BillsPride12 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 28 minutes ago, noacls said: 300 mill over was last announcement. I would imagine it will continue to go up? Ugh I didn't even realize that was announced...but yeah sadly I doubt they are finished yet. I could see myself going down to maybe only attending one home game a year if that at the new stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 53 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Definitely post your experience. It's going to run $150 non-refundable to experience the virtual set-up. Only people definitely paying are going to drop that kind of money, presumably. It is a little weird that there's so little detail at this point, for a stadium that's well under way in construction. Seriously?!? I have club seats now so I expected it to be free. It never crossed my mind that it would be a money grab. That’s annoying AF. I’ll still probably do it but that just feels slimy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 56 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Definitely post your experience. It's going to run $150 non-refundable to experience the virtual set-up. wait… what??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Seriously?!? I have club seats now so I expected it to be free. It never crossed my mind that it would be a money grab. That’s annoying AF. I’ll still probably do it but that just feels slimy. Well, IDK, just reporting what they've said. Maybe they'll change it and it'll be free. I agree. But if you're definitely going to buy STs under the new arrangement, I believe that it's a deposit on your ST costs. Not that $150 will go that far. LOL I'm sure there's a link on TOS. 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Seriously?!? I have club seats now so I expected it to be free. It never crossed my mind that it would be a money grab. That’s annoying AF. I’ll still probably do it but that just feels slimy. 3 minutes ago, RiotAct said: wait… what??? The Bills are still seeking fans interested in signing up to be on the waiting list for season tickets at the new stadium. Those interested can sign up online, drop a $150 deposit and then they’ll be welcomed to the experience center after current season ticket holders. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/business/fans-still-waiting-for-a-virtual-reality-view-of-the-buffalo-bills-new-stadium/article_3b169834-7fd6-11ee-806c-a37a817c4a75.html So for $150 you'll be welcomed. LOL Edited February 16 by PBF81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Ahhh, okay. I would think that if you take the virtual stadium tour and decide to forego the season tix in the new place, you’d get your $150 back (hence the term “deposit”). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Ahhh, okay. I would think that if you take the virtual stadium tour and decide to forego the season tix in the new place, you’d get your $150 back (hence the term “deposit”). I was told by my season tix rep that the season tix waiting list is non-refundable. Wanted to increase out tix by 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 31 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, IDK, just reporting what they've said. Maybe they'll change it and it'll be free. I agree. But if you're definitely going to buy STs under the new arrangement, I believe that it's a deposit on your ST costs. Not that $150 will go that far. LOL I'm sure there's a link on TOS. The Bills are still seeking fans interested in signing up to be on the waiting list for season tickets at the new stadium. Those interested can sign up online, drop a $150 deposit and then they’ll be welcomed to the experience center after current season ticket holders. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/business/fans-still-waiting-for-a-virtual-reality-view-of-the-buffalo-bills-new-stadium/article_3b169834-7fd6-11ee-806c-a37a817c4a75.html So for $150 you'll be welcomed. LOL If it’s a deposit it’s still annoying but better than a straight money grab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, PBF81 said: Agree on the secondary market. As to the timing, it's not unreasonable to consider that they're waiting until the last possible time to release the price info so as not to dampen the mood of Bills Mafia and all that's associated with it. It's also reasonable to assume that when those prices are released, it's going to be a thing that permeates at least the regional media and social media. The prices have already more or less been released via their "survey," and Pegula has plainly stated that "his contribution" will be driven by the PSLs. It's also been stated that PSLs are a "one time" payment. Not sure that there's anything in there that suggests that the team will buy them back, because that's Pegula's "contribution" to the stadium expense. Why would he give that back? Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding is that if the STs are not renewed, then ownership defaults back to the team, as usual, and they can then charge another PSL to whomever purchases them next. It's the gift that keeps on giving for owners. Am I off there? I think you’re right on. But if there is a waiting list there may be incentive for the Bills to buy back PSLs at a lower price, to then sell them to another at a much higher price. Idk. I’m curious to see how all this works out. More information to come soon. 1 hour ago, PBF81 said: Definitely post your experience. It's going to run $150 non-refundable to experience the virtual set-up. Only people definitely paying are going to drop that kind of money, presumably. It is a little weird that there's so little detail at this point, for a stadium that's well under way in construction. I have not seen anywhere that there is a $150 non-refundable fee to do the virtual set up. Would love to know where you got that information. 45 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, IDK, just reporting what they've said. Maybe they'll change it and it'll be free. I agree. But if you're definitely going to buy STs under the new arrangement, I believe that it's a deposit on your ST costs. Not that $150 will go that far. LOL I'm sure there's a link on TOS. The Bills are still seeking fans interested in signing up to be on the waiting list for season tickets at the new stadium. Those interested can sign up online, drop a $150 deposit and then they’ll be welcomed to the experience center after current season ticket holders. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/business/fans-still-waiting-for-a-virtual-reality-view-of-the-buffalo-bills-new-stadium/article_3b169834-7fd6-11ee-806c-a37a817c4a75.html So for $150 you'll be welcomed. LOL That’s if you’re not currently a STH and on the list. It’s a deposit to get tix. Any current STH will have the option to use the experience without charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 47 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, IDK, just reporting what they've said. Maybe they'll change it and it'll be free. I agree. But if you're definitely going to buy STs under the new arrangement, I believe that it's a deposit on your ST costs. Not that $150 will go that far. LOL I'm sure there's a link on TOS. The Bills are still seeking fans interested in signing up to be on the waiting list for season tickets at the new stadium. Those interested can sign up online, drop a $150 deposit and then they’ll be welcomed to the experience center after current season ticket holders. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/business/fans-still-waiting-for-a-virtual-reality-view-of-the-buffalo-bills-new-stadium/article_3b169834-7fd6-11ee-806c-a37a817c4a75.html So for $150 you'll be welcomed. LOL There's no place I've seen that is saying or implying that current season ticket holders pay a fee or even a deposit for the virtual stadium experience. The article you linked is saying $150 deposit is to be on the season ticket waiting list. Then, once current ST holders are invited to the "experience", those on the waiting list will be invited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 18 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: If it’s a deposit it’s still annoying but better than a straight money grab. True. To their credit, everyone would want a "free VR tour" if they didn't charge something. It had to be high enough to weed out those not seriously interested in seasons. And also in fairness, $150 will be nothing compared to the cost of tix for those that do buy them. I'm not taking a position on that one way or the other, I've been an aftermarket for the big games or games of my choosing guy for years now. I view this as much of a business as they do in terms of attending games. I don't like to be thought of as something to be emotionally bilked for a billionaire and the league of billionaires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 11 minutes ago, mrags said: I think you’re right on. But if there is a waiting list there may be incentive for the Bills to buy back PSLs at a lower price, to then sell them to another at a much higher price. Idk. I’m curious to see how all this works out. More information to come soon. Same here. I have a strong hunch that there's going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth however at the sticker shock. Indigenous people continue to leave the area due to high taxes, I don't see this going over much better, particularly since nearly $1B of the cost came from taxes in one form or another and directly or indirectly. As with your earlier posts, I don't see any waiting list. Is there even one now? I share your take that brokers will buy them up for resale on the secondary market. If that creates a waiting list we'll see. Either way, I don't expect the fan reaction to be very positive. It seems as if a lot of people are entirely out of tune with the prices floated in their survey, and given the cost increases already, just months in, it'd be unwise to expect those prices to drop. 11 minutes ago, mrags said: I have not seen anywhere that there is a $150 non-refundable fee to do the virtual set up. Would love to know where you got that information. That’s if you’re not currently a STH and on the list. It’s a deposit to get tix. Any current STH will have the option to use the experience without charge. Yeah, thanks for that take on the deposit. I guess I read it incorrectly. What you said sounds correct. I have no problem with them charging a deposit to take the VR tour. It would be unmanageable otherwise. I'm simply awaiting more detail pics of what the damn thing will look like, primarily inside. So far we've been handed nothing but general almost generic sketches. They've gotta know what the final product looks like, why are they so secretive about it. It's a stadium, not a temple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Same here. I have a strong hunch that there's going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth however at the sticker shock. Indigenous people continue to leave the area due to high taxes, I don't see this going over much better, particularly since nearly $1B of the cost came from taxes in one form or another and directly or indirectly. As with your earlier posts, I don't see any waiting list. Is there even one now? I share your take that brokers will buy them up for resale on the secondary market. If that creates a waiting list we'll see. Either way, I don't expect the fan reaction to be very positive. It seems as if a lot of people are entirely out of tune with the prices floated in their survey, and given the cost increases already, just months in, it'd be unwise to expect those prices to drop. Yeah, thanks for that take on the deposit. I guess I read it incorrectly. What you said sounds correct. I have no problem with them charging a deposit to take the VR tour. It would be unmanageable otherwise. I'm simply awaiting more detail pics of what the damn thing will look like, primarily inside. So far we've been handed nothing but general almost generic sketches. They've gotta know what the final product looks like, why are they so secretive about it. It's a stadium, not a temple. Just to be sure, after reading your post, I contacted the Bills via Chat. Also, I didn't cover it in the chat, but it's clear from the website that the deposit is refundable if you decide to not buy the tickets minus a $3 "processing fee". If you do buy ST in the new stadium, it goes towards the 2026 tickets. Here's the chat: Edited February 16 by CA OC Bills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 11 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Same here. I have a strong hunch that there's going to be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth however at the sticker shock. Indigenous people continue to leave the area due to high taxes, I don't see this going over much better, particularly since nearly $1B of the cost came from taxes in one form or another and directly or indirectly. As with your earlier posts, I don't see any waiting list. Is there even one now? I share your take that brokers will buy them up for resale on the secondary market. If that creates a waiting list we'll see. Either way, I don't expect the fan reaction to be very positive. It seems as if a lot of people are entirely out of tune with the prices floated in their survey, and given the cost increases already, just months in, it'd be unwise to expect those prices to drop. Yeah, thanks for that take on the deposit. I guess I read it incorrectly. What you said sounds correct. I have no problem with them charging a deposit to take the VR tour. It would be unmanageable otherwise. I'm simply awaiting more detail pics of what the damn thing will look like, primarily inside. So far we've been handed nothing but general almost generic sketches. They've gotta know what the final product looks like, why are they so secretive about it. It's a stadium, not a temple. Last time when I spoke with my rep they informed me the current wait list for tix is over 7k people. Imo they are banking on that. Once the new stadium is built it’ll have approx 10k less seats. Then after thousands don’t renew after the sticker shock they will be in a place where they feel comfortable with the people they have on the wait list. im with you on the whole thing. The prices are going to be ridiculous. I honestly don’t know if I’m going to renew or not. Waiting to see the costs. I’m planning for the worst and saving accordingly for it. But also fully prepared to walk away if it’s just crazy. Like I’ve always said in all my bitching and complaining about this whole process. I’m ok paying club seat prices for seats in the new stadium. But If im going to spend that kind of money I want to be comfortable, warm, and dry in the winter. If I can’t get that for a reasonable price, I’ll watch from my couch. All while picking up 2-3 games a year on the secondary market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Pegula cashing in !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 The experience center is where fans will experience their potential seat in the new stadium in virtual reality and feel what it is like to sit in a variety of seats from a 360-degree view. Fans will also be able to design where they want to park and tailgate and then enter and make their way around the new stadium, in addition to finding out what their options will be for food and beverages. The Bills are still seeking fans interested in signing up to be on the waiting list for season tickets at the new stadium. Those interested can sign up online, drop a $150 deposit and then they’ll be welcomed to the experience center after current season ticket holders. The $150 is for people without season tickets. Read people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 39 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said: Just to be sure, after reading your post, I contacted the Bills via Chat. Also, I didn't cover it in the chat, but it's clear from the website that the deposit is refundable if you decide to not buy the tickets minus a $3 "processing fee". If you do buy ST in the new stadium, it goes towards the 2026 tickets. Here's the chat: Thanks. I definitely recall reading that it was not refundable months back, maybe they changed it. Probably worth dropping a refundable deposit to catch a glimpse then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 33 minutes ago, mrags said: Last time when I spoke with my rep they informed me the current wait list for tix is over 7k people. Imo they are banking on that. Once the new stadium is built it’ll have approx 10k less seats. Then after thousands don’t renew after the sticker shock they will be in a place where they feel comfortable with the people they have on the wait list. im with you on the whole thing. The prices are going to be ridiculous. I honestly don’t know if I’m going to renew or not. Waiting to see the costs. I’m planning for the worst and saving accordingly for it. But also fully prepared to walk away if it’s just crazy. Like I’ve always said in all my bitching and complaining about this whole process. I’m ok paying club seat prices for seats in the new stadium. But If im going to spend that kind of money I want to be comfortable, warm, and dry in the winter. If I can’t get that for a reasonable price, I’ll watch from my couch. All while picking up 2-3 games a year on the secondary market. Well, fwiw, the survey pricing for between the 40's club-level anywhere, will run between $4,000 and $6,050 per seat. I guest that would be between $444/$500/seat and $672/$756/seat, plus the PSLs, which are also per seat, and between $11,200 and $24,450 per seat. End zones and upper deck corners much better obviously, but as with you, gone are the days that I'm willing to sit in the upper end zones or even upper decks. I cringe at the lower bowl secondary market prices if those prices end up being real. The least expensive covered/heated seats weren't too bad, but there aren't many of them. They're the mezzanine level end zone seats at $820 per seat plus a $2,100 PSL. I imagine that those incredibly limited number of seats will be in high demand. Most the cheap seats have no heat or coverage according to the survey. Maybe something has changed, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, PBF81 said: Well, IDK, just reporting what they've said. Maybe they'll change it and it'll be free. I agree. But if you're definitely going to buy STs under the new arrangement, I believe that it's a deposit on your ST costs. Not that $150 will go that far. LOL I'm sure there's a link on TOS. The Bills are still seeking fans interested in signing up to be on the waiting list for season tickets at the new stadium. Those interested can sign up online, drop a $150 deposit and then they’ll be welcomed to the experience center after current season ticket holders. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/business/fans-still-waiting-for-a-virtual-reality-view-of-the-buffalo-bills-new-stadium/article_3b169834-7fd6-11ee-806c-a37a817c4a75.html So for $150 you'll be welcomed. LOL I think the $150 deposit is for NON-season ticket holders, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I think the $150 deposit is for NON-season ticket holders, Thats how I read that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 2/15/2024 at 10:07 AM, PromoTheRobot said: Somewhat off topic, what are the rules about transferring season ticket ownership to family members? I found you on the DNA website 044 and me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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