Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes

[SaulGoodman]

16 minutes ago, Success said:

 

That wasn't the narrative I heard - nationally, or here.  Especially not "win comfortably."  Personally, I thought there was a chance we could have a good win, but I'm one of the biggest homers here, and got my usual round of laughing & eyeroll emojis.  It was nowhere near "prevailing."

 

As I said: most thought the Bills were too banged up, especially after the losses in the Pitt game.  Even your guy Wright said that.  And it was a huge concern here on this board.

 

No offense, but you seems to fabricate a lot of stuff.  Or maybe just misremember.

 

 

I did see some posters voicing concern about the injury to Bernard and such in various threads, but if you pull up the pregame predictions thread, you'll see that almost everyone predicted the Bills to win. Most by multiple scores. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

But you're preaching to the choir, man. KC's defenses have been worse than Buffalo's every year before this one. In both the regular season and postseason. They've allowed 30+ in 5 playoff games and played poorly in several others. As beebe has pointed out, Buffalo's defense has played fine against just about everyone but KC. Allen has the same problem as every other QB in the league. His defense can't shut down KC. Sure, you can talk about the SB in Tampa or the second half vs Cincy a few years ago, but those are outliers.

 

I see people mention Buffalo's loss to Cincinnati a lot. Do you think Cincinnati's 27 points were the problem, or the 10 pts that the Bills scored? Who are you going to beat in the playoffs with 10 pts? 27 was a pretty average number for that Bengals team. You can't expect to shut down offenses of that caliber, especially in the postseason. 

 

Let me ask you this...prior to this year, how do you think KC's defenses would have fared against their offenses in the playoffs? If there were a way to prove it, I'd bet you any amount you wanted that they'd fare worse than Buffalo has. 

 

 

I'd say the Bills/Bengals game was a lot like the Chiefs/Bucs game. Bills and Chiefs both came out flat and got dominated at the LOS. The QB did what they could, but the rest of the team was atrocious (offense and defense). 

 

Chiefs allowed 31 points to the Texans in a playoff win. However, 7 of those points came on a blocked punt and another 7 came on a 6 yard drive after a muffed punt. You guys forced 4 turnover on downs, 1 fumble, and 3 punts. Despite the 31 points this was a significantly better DEF performance than the 27 points allowed by the Bills vs Bengals (or the most recent Chiefs game). 

 

Even the Chiefs D performance against the Eagles is better than any Bills loss. 2 forced punts and a turnover that the DEF returned for a TD. 

[Nextmanup]

[Sweats]

52 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

I did see some posters voicing concern about the injury to Bernard and such in various threads, but if you pull up the pregame predictions thread, you'll see that almost everyone predicted the Bills to win. Most by multiple scores. 

 

 

 

So, you're judging what was said about the pregame predictions from what you read on a "Buffalo Bills Message Board"?!?........do you honestly think Bills fans are going to slight the team, put them in a bad light or degrade their team on their OWN message board leading up to the biggest game of the year for the franchise?

 

Wow kid.....just wow.

Move along now......nothing to see here.

 

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

So, you're judging what was said about the pregame predictions from what you read on a "Buffalo Bills Message Board"?!?........do you honestly think Bills fans are going to slight the team, put them in a bad light or degrade their team on their OWN message board leading up to the biggest game of the year for the franchise?

 

Wow kid.....just wow.

Move along now......nothing to see here.

 

 

You might want to read what I was responding to and then it will make sense. 

[Sweats]

18 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

You might want to read what I was responding to and then it will make sense. 

 

 

 

Nothing you've said for 12 pages makes any sense.

 

Move along now.......nothing to see here.

[SaulGoodman]

9 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

Nothing you've said for 12 pages makes any sense.

 

Move along now.......nothing to see here.

 

Try Hooked on Phonics. You can thank me later. 

[Turk71]

On 2/20/2024 at 8:58 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

I did see some posters voicing concern about the injury to Bernard and such in various threads, but if you pull up the pregame predictions thread, you'll see that almost everyone predicted the Bills to win. Most by multiple scores. 

Wtf?

It's a Bills message board you idiot😆

Besides, you need to fly over to the 9ers board pronto.🧚‍♀️

 They're dissing Mahomes again and you're not there to stroke and fondle his ........

public image and legacy 

[SaulGoodman]

17 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Wtf?

It's a Bills message board you idiot😆

Besides, you need to fly over to the 9ers board pronto.🧚‍♀️

 They're dissing Mahomes again and you're not there to stroke and fondle his ........

public image and legacy 

 

Before you call somebody an idiot, you might want to actually read the conversation. I was told that few were predicting or expecting a Buffalo win (and especially not a comfortable win). I didn't say that I was surprised to see predictions of a Buffalo win. 

 

And while I'd expect to see a lot of predictions of a Bills win, if fans were so concerned about injuries and felt they were at a disadvantage, I wouldn't expect to see a lot of predictions of blowouts. Would you? But there were many. 

Edited February 22 by SaulGoodman

[ScotSHO]

I don't like this phase of the offseason.  Mental arm wrestling matches and such. 

 

I can't wait until we get to the training camp sleeper threads.  That 9th WR on the depth chart that's going to revolutionize the sport.  I bet he'll be a Williams of some sort this year; we've been short on Williams-eses for a while since Kyle retired. 

[Jim]

On 2/20/2024 at 11:58 AM, SaulGoodman said:

 

I did see some posters voicing concern about the injury to Bernard and such in various threads, but if you pull up the pregame predictions thread, you'll see that almost everyone predicted the Bills to win. Most by multiple scores. 

WAIT!

 

Wait, wait, wait!

 

You saw that fanatical fans of a football team were super hopeful that their team was gonna kick ass before a big game, hoping against hope that this was gonna be the time it FINALLY happened? Yeah, definitely disrespecting Drunk Pat Sr.’s son. See, now that is disrespect.

[Jim]

Also, imagine being so stuck on the nuts of a twenty something man that you go message boards to defend his “honor.” 
 

And by the way, the lack of respect you show for father of the year Andy Reid is horrifying. It’s not all Patrick and I for one am disgusted that you give all the credit to him. 

[TheFunPolice]

no...

 

What Allen needs is Derrick Henry, Diggs, Mike Evans, a 1st or 2nd round rookie WR, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox and Cook on offense this season.

 

That would do it. 

 

 

Edited February 22 by TheFunPolice

[SaulGoodman]

39 minutes ago, Jim said:

Also, imagine being so stuck on the nuts of a twenty something man that you go message boards to defend his “honor.” 
 

And by the way, the lack of respect you show for father of the year Andy Reid is horrifying. It’s not all Patrick and I for one am disgusted that you give all the credit to him. 

 

Ha...not the reason I come to this board, but no one is more stuck on a QB's nuts than Bills fans and Allen. Now imagine if he had 3 rings and two MVPs in six seasons. 

[Success]

56 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Ha...not the reason I come to this board, but no one is more stuck on a QB's nuts than Bills fans and Allen. Now imagine if he had 3 rings and two MVPs in six seasons. 

 

You think we'd be on the boards of teams that hadn't won a ring yet clamoring for even MORE credit & praise for Allen?  Like, literally within days of winning another SB?

 

I wouldn't be. Not a chance.

 

[Jim]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Ha...not the reason I come to this board, but no one is more stuck on a QB's nuts than Bills fans and Allen. Now imagine if he had 3 rings and two MVPs in six seasons. 

So now you’re here to play “I know you are but what am I?”

 

And no, at least in my case I am not obsessed with a twentysomething I’ve never met who plays football. I feel no need to defend how great he is, nor do I post Twitter posts about how great he is every hour.

 

I love football but I have to admit that the way people have based their identities on these guys is creepy. When I see things like this guy who goes to another teams board to do whatever it is this “Saul” guy who doesn’t use his real name does, or I see people on Twitter posting 50 times a day about Tua/Josh/Pat/whoever it’s just pathetic. It confirms to me that this stuff is their life. It’s sad.

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

You think we'd be on the boards of teams that hadn't won a ring yet clamoring for even MORE credit & praise for Allen?  Like, literally within days of winning another SB?

 

I wouldn't be. Not a chance.

 

 

People can keep saying that I'm clamoring for praise, but it doesn't make it true. 

 

Btw, there were Bills fans creating threads on the KC board like "The Bills will take the AFC this season." If the roles were reversed, do you think I'd be doing that? Not a chance.

 

It's pretty easy to make claims that no one can disprove (but I actually wouldn't do that). 

Edited February 22 by SaulGoodman

[Success]

12 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

People can keep saying that I'm clamoring for praise, but it doesn't make it true. 

 

Btw, there were Bills fans creating threads on the KC board like "The Bills will take the AFC this season." If the roles were reversed, do you think I'd be doing that? Not a chance.

 

It's pretty easy to make claims that no one can disprove (but I actually wouldn't do that). 

 

You've said a few times that Mahomes isn't getting enough credit on here...no?

 

At one point, you said no one here was giving him credit.  Which you later corrected when it was pointed out that most here praise him.

 

Edited February 22 by Success

[SaulGoodman]

1 hour ago, Jim said:

So now you’re here to play “I know you are but what am I?”

 

And no, at least in my case I am not obsessed with a twentysomething I’ve never met who plays football. I feel no need to defend how great he is, nor do I post Twitter posts about how great he is every hour.

 

I love football but I have to admit that the way people have based their identities on these guys is creepy. When I see things like this guy who goes to another teams board to do whatever it is this “Saul” guy who doesn’t use his real name does, or I see people on Twitter posting 50 times a day about Tua/Josh/Pat/whoever it’s just pathetic. It confirms to me that this stuff is their life. It’s sad.

 

First of all, who uses their real name on an anonymous board? If that somehow makes you less "pathetic," then I guess you're less pathetic than 99% of fellow Bills fans and the entire internet. 

 

My identity isn't based on a football player or team. If there's anything creepy around here, it's the insistence that Allen can do no wrong and branding him "Superman." I wouldn't be surprised if some people from that part of the country actually worship him. 

[Success]

5 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

First of all, who uses their real name on an anonymous board? If that somehow makes you less "pathetic," then I guess you're less pathetic than 99% of fellow Bills fans and the entire internet. 

 

My identity isn't based on a football player or team. If there's anything creepy around here, it's the insistence that Allen can do no wrong and branding him "Superman." I wouldn't be surprised if some people from that part of the country actually worship him. 

 

I don't think I've seen anyone here use the word "Superman," or even say he could do no wrong.

 

We think he's a top tier QB. Which apparently you don't, since you said you don't think he would have done "much" with a team Mahomes won a SB with.

 

[SaulGoodman]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I don't think I've seen anyone here use the word "Superman," or even say he could do no wrong.

 

We think he's a top tier QB. Which apparently you don't, since you said you don't think he would have done "much" with a team Mahomes won a SB with.

 

 

 

I must be in the Twilight Zone, because you keep telling me that no one says things that I see all the time. I’ve literally seen “Allen has to be Superman” numerous times. And others will say that he has to carry the team. He’s not carrying a bunch of bums. He has a very good supporting cast, which many will admit when making a different argument. 
 

And I just said a few posts back that Allen and Mahomes are in a tier of their own. Which is pretty high praise considering there are other QBs who have won multiple MVPs, been to Super Bowls, etc. But I would rank Mahomes higher, as would most experts and media people. And as you likely would if you weren’t a Bills fan. 
 

Also, I never said that Allen wouldn’t have done much. Someone here told me that Allen would have won 6 SBs with Reid and I said probably not. I didn’t say he wouldn’t have done well. 

[beebe]

15 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I don't think I've seen anyone here use the word "Superman," or even say he could do no wrong.

 

 

Do a search for "Superman" on this forum. You'll retrieve 1856 results and 75 pages worth of usages. More specifically, do a search that includes both "Josh" and "Superman" and you'll find 330 results and 14 pages. Hope this helps. 

[Success]

2 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

Do a search for "Superman" on this forum. You'll retrieve 1856 results and 75 pages worth of usages. More specifically, do a search that includes both "Josh" and "Superman" and you'll find 330 results and 14 pages. Hope this helps. 

 

The KC fans really adore ya.

 

Thanks for the tip.

 

[Success]

15 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

Do a search for "Superman" on this forum. You'll retrieve 1856 results and 75 pages worth of usages. More specifically, do a search that includes both "Josh" and "Superman" and you'll find 330 results and 14 pages. Hope this helps. 

 

Also, any context on that?

 

I did the search.  The vast majority of references seem to be game threads, where Josh makes a great play and someone says "he's Superman!"  Kind of like fans do the "he is HIM."  Basically every fanbase does that.

 

I also see quite a few "Allen needs to be Superman for us to win," or that kind of thing.

 

I'm sure you'll search further to find ways to prove me wrong or something, but context is important on this one.  There is far more "Allen needs to improve" on this board than "Allen can do no wrong," which our KC friend contended in his neverending quest for Mahomes credit.

 

Edited February 22 by Success

[Sharky7337]

Someone needs to mentally overpower these posts lol

[SaulGoodman]

15 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Also, any context on that?

 

I did the search.  The vast majority of references seem to be game threads, where Josh makes a great play and someone says "he's Superman!"  Kind of like fans do the "he is HIM."  Basically every fanbase does that.

 

I also see quite a few "Allen needs to be Superman for us to win," or that kind of thing.

 

I'm sure you'll search further to find ways to prove me wrong or something, but context is important on this one.  There is far more "Allen needs to improve" on this board than "Allen can do no wrong," which our KC friend contended in his neverending quest for Mahomes credit.

 

 

He doesn't have to be Superman for them to win. He's supported by a good running game, good receiving weapons (including two good TEs), good tackles, and a very good defense (yes, yes, their LB situation vs KC wasn't ideal, I get it). 

 

If the Bills were to add one more solid WR and maybe bolster the interior line a bit, their offense would be absolutely loaded. I don't get the narrative that he has to carry a bunch of scrubs. 

[Success]

2 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

He doesn't have to be Superman for them to win. He's supported by a good running game, good receiving weapons (including two good TEs), good tackles, and a very good defense (yes, yes, their LB situation vs KC wasn't ideal, I get it). 

 

If the Bills were to add one more solid WR and maybe bolster the interior line a bit, their offense would be absolutely loaded. I don't get the narrative that he has to carry a bunch of scrubs. 

 

No one said he has to carry a bunch of scrubs.  He didn't have a great WR corps this year, though.  Harty & Sherfield didn't pan out.  Diggs started off great, but wasn't close to himself the last few months; I am fairly sure he was trying to work through an injury.  Davis is incredibly inconsistent, and was hurt at the end.  All of the all-22 stuff for the Bills showed epic problems w/ the receivers getting separation.

 

Sure, Mahomes had a similar bad situation there.  But he had a much better D - certainly at the end of the season & in the playoffs.

 

Allen has had to do more for the Bills than most QB's have to do for their teams.  I really don't think that's disputable.

 

[Prospector]

Has someone already posted mind attack battle pic from Dinner with Schmucks?

This is what I am imagining

[SaulGoodman]

40 minutes ago, Success said:

 

No one said he has to carry a bunch of scrubs.  He didn't have a great WR corps this year, though.  Harty & Sherfield didn't pan out.  Diggs started off great, but wasn't close to himself the last few months; I am fairly sure he was trying to work through an injury.  Davis is incredibly inconsistent, and was hurt at the end.  All of the all-22 stuff for the Bills showed epic problems w/ the receivers getting separation.

 

Sure, Mahomes had a similar bad situation there.  But he had a much better D - certainly at the end of the season & in the playoffs.

 

Allen has had to do more for the Bills than most QB's have to do for their teams.  I really don't think that's disputable.

 

 

The narrative all year was that KC's WR corps was so bad that they didn't stand a chance of going deep even WITH a good defense and Mahomes. And it was mostly true, although Rice did eventually emerge as a pretty good weapon.

 

Was anyone saying anything of the sort about Allen's weapons? 

 

And it's one thing to have inconsistent production....it's another thing entirely to have no feel for the game, consistently run routes poorly, and drop or fumble every other target. Which describes practically every receiver but Rice this year. 

 

Before Rice emerged, Gabe Davis would have been the clear #1 WR on the Chiefs, and most Bills fans think he's terrible. That says it all. 

 

KC's tackles were pretty bad too. Much weaker than Buffalo's. 

Edited February 22 by SaulGoodman

[Old Coot]

Let's try a counterfactual: (that means I know this trade would never happen but let's assume that it's on offer)

 

Mahomes for Allen trade, straight up one for one. You are the Bills' GM, do you do the trade?

 

Why or why not?

[Success]

26 minutes ago, Old Coot said:

Let's try a counterfactual: (that means I know this trade would never happen but let's assume that it's on offer)

 

Mahomes for Allen trade, straight up one for one. You are the Bills' GM, do you do the trade?

 

Why or why not?

 

I don't, which I'm sure might get some laughing emojis.

 

I just think both guys are right for their teams.  I think Allen has a better arm for the winds & conditions in Buffalo, and a tougher running style.  I also think he's just a tougher dude, which suits our city.

 

Mahomes is great & a good fit for KC.  I wouldn't trade Allen for him straight up.

 

[st pete gogolak]

Mods, I’m begging you to shut this thread down because it’s making my brain hurt.  Have no idea what it is supposed to be about to begin with but it’s devolved into a few Bills fans trying to rebut various asinine points coming from the KC Troll Brothers.  The Bros insist on having the last word so instead of that, please put a stop to the madness. Thanks!