Draconator Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: No surprise. That’s how it looks from the outside. And it’s the most likely explanation for not fully restructuring Allen’s contract. Dion Dawkins likes your bulge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Draconator said: Dion Dawkins likes your bulge That’s always nice to hear 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 24 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: That’s how it looks from the outside. And it’s the most likely explanation for not fully restructuring Allen’s contract. If there is a push to limit spending this season, I doubt it's an edict from Pegula. I'd imagine it's more a scenario of taking medicine this season so that in the coming years, we're not in the situation like we were in last year and this year and can operate more freely. Edited March 13 by BillsFanForever19 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 13 minutes ago, jahnyc said: I can believe that Pegula has placed cash restrictions on spending this offseason. He has a lot of financial obligations with the new stadium and with the renovations to the KeyBank Center. Could explain why Josh's contract was not fully restructured. If true, really bad time for this given our need for restructures to have cap space to be competitive this season. Not to mention he has poured out tons of cash with nothing to show for it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, BBFL said: It’s an absolute pipe dream but do they consider at least trying? I’m sure they will inquire if it’s accurate. More importantly, with that money KC just freed up do they trade this and next years first to sign JJ? 🤔🫠 No hope for Buffalo. Just a general question. I don't see any upside to them keeping him. Either lose him when he demands a trade or pay him $30 million + and not be able to fully utilize his talent due to lack of a QB. He'd fetch quite a haul and you have Addison and Hockenson already. Just a thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: If there is a push to limit spending this season, I doubt it's an edict from Pegula. I'd imagine it's more a scenario of taking medicine this season so that in the coming years, we're not in the situation we were in last year and this year and can operate more freely. Exactly. For 6+ months posters with even a rudimentary understanding of the cap have been saying we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. There are pinned threads explaining the cap layouts and why we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. The GM has said we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. But now, all of a sudden, it must be the owner? Everything has to be a conspiracy. The season isn't won or lost in free agency. Have you learned nothing from Rex Ryan? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: If there is a push to limit spending this season, I doubt it's an edict from Pegula. I'd imagine it's more a scenario of taking medicine this season so that in the coming years, we're not in the situation we were in last year and this year and can operate more freely. You can take your medicine and still spend some cash. I’m not saying we should be wasting cash and cap space at the start of FA. I’m not a proponent of that. It is just that this is a severe decrease. We went from one of the top cash spenders to 17th currently. To me that looks ownership driven. No GM wants to throw on the brakes like that if they don’t have to. They get paid to win and it’s tough to do that without spending. The other possibility is that Beane is paying back/saving up against his spending constraints. He has a budget from Pegula. It is possible that he’s saving toward another spending ramp up. I guess in either case I’m just disappointed because it will be difficult to really compete in the near term if spending is substantially cut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 minutes ago, QCity said: Exactly. For 6+ months posters with even a rudimentary understanding of the cap have been saying we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. There are pinned threads explaining the cap layouts and why we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. The GM has said we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. But now, all of a sudden, it must be the owner? Everything has to be a conspiracy. The season isn't won or lost in free agency. Have you learned nothing from Rex Ryan? How else can you explain the Allen restrux? The money left on the table for this year has very little value over the rest of his contract. Only benefit is $8M kept in his pocket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, ngbills said: How else can you explain the Allen restrux? The money left on the table for this year has very little value over the rest of his contract. Only benefit is $8M kept in his pocket. Kept in his pocket? He got paid a big cash lump sum from what we restructured. Maybe we are saving the rest if we need it later or an extension is on deck next year Edited March 13 by Warriorspikes51 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Ralph would be proud; of course, Ralph was rarely "cash strapped". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 23 minutes ago, QCity said: Exactly. For 6+ months posters with even a rudimentary understanding of the cap have been saying we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. There are pinned threads explaining the cap layouts and why we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. The GM has said we aren't going to be big spenders in FA. But now, all of a sudden, it must be the owner? Everything has to be a conspiracy. The season isn't won or lost in free agency. Have you learned nothing from Rex Ryan? Yeah, it's kind of funny to me. The writing has been on the wall for months that big spending is out. We've never been in worse shape as far as how over we were and how many holes we have to fill. It felt like we all (well, most of us) kind of understood that FA was going to be about filling as many holes as we can and leaving WR2 to the Draft. And given where we were, we've actually done a pretty good job of that. We've signed a Starting Safety to replace one of Poyer or Hyde, a Starting 1T DT in Jones returning, a Starting Guard to take McGovern's place as he shifts over, and the DE3/DE2 insurance with the potential to start if Von doesn't return to form. Given where we were, that's massive. There's still things to do like the other Starting Safety spot and depth behind Oliver and Jones. But they've done things that allow us to focus on WR in the Draft. Which was always the plan. Yet, FA opens, and all of a sudden people think we're gonna go hog wild. Like... what? 10 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: You can take your medicine and still spend some cash. I’m not saying we should be wasting cash and cap space at the start of FA. I’m not a proponent of that. It is just that this is a severe decrease. We went from one of the top cash spenders to 17th currently. To me that looks ownership driven. No GM wants to throw on the brakes like that if they don’t have to. They get paid to win and it’s tough to do that without spending. The other possibility is that Beane is paying back/saving up against his spending constraints. He has a budget from Pegula. It is possible that he’s saving toward another spending ramp up. I guess in either case I’m just disappointed because it will be difficult to really compete in the near term if spending is substantially cut. In "spending cash", you're still writing contracts that include cap space in the form of other years or void years beyond this season. That cuts into later caps and then before you know it, we're in the same spot we are this year and the year before. You do that every year and every year is like the last two. Like I said, if there's an effort to limit spending this year - it's with creating the ability to be bigger players in the following years in mind. Edited March 13 by BillsFanForever19 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I'm just trying to figure out what the plan is with Armstead if we sign him. I thought he played 3-tech for San Fran. So why are we even targeting him? I know DL is a big need but we can't keep spending big money on defense and ignoring the offense in FA. Yeah, no offense to your source or the media member reporting it, but I really don't buy it. Like you said, it doesn't make much sense. If what you've heard is true, my guess is it's a situation where he called us and said he has interest in coming here, based on his family connection. We'd be interested in a discounted price, incentive laden deal. But we know that's highly unlikely to be agreed upon and that he'll have better offers. So we're just sitting back saying "yeah, let us know what you're best offer is" - knowing full well he's going to have a market where when the time comes we just say "yeah, can't do that". Edited March 13 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Kept in his pocket? He got paid a big cash lump sum from what we restructured. Maybe we are saving the rest if we need it later or an extension is on deck next year I have not heard of multiple restructures of a contract in the same year. Usually you do it all at once. Saving it for later would mean there is limited cast available. The owner controls cash available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: In "spending cash", you're still writing contracts that include cap space in the form of other years or void years beyond this season. That cuts into later caps and then before you know it, we're in the same spot we are this year and the year before. You do that every year and every year is like the last two. Like I said, if there's an effort to limit spending this year - it's with creating the ability to be bigger players in the following years in mind. Sure. But again, there could be a middle ground of taking our medicine for past spending and competing now. I expected the Bills to be limited in free agency, but this is more severe than I was expecting. I thought they’d maximize what they could reasonably do, but it looks like they’re backing off a lot more than that. That all said, free agency only officially opened 3 hours ago so the book isn’t closed. Besides, there’s nothing to do now but see how it all plays out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 47 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: No hope for Buffalo. Just a general question. I don't see any upside to them keeping him. Either lose him when he demands a trade or pay him $30 million + and not be able to fully utilize his talent due to lack of a QB. He'd fetch quite a haul and you have Addison and Hockenson already. Just a thought. I honestly wouldn’t be mad throwing 2 if not 3 first rounders for him… The Von contract should be off the books by the time it’s re-up time. On top of that, might be time to move on from Diggs. Would be ironic if we ended up getting the guy we, theoretically by draft pick, could have had instead of Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Sure. But again, there could be a middle ground of taking our medicine for past spending and competing now. I expected the Bills to be limited in free agency, but this is more severe than I was expecting. I thought they’d maximize what they could reasonably do, but it looks like they’re backing off a lot more than that. That all said, free agency only officially opened 3 hours ago so the book isn’t closed. Besides, there’s nothing to do now but see how it all plays out. They've actually done a lot. We had a LOT of things to take care of. So we couldn't spend too much in one place. There's just not much on the external front. Going into Free Agency - the plan in my mind was to take care of major holes that could leave us to address WR in the Draft. To that end we've filled: Starting Safety 1 - Re-Signed Taylor Rapp Starting Safety 2 - Starting 1T DT - Re-Signed Daquan Jones Starting OG Replacing McGovern switching to Center - Re-Signed David Edwards DE3/Possible DE2 in the event Miller is done - Re-Signed AJ Epenesa And we addressed some other depth things with inexpensive options like QB2 (Trubisky), LB3 replacing Dodson (Morrow), WR5/Special Teams Gunner (Hollins), Safety 3 (Lewis). There's still things like the other Starting Safety spot, rotational DT's behind Oliver and Jones, RB2/3, and a couple backup OL. But the idea that we haven't "maximized" what we could do, based on the amount of money we had and the major things we needed to get done isn't true in my mind. We covered a lot of the major holes. Even with the "backing off a lot more" as you put it, we're effectively at zero when it comes to space we have. Edited March 13 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 We still have significant needs. It is unlikely that our draft picks will fill all remaining holes as starters, part-time players or back-ups. Would have to think that additional bargain basement free agents will be signed, but they will not be upgrades compared to what we had last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 21 minutes ago, ngbills said: I have not heard of multiple restructures of a contract in the same year. Usually you do it all at once. Saving it for later would mean there is limited cast available. The owner controls cash available. If they re-restructured JA’s contract tomorrow, would the two restructurings technically be in two separate league years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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