Trump, Project 2025 and Christofascists seeking to steal our country = Minority Rule

[LeviF]

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Given that allegory was a common form of literature among old testament writers and that parables were extremely important in the new testament, what you say here is just plain ignorant.

 

lol

 

Leaving aside the types of literature found in the text, allegorical interpretations of a text do not preclude literal readings as well. Paul describes Abraham's baby mommas in an allegorical fashion in his letter to the Galatians; do you suppose that a first century jew did not believe that Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar were real people?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

lol

 

Leaving aside the types of literature found in the text, allegorical interpretations of a text do not preclude literal readings as well. Paul describes Abraham's baby mommas in an allegorical fashion in his letter to the Galatians; do you suppose that a first century jew did not believe that Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar were real people?

How old was Noah when he died.  Moses?  Was the earth created in 6 days?  Was the Ark story historical?  Were Adam and Eve really the first humans and were living blissfully in the garden  of eden?  C'mon.  Graduate from 1st grade religion class.  Parables by definition are not literal.

 

a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels.

"the parable of the blind men and the elephant"  synonym=fable

Edited February 26 by Joe Ferguson forever

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

How old was Noah when he died.  Moses?  Was the earth created in 6 days?  Was the Ark story historical?  Were Adam and Eve really the first humans and were living blissfully in the garden  of eden?  C'mon.  Graduate from 1st grade religion class.  Parables by definition are not literal.

 

If you can't speak in good faith what's the point of even replying? The vast majority of the Bible calls for a literal reading. Whether Genesis 1-11 does or does not has been debated by people smarter than us.

 

Moses is an allegory? Again, what jew would have felt that way in the first century?

 

And just stop with the parable *****. Parables are stories told to illustrate the point. But the *literal reading* would be that Jesus literally spoke the parables. Not that someone made them up later to make the teachings of Jesus easier to digest.

Edited February 26 by LeviF

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

Replace “God” with “Allah” and see what kind of reaction conservatives would give 

 

BINGO

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, LeviF said:

The vast majority of the Bible calls for a literal reading

well a little concession is better than no concession.  so who among the great fundamentalist theologians decides what is and isn't literal.  What I see is the words that support their extremist agenda are to be taken literally and those that don't are ignored;  like the 10 commandments and the orange false god.  more importantly, what is your beef against Catholics?  Is it the Theology or something else?

Edited February 26 by Joe Ferguson forever

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

So this is a big nothing burger, but fear sells so, buy up I guess. Btw I'm not religious at all.

[LeviF]

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

well a little concession is better than no concession.  so who among the great fundamentalist theologians decides what is and isn't literal.  What I see is the words that support their extremist agenda are to be taken literally and those that don't are ignored;  like the 10 commandments and the orange false god.

 

I'm sure that the Bible has some words on literal idol smashing. 

 

What are they ignoring? You're starting to sound like this: 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

44 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Probably a decent chunk, to be honest.
 

A Christian Nationalist is a person who believes that the USA should explicitly one religion - evangelical Christianity - and base all its laws around the Bible. No separation of church and state, no freedom of association or speech. You either follow the Bible or get out. Or worse. 

To be fair, you can't even put a number on your fear. You should worry about the economy, or the massive amount of people pouring in from our southern border, oh wait. But UBER Christians are the issue, got it.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

I'm sure that the Bible has some words on literal idol smashing. 

 

What are they ignoring? You're starting to sound like this: 

 

Untrue.  I'm  a practicing Catholic.  Not ignoring anything.  Maybe you should read some of the New Testament writings on how to treat immigrants and the unfortunate.  Literal interpretation of the bible is what happens when some dummy ignores or is ignorant of the 2000+ year old historical context of the bible and to the writers of it. The informed understand the goals of many of the authors in the dire time period of the middle east at the time.  Context matters.  But admittedly, it's easier to take every word literally.  No study or thought needed.  A trip to the Assyrian portion of the British museum might help your understanding of the old testament era.  

why do you dislike (hate?) Catholics

6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

. But UBER Christians are the issue, got it.

yup.  A large portion of the stupid MAGA base and a threat to all who don't believe what they do...

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Untrue.  I'm  a practicing Catholic.  Not ignoring anything.  Maybe you should read some of the New Testament writings on how to treat immigrants and the unfortunate.  Literal interpretation of the bible is what happens when some dummy ignores or is ignorant of the 2000+ year old historical context of the bible and to the writers of it. The informed understand the goals of many of the authors in the dire time period of the middle east at the time.  Context matters.  But admittedly, it's easier to take every word literally.  No study or thought needed.  A trip to the Assyrian portion of the British museum might help your understanding of the old testament era.  

why do you dislike (hate?) Catholics

yup.  A large portion of the stupid MAGA base and a threat to all who don't believe what they do...

No. Just stop.

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Untrue.  I'm  a practicing Catholic.  Not ignoring anything.  Maybe you should read some of the New Testament writings on how to treat immigrants and the unfortunate.  Literal interpretation of the bible is what happens when some dummy ignores or is ignorant of the 2000+ year old historical context of the bible and to the writers of it. The informed understand the goals of many of the authors in the dire time period of the middle east at the time.  Context matters.  But admittedly, it's easier to take every word literally.  No study or thought needed.  A trip to the Assyrian portion of the British museum might help your understanding of the old testament era.  

why do you dislike (hate?) Catholics

yup.  A large portion of the stupid MAGA base and a threat to all who don't believe what they do...

 

So the books of the Kings, the words of the major and minor prophets, all can be cast aside according to Catholic doctrine? I think not.

 

I have no beef with Catholics (especially on Fridays during Lent).

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

No. Just stop.

The fact you don't like it reassures me that I'm hitting the mark.

2 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

So the books of the Kings, the words of the major and minor prophets, all can be cast aside according to Catholic doctrine? I think not.

 

I have no beef with Catholics (especially on Fridays during Lent).

Not sure how you got to YOUR conclusion from what I've said which is that the bible is not a book to be blindly taken literally.  Ya know, the fundamentalist way.

Re the last sentence, why do you consider Cartholicism bad as a Mexican characteristic?  You keep ducking this.  You said it.  I'm asking why.

[LeviF]

9 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

The fact you don't like it reassures me that I'm hitting the mark.

Not sure how you got to YOUR conclusion from what I've said which is that the bible is not a book to be blindly taken literally.  Ya know, the fundamentalist way.

Re the last sentence, why do you consider Cartholicism bad as a Mexican characteristic?  You keep ducking this.  You said it.  I'm asking why.

I didn’t say that, your reading comprehension is (again) demonstrably poor. 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

The fact you don't like it reassures me that I'm hitting the mark.

Not sure how you got to YOUR conclusion from what I've said which is that the bible is not a book to be blindly taken literally.  Ya know, the fundamentalist way.

Re the last sentence, why do you consider Cartholicism bad as a Mexican characteristic?  You keep ducking this.  You said it.  I'm asking why.

I'm not religious, what's to not like? This is a non issue. 

[sherpa]

34 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

So the books of the Kings, the words of the major and minor prophets, all can be cast aside according to Catholic doctrine?

 

A good deal of "Catholic Doctrine" is non Biblical.

 

Papal bulls is a good place to start.

[BillStime]

42 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

But UBER Christians are the issue, got it.

 

Yet, look at the threads by the cult attacking LGTBQ - a community that comprises ~1 percent of the population of this country.

 

Reminder: no one is attacking Christianity - but this country is and will never be theocracy or a Christian nation.

 

You best come to terms with that sooner than later.

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

Yet, look at the threads by the cult attacking LGTBQ - a community that comprises ~1 percent of the population of this country.

 

Reminder: no one is attacking Christianity - but this country is and will never be theocracy or a Christian nation.

 

You best come to terms with that sooner than later.

 

 

I don't give a *****, I'm not religious. And to be fair the lgbtq community is attacking people, and the media is trying to bury it.

[BillStime]

18 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

I don't give a *****, I'm not religious. And to be fair the lgbtq community is attacking people, and the media is trying to bury it.

 
Attacking who?

 

 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Replace “God” with “Allah” and see what kind of reaction conservatives would give 

 

We know Dems would be "they're entitled to their beliefs."

[Roundybout]

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

I will allow one synapse the opportunity to worry about this nonsense when I hear one person ever mention such a thought.

One can find any manner of internet lunatic videos.

I never have heard any such talk, and I have been a Christian since Baptism and student of the Bible for well over a decade.

Anyone who ever suggested some kind of takeover would be labeled a lunatic in my circle. 

 

 

 

 

You should ask these guys what they think 

 

[B-Man]

 

When the Founders established the protective notion of freedom of religion and the proscription against a religious test for office, the context was the rivalry and animosity between the Protestant sects and Catholicism, and with the understanding that the small Jewish community could be free to worship as it chose as well.

 

It's worth remembering that the Constitution's prohibition against an "establishment of religion" referred to the establishment nationwide of a single Protestant sect (or, God forbid, Catholicism) -- and yet the states were perfectly free to have established churches: Connecticut and Massachusetts, for example, which were constitutionally Congregationalist into the 19th century. 

 

The idea that freedom of religion would eventually be exploited against the United States of America by the West's deadliest enemies, the Muslims who had been battling the Christian Byzantines and the European Crusaders for a millennium and who were still raiding and slaving in European countries along the Mediterranean right up through the 18th century, never occurred to them.

 

And yet, the Left has no issues with Islamic supremacists such as Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib in the federal government; it's the waning, defensive Protestants against whom the animosity regarding "Christian Nationalism" is largely aimed.

 

{snip}

 

 

What frightens today's anti-Christians most is that our human rights come not from D.C. or the HR department but from a creator God, and that such an observation is "self-evident."

 

The party of slavery (which was overturned by a cabal of Christians), segregation (ditto), secularism, and sedition -- in other words, the Democrats -- cannot tolerate this, of course.

 

From the day Burr killed Hamilton they've been waging a war against the country as founded, importing the alien ideology of Marxism along with Emma Lazarus' huddled masses, yearning to breathe free and sow discord and discontent. 

 

Today, in an imperfect, recedingly Christian capitalist society the rebellion has taken root, having learned to play by the system's economic rules and create large fortunes (most of the obscene wealth in the U.S. these days is on the hard Left) for itself, but still nursing its ancient ideological grudges and cursing the very freedoms that make their lives here possible. They won't rest. 

 

https://the-pipeline.org/christian-right-gonna-get-yo-momma/

[Roundybout]

26 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

When the Founders established the protective notion of freedom of religion and the proscription against a religious test for office, the context was the rivalry and animosity between the Protestant sects and Catholicism, and with the understanding that the small Jewish community could be free to worship as it chose as well.

 

It's worth remembering that the Constitution's prohibition against an "establishment of religion" referred to the establishment nationwide of a single Protestant sect (or, God forbid, Catholicism) -- and yet the states were perfectly free to have established churches: Connecticut and Massachusetts, for example, which were constitutionally Congregationalist into the 19th century. 

 

The idea that freedom of religion would eventually be exploited against the United States of America by the West's deadliest enemies, the Muslims who had been battling the Christian Byzantines and the European Crusaders for a millennium and who were still raiding and slaving in European countries along the Mediterranean right up through the 18th century, never occurred to them.

 

And yet, the Left has no issues with Islamic supremacists such as Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib in the federal government; it's the waning, defensive Protestants against whom the animosity regarding "Christian Nationalism" is largely aimed.

 

{snip}

 

 

What frightens today's anti-Christians most is that our human rights come not from D.C. or the HR department but from a creator God, and that such an observation is "self-evident."

 

The party of slavery (which was overturned by a cabal of Christians), segregation (ditto), secularism, and sedition -- in other words, the Democrats -- cannot tolerate this, of course.

 

From the day Burr killed Hamilton they've been waging a war against the country as founded, importing the alien ideology of Marxism along with Emma Lazarus' huddled masses, yearning to breathe free and sow discord and discontent. 

 

Today, in an imperfect, recedingly Christian capitalist society the rebellion has taken root, having learned to play by the system's economic rules and create large fortunes (most of the obscene wealth in the U.S. these days is on the hard Left) for itself, but still nursing its ancient ideological grudges and cursing the very freedoms that make their lives here possible. They won't rest. 

 

https://the-pipeline.org/christian-right-gonna-get-yo-momma/

How is this possible when Burr killed Hamilton in 1804 and Das Kapital was published in 1867? Was Marx a time traveler?

Edited February 26 by Roundybout

[BillStime]

 

[BillsFanNC]

[L Ron Burgundy]

Look what Trump did to these morons.  

 

 

 

 

[JDHillFan]

50 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Was Marx a time traveler?

Let’s not be too quick to discount the possibility. Your ideological boardmate, redhawk, time traveled in order to go to college with Susan Collins. Why he wanted to do that I don’t know, but he did.

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

Notice there is never outrage from the cult over these tragedies?

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

On 2/26/2024 at 12:07 PM, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

What the hell is a Christian national anyway?

the same 30% deplorables in the same states:

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/28/poll-christian-nationalism-americans-reject

"Between the lines: Christian nationalism is a set of beliefs centered around white American Christianity's dominance in most aspects of life in the United States. 

Many Christian nationalists believe the federal government should declare the U.S. a Christian nation.

Many also believe U.S. laws should be based on Christian values and that God has called Christians to exercise dominion over all areas of American society.

What they're saying: "It's really a claim for an ethno-religious state, and so there's nothing democratic about that worldview," Robert P. Jones, president and founder of PRRI, tells Axios."

 

Edited February 28 by Joe Ferguson forever

[B-Man]

 

 

                                 

 

 

 

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

                                 

 

 

 

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Do you disagree with the above description of Christian Nationalism?  If so, why and in what way?

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

the same 30% deplorables in the same states:

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/28/poll-christian-nationalism-americans-reject

"Between the lines: Christian nationalism is a set of beliefs centered around white American Christianity's dominance in most aspects of life in the United States. 

Many Christian nationalists believe the federal government should declare the U.S. a Christian nation.

Many also believe U.S. laws should be based on Christian values and that God has called Christians to exercise dominion over all areas of American society.

What they're saying: "It's really a claim for an ethno-religious state, and so there's nothing democratic about that worldview," Robert P. Jones, president and founder of PRRI, tells Axios."

 

Deplorable? My god imagine being this hateful lol. Glad you're not my physician. And axios? Lmfao

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Deplorable? My god imagine being this hateful lol. Glad you're not my physician. And axios? Lmfao

at least now you know what christian nationalism is.  Do you support it?

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

at least now you know what christian nationalism is.  Do you support it?

I'm not religious so.....

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

I'm not religious so.....

55% of republicans do.  so you're an outlier.  great!  there is hope.

[B-Man]

 

LOL.

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

I'm not religious so.....

Me neither.  I get it that some people are religious but for me there are a lot of holes in the God theory. 

 

But I also don't support the left's attempt at redefining America as a socialist paradise.  Because every country that adopts their policies ends up a complete failure. 

 

Edited February 28 by All_Pro_Bills

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Me neither.  I get it that some people are religious but for me there are a lot of holes in the God theory. 

 

But I also don't support the left's attempt at redefining America as a socialist paradise.  Because every country that adopts their policies ends up a complete failure. 

 

So mark you down as against Christian Nationalism, a major component of trump's base and policies

[Pokebball]

19 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Do you disagree with the above description of Christian Nationalism?  If so, why and in what way?

probably

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

probably

why and in what way?  seems like there's some dissension in the MAGA ranks.