formation Edited April 24 by Mikey152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Im watching the cowboys draft show while I work...because of Bryan Broaddus and his contacts around the league. He thinks Buffalo will be aggressive....saying beane might get fired soon....that is nonsense....but anyway he mentioned again that KC is going to be aggressive and that Jacksonville is looking to take a corner. so that tells me Jax is not going to be interested in moving back and that Buffalo may be looking at a situation where KC jumps ahead of them for a WR or maybe an Offensive lineman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 Just now, dave mcbride said: They also don't have a whole lot to give. That's the problem. Yeah. The other problem is that the Bills likely aren't the only team that doesn't have 28 first round grades on players this year, so why would trading all the way back to 28 be particularly attractive to anyone? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, Logic said: Yeah. The other problem is that the Bills likely aren't the only team that doesn't have 28 first round grades on players this year, so why would trading all the way back to 28 be particularly attractive to anyone? This is probably how it always is. I imagine there are very rare times there are 32 first round players. I am sure a bunch of players most teams dont see as 1st rounders will go in the first pushing some of their own 1st round guys back. also the fifth year option is huge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: That's like saying your friend who told you instead of saving for retirement he was going to put all of that money towards lottery tickets. Your response would be that he is an idiot. And then he wins and he makes fun of you forever about it. That was similar odds of Josh Allen being good. He's literally the only one in the history of the NFL to make it based on a lot of analytics, a true statistical outlier. Read this: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons To this date you still bash him. Cuts deep with you I see. The day of the draft their were people that thought Allen was going to go #1. But you know better. Edited April 24 by Beast 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Beane doesn't seem like a guy that waits for any 'ol player to "fall" to him. He goes up and gets who he loves. That's what he will do tomorrow night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Just now, KDIGGZ said: To this day he's never won anything except the hearts of fans who are ok with being a "pretty good" team Hurts to be so ***** wrong, doesn’t it? 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: To this day he's never won anything except the hearts of fans who are ok with being a "pretty good" team there are a whole bunch of guys in the hall of fame who can say the exact same thing. probably best to admit the guy is pretty great. Edited April 24 by MikePJ76 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 7 minutes ago, Logic said: Yeah. The other problem is that the Bills likely aren't the only team that doesn't have 28 first round grades on players this year, so why would trading all the way back to 28 be particularly attractive to anyone? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 4 minutes ago, Logic said: Yeah. The other problem is that the Bills likely aren't the only team that doesn't have 28 first round grades on players this year, so why would trading all the way back to 28 be particularly attractive to anyone? because every teams needs are different while we have one huge hole and are contenders, another team could really value multiple picks and pushing some of that value back a year to better meet their window (maybe a more developmental project plus picks next year instead of an instant impact) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Keep buying those lottery tickets. I'll stick with my 401k 🤡 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Yes that's why I root for my team. So 1 guy can maybe be good enough to be in the HOF. Definitely not first ballot without a Superbowl though that response doesn't really make much sense. Dan Fouts, Dan Marino and Warren Moon have no championships and they got in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 6 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: In the end I expect this to be much commotion about nothing. I'm certain Beane has called pretty much everyone about what a package to move up would look like. Gathering information. He does this every year to my knowledge. So do most GMs. My best guess is in the long run this is a nothing burger. Lots of people spinning their wheels this week are building some pretty high expectations that will set themselves up for a disappointment come Thursday Night IMO. Yeah I mean this in reality is the least notable thing ever. a GM not doing this with every other GM would be notable. even a team in a spot you dont think you would want to move to, you still should be touching base with all 31 others 'hey would you even consider moving from where you are? ---no- ok thanks, got anyone else youre looking to move on your roster, even depth guy? ---yes? i know its a situational decision, but whats ballpark youd be looking for? bare bones, this is literally their job. theres what, 10mins between picks? 32 teams, each team has like 10 ppl in draft room. GMs, HCs, their assistants, an owner... a million moving parts, these guys should all have some type of rough idea of a bare bones starting point of a negotiation. on top of that, theyre job is to relationship build.... touch base, be friendly, likable. you cant be a GM with multiple sour relationships in the league, and its advantageous as hell to have good comfortable working relationships, because maybe that team will call you first when something juicy pops up. 'hey call beane, we got a short window and maybe only time for 1 call to get this done, hes fair, easy to work with, decisive....' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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