ToGoGo Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Allen is way better than Mahomes. That will prove itself over the next 10 years. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 16 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Allen is way better than Mahomes. That will prove itself over the next 10 years. He is "way better" than Mahomes 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, beebe said: He is "way better" than Mahomes 🤣 The great thing about life, is that we will all eventually see who’s right. Me or you. But unfortunately for you, we’re going to need to wait another 10-15 years before you can say your favorite Chiefs QB is the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, ToGoGo said: The great thing about life, is that we will all eventually see who’s right. Me or you. But unfortunately for you, we’re going to need to wait another 10-15 years before you can say your favorite Chiefs QB is the best. Mahomes has played six NFL seasons. He's led a team that was literally nothing before he arrived to six straight AFC championship games. The Chiefs have hosted five of them. They've won four of them. They've had three Super Bowl wins. Mahomes is a two-time league MVP, a three-time Super Bowl MVP, a multi-time All Pro. His Chiefs have beaten Allen's Bills all three meetings in the playoffs, two home and one road. He's 15-3 in the postseason with 5,135 yards, 41 TDs and 8 INTs. His playoff losses have been to Brady twice (once in OT) and another OT game. He's rallied his team from 10-point deficits in three different Super Bowls. He's led a 24-point playoff rally and is 7-for-7 rallying a trailing team to a score inside 1 minute in playoff games. He's led his team down the field in 30 seconds to force OT in one playoff game and in 13 seconds to win another. He's won two Super Bowls with league-average defenses and another with the worst collection of receivers in the league. Josh Allen is 5-5 career in the playoffs. He's beaten the likes of Skylar Thompson, Mason Rudolph, fossil Phillip Rivers, Mac Jones and playoff choker Lamar. Your statement has no basis in fact. Your projection going forward ignores a six-year sample size. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, beebe said: Mahomes has played six NFL seasons. He's led a team that was literally nothing before he arrived to six straight AFC championship games. The Chiefs have hosted five of them. They've won four of them. They've had three Super Bowl wins. Mahomes is a two-time league MVP, a three-time Super Bowl MVP, a multi-time All Pro. His Chiefs have beaten Allen's Bills all three meetings in the playoffs, two home and one road. He's 15-3 in the postseason with 5,135 yards, 41 TDs and 8 INTs. His playoff losses have been to Brady twice (once in OT) and another OT game. He's rallied his team from 10-point deficits in three different Super Bowls. He's led a 24-point playoff rally and is 7-for-7 rallying a trailing team to a score inside 1 minute in playoff games. He's led his team down the field in 30 seconds to force OT in one playoff game and in 13 seconds to win another. He's won two Super Bowls with league-average defenses and another with the worst collection of receivers in the league. Josh Allen is 5-5 career in the playoffs. He's beaten the likes of Skylar Thompson, Mason Rudolph, fossil Phillip Rivers, Mac Jones and playoff choker Lamar. Your statement has no basis in fact. Your projection going forward ignores a six-year sample size. 'literally nothing'? They were winning their division and making the playoffs almost every year w Alex Smith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: 'literally nothing'? They were winning their division and making the playoffs almost every year w Alex Smith They won two division titles in five years with Alex Smith, missed the playoffs once, and lost playoff games to a team that didn't score a single TD and another playoff game to Marcus Mariota who caught a TD pass from Marcus Mariota. Playoff record with Alex Smith: 1-4. Playoff record with Mahomes: 15-3 and three Super Bowls wins. Hmm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 2/12/2024 at 8:28 PM, Big Blitz said: Lol no. This is football. This is how you “overpower” opponents. Creed should've been a Buffalo Bill....took Basham instead because Beane "couldn't pass on his talent" even though he had just taken Rousseau in round 1...instead KC got him with the very next pick completing an oline rebuild in 1 offseason with an All Pro anchor from day one....won 2 SBs with him so far I stopped watching that draft in disgust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, beebe said: They won two division titles in five years with Alex Smith, missed the playoffs once, and lost playoff games to a team that didn't score a single TD and another playoff game to Marcus Mariota who caught a TD pass from Marcus Mariota. Playoff record with Alex Smith: 1-4. Playoff record with Mahomes: 15-3 and three Super Bowls wins. Hmm. So not 'literally nothing' then 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: So not 'literally nothing' then 👍 Argue semantics all you want, but Mahomes is Tiger and Allen is basically Rickie Fowler in this equation. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, beebe said: Argue semantics all you want, but Mahomes is Tiger and Allen is basically Rickie Fowler in this equation. You clearly don't know golf either Brady is Tiger Mahomes is Rahm Allen is probably Rory or possibly Speith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 13 minutes ago, beebe said: Mahomes has played six NFL seasons. He's led a team that was literally nothing before he arrived to six straight AFC championship games. The Chiefs have hosted five of them. They've won four of them. They've had three Super Bowl wins. Mahomes is a two-time league MVP, a three-time Super Bowl MVP, a multi-time All Pro. His Chiefs have beaten Allen's Bills all three meetings in the playoffs, two home and one road. He's 15-3 in the postseason with 5,135 yards, 41 TDs and 8 INTs. His playoff losses have been to Brady twice (once in OT) and another OT game. He's rallied his team from 10-point deficits in three different Super Bowls. He's led a 24-point playoff rally and is 7-for-7 rallying a trailing team to a score inside 1 minute in playoff games. He's led his team down the field in 30 seconds to force OT in one playoff game and in 13 seconds to win another. He's won two Super Bowls with league-average defenses and another with the worst collection of receivers in the league. Josh Allen is 5-5 career in the playoffs. He's beaten the likes of Skylar Thompson, Mason Rudolph, fossil Phillip Rivers, Mac Jones and playoff choker Lamar. Your statement has no basis in fact. Your projection going forward ignores a six-year sample size. Football is actually a team game. Quarterbacks don't beat other quarterbacks, or lose to other quarterbacks. If this was golf or tennis, your post would have more relevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, Success said: Football is actually a team game. Quarterbacks don't beat other quarterbacks, or lose to other quarterbacks. If this was golf or tennis, your post would have more relevance. The Chiefs played a "team game" post Len Dawson for nearly 50 years before Mahomes arrived. It resulted in zero Super Bowl appearances. Now they play in Super bowls like they're going out of style. I'm sure it's just coincidence. 5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: You clearly don't know golf either Brady is Tiger Mahomes is Rahm Allen is probably Rory or possibly Speith Rory and Spieth have won major championships. Josh Allen has won Wild Card games vs backup level QBs and a divisional round game. Great comparison! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, beebe said: The Chiefs played a "team game" post Len Dawson for nearly 50 years before Mahomes arrived. It resulted in zero Super Bowl appearances. Now they play in Super bowls like they're going out of style. I'm sure it's just coincidence. Rory and Spieth have won major championships. Josh Allen has won Wild Card games vs backup level QBs and a divisional round game. Great comparison! youre trying too hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, GoBills808 said: youre trying too hard I'll take this as confirmation that you're throwing in the towel on your stupid talking point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, beebe said: I'll take this as confirmation that you're throwing in the towel on your stupid talking point. notwithstanding it was your original sloppy golf comparison which I simply helped refine (you welcome btw), yes this is a reasonable point to discontinue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, beebe said: The Chiefs played a "team game" post Len Dawson for nearly 50 years before Mahomes arrived. It resulted in zero Super Bowl appearances. Now they play in Super bowls like they're going out of style. I'm sure it's just coincidence. They also happened to get a world-class HC in that time, a world-class DC, and a top GM. Big coincidence, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, ToGoGo said: Allen is way better than Mahomes. That will prove itself over the next 10 years. Day drinking? Or not old enough to drink? At this point most of the fanbase would settle for a Drew Brees type career from Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Success said: They also happened to get a world-class HC in that time, a world-class DC, and a top GM. Big coincidence, eh? The world-class head coach pre Mahomes was constantly ridiculed as being a playoff failure with clock management problems. Mahomes changed the narrative of Andy's entire career. The world-class DC oversaw a tire fire of a Rams team (2009 to 2011), coordinated the worst defense in the history of the NFL (2012 Saints), served as a Ravens defensive assistant in 2013 and as their secondary coach in 2014, then coordinated a Giants defense that finished last and second-to-last in yards allowed two of his three years (2015 to 2017), and then was out of football entirely the year before the Chiefs hired him. The GM, best guess, looks a lot smarter when he has a unicorn at QB. His calculated risk of going with entirely young WRs this year backfired spectacularly, saved only by the brilliance of Mahomes. Andy Reid playoff record pre Mahomes: 11-13 across 19 seasons, zero Super Bowls. Andy Reid playoff record with Mahomes: 15-3 across 6 seasons, three Super Bowls. Gee, what changed? Edited February 17 by beebe 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 It might be time to put the shovel down and stop digging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, beebe said: The world-class head coach pre Mahomes was constantly ridiculed as being a playoff failure with clock management problems. Mahomes changed the narrative of Andy's entire career. The world-class DC coordinated the worst defense in the history of the NFL (2012 Saints), served as a Ravens defensive assistant in 2013 and as their secondary coach in 2014, then coordinated a Giants defense that finished last and second-to-last in yards allowed two of his three years (2015 to 2017), and then was out of football entirely the year before the Chiefs hired him. The GM, best guess, looks a lot smarter when he has a unicorn at QB. His calculated risk of going with entirely young WRs this year backfired spectacularly, saved only by the brilliance of Mahomes. LOL The previous poster was 100% correct. You're trying too hard. Andy Reid made many NFCCG's and a SB. Pundit narratives are clownish much of the time. Spagnola stopped arguably the greatest offense in history to win a SB. And Veach has quite obviously built a top defense for that team - which, clearly, has allowed Mahomes to win more games without having to score as much as Allen. That big Mahomes offense didn't light up the scoreboard in the AFCCG & SB. You're wrong, quite simply. I'll say it again: football is a team game. No one would argue that Mahomes hasn't had better teams & coaches than Allen. No one. Edited February 17 by Success 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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