Jim Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 47 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: LOL. I'm well aware that there are some Bills fans here that give credit to KC, but whatever you say. The "insecure" comment is funny. Every other thread on here is downplaying the Chiefs' success to prop up your team, whining about alleged media opinions of Allen and the Bills, convincing yourselves that KC only beats the Bills due to luck and/or injuries, freaking out over Nick Wright's latest comment, etc. You are just making things up. Nobody is tearing down KC or anything. At the very best, maybe there are some who think the Bills may have had better luck if they had less injuries, but literally nobody thinks KC got "lucky" against the Bills. They've beaten them 3 times in the postseason. This whole "fuel yourself by claiming disrespect*" is an odd product of the 2020s. It's odd. The Chiefs have a dynasty. I don't recall Jordan and the Bulls and their fans claiming disrespect in the '90s, nor do I remember Jeter and the Yankees whining about how nobody gave them the respect the deserved. But then again, we are in an era where both sides of the political divide constantly do their very best to show you how put-upon they are and why you should feel sorry for them. It's this oddly American theme of look how hard the odds were stacked up against me, and how the media hated me, and my mom threw me out on the street, but look at me now. I'm on top. (NOTE: This isn't really a controversial political opinion since it blatantly exclaims how both sides are so guilty of it!) 1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said: No, I think Mahomes gets a ton of respect from the media. Not so much here, but I get it. Seriously you're just pulling this stuff out of your ass. Imagine going to the forum of a football team who isn't even your favorite team and wasting your time there. Just.....wow. Edited February 20 by Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 43 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: LOL. I'm well aware that there are some Bills fans here that give credit to KC, but whatever you say. The "insecure" comment is funny. Every other thread on here is downplaying the Chiefs' success to prop up your team, whining about alleged media opinions of Allen and the Bills, convincing yourselves that KC only beats the Bills due to luck and/or injuries, freaking out over Nick Wright's latest comment, etc. Do you really get to mock the topics on the board when...uhhh....you're on here contributing to the topics. On, as I mentioned before, a board dedicated to a team you don't like. A week and change after your team won the Super Bowl. I usually don't do this online, cuz it's all just play for the most part, but seriously how miserable can your life be if you need to come to a Buffalo Bills football forum to complain about lack of love on said board for a 28 year old bazillionaire who plays for your team? Like, WHO GIVES A SH!T? Go enjoy your teams success and stop concerning yourself with perceived slights. I know if my team won the Super Bowl, I wouldn't be going to other teams forums doing this. Actually if my team were 0-17 I wouldn't do it either, because once again, WHO THE SH!T cares?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 i am sorry since when does Josh Allen play Defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, kota said: i am sorry since when does Josh Allen play Defense? For a while. He had like 17.5 sacks for Jacksonville this year. Duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Got me there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 6 minutes ago, Jim said: You are just making things up. Nobody is tearing down KC or anything. At the very best, maybe there are some who think the Bills may have had better luck if they had less injuries, but literally nobody thinks KC got "lucky" against the Bills. They've beaten them 3 times in the postseason. Don't get it twisted....I'm not triggered by anything I've read here. In fact, I'm probably one of the least triggered people on this board, if you've been following the last few weeks. 6 minutes ago, Jim said: This whole "fuel yourself by claiming disrespect*" is an odd product of the 2020s. It's odd. The Chiefs have a dynasty. I don't recall Jordan and the Bulls and their fans claiming disrespect in the '90s, nor do I remember Jeter and the Yankees whining about how nobody gave them the respect the deserved. But then again, we are in an era where both sides of the political divide constantly do their very best to show you how put-upon they are and why you should feel sorry for them. It's this oddly American theme of look how hard the odds were stacked up against me, and how the media hated me, and my mom threw me out on the street, but look at me now. I'm on top. (NOTE: This isn't really a controversial political opinion since it blatantly exclaims how both sides are so guilty of it!) Seriously you're just pulling this stuff out of your ass. Imagine going to the forum of a football team who isn't even your favorite team and wasting your time there. Just.....wow. This is one of the most annoying things that people say. Why not take it as a compliment to your board that other fans want to post here? You act like I've been posting here hourly for years, or as if no rival fans (including Buffalo fans) post on KC boards. I generally post on message boards when I need to kill a little time while working at my desk. But I get bored with just a few sites to rotate from, especially if they're low-traffic, so I occasionally seek out others. And this one was interesting to me and has more traffic than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 43 minutes ago, Jim said: Do you really get to mock the topics on the board when...uhhh....you're on here contributing to the topics. On, as I mentioned before, a board dedicated to a team you don't like. A week and change after your team won the Super Bowl. I usually don't do this online, cuz it's all just play for the most part, but seriously how miserable can your life be if you need to come to a Buffalo Bills football forum to complain about lack of love on said board for a 28 year old bazillionaire who plays for your team? Like, WHO GIVES A SH!T? Go enjoy your teams success and stop concerning yourself with perceived slights. I know if my team won the Super Bowl, I wouldn't be going to other teams forums doing this. Actually if my team were 0-17 I wouldn't do it either, because once again, WHO THE SH!T cares?! How miserable do you have to be to get this upset over a few tame posts? I'm not miserable in the slightest about perceived slights. I was just pointing out the irony of someone calling me insecure, when this entire board has been dripping with insecurity for weeks. What does a KC fan have to be insecure about right now? Mahomes and Reid are now being mentioned in the GOAT conversation (Kelce too), they went back to back in what were supposed to be rebuilding years, and with the right moves, could have their best team ever next year. That's not bragging or rubbing it in....I'm just laughing at the notion that I or KC fans in general are insecure. I'm not sure the fanbase has ever been more secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, SaulGoodman said: How miserable do you have to be to get this upset over a few tame posts? I'm not miserable in the slightest about perceived slights. I was just pointing out the irony of someone calling me insecure, when this entire board has been dripping with insecurity for weeks. What does a KC fan have to be insecure about right now? Mahomes and Reid are now being mentioned in the GOAT conversation (Kelce too), they went back to back in what were supposed to be rebuilding years, and with the right moves, could have their best team ever next year. That's not bragging or rubbing it in....I'm just laughing at the notion that I or KC fans in general are insecure. I'm not sure the fanbase has ever been more secure. As a Chiefs fan, if Reid drafted Allen in 2018 instead of Mahomes in 2017 do you think you guys would have four or five rings by now? Edited February 20 by Doc Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 6 hours ago, SaulGoodman said: How miserable do you have to be to get this upset over a few tame posts? I'm not miserable in the slightest about perceived slights. I was just pointing out the irony of someone calling me insecure, when this entire board has been dripping with insecurity for weeks. What does a KC fan have to be insecure about right now? Mahomes and Reid are now being mentioned in the GOAT conversation (Kelce too), they went back to back in what were supposed to be rebuilding years, and with the right moves, could have their best team ever next year. That's not bragging or rubbing it in....I'm just laughing at the notion that I or KC fans in general are insecure. I'm not sure the fanbase has ever been more secure. Yes, the board is probably insecure. Probably having to do with the fact that our team is never gonna win a Super Bowl despite having one of the best QBs around. But anyways, hey Saul, here’s the deal… If we need you, we’ll call you. Or Walt and Jesse can go and kidnap you. Otherwise, we’re cool! Thanks for your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jim said: Yes, the board is probably insecure. Probably having to do with the fact that our team is never gonna win a Super Bowl despite having one of the best QBs around. But anyways, hey Saul, here’s the deal… If we need you, we’ll call you. Or Walt and Jesse can go and kidnap you. Otherwise, we’re cool! Thanks for your time. Hey, you said it, not me. I think Allen will get at least one along the way. S'all good, man! 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: As a Chiefs fan, if Reid drafted Allen in 2018 instead of Mahomes in 2017 do you think you guys would have four or five rings by now? Well, let's see, as a KC fan....Allen was really inaccurate his first couple years....plus, I've learned on this board that he needs an elite defense across the board and elite offensive talent at every position to get it done, so by the board's logic that number would have to be closer to 0? Edited February 20 by SaulGoodman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 10 hours ago, SaulGoodman said: First of all, mediocre is relative. And I added "stretches"...not necessarily entire seasons of mediocre play. Sometimes they would stumble out of the gate for a month or so. In 2014, NE started 2-2 with two double digit losses, including a 41-14 loss in Arrowhead in which Alex Smith's Chiefs made them look like the worst team in the league. They went on to win the SB. In 2018, they lost to several mediocre teams, including three blowouts. Went on to win the SB. What? Mahomes' defense allowed 36 points in that game. I'll agree that there was nothing special about the throws at the end of regulation, except for the fact that there was a hell of a lot of pressure not to screw up with 13 seconds left in your season. And the fact that Mahomes is a perfect 7 of 7 in those situations in the playoffs. I'd say that's kinda special. Let's talk about some of Allen's throws. Was there anything special about throwing to a WIDE open Gabe Davis multiple times as DBs were falling down or blowing coverages? There's a pretty blatant double standard here. When Allen throws to a guy with no DB within a mile, he's Superman. When Mahomes does it, it's nothing. Mahomes had to be almost perfect in that game to get the win. Completed 75% of his passes, 447 total yds, 4 TDs, averaged 10 yards per run, punted once against the #1 rated defense. The Bills punted 4 times vs a mediocre defense, and people act like Allen had to be perfect while Mahomes had a huge margin for error. You guys say that Mahomes' defense always steps up in the playoffs while Allen's does the opposite, and yet....36 points to the Bills, 35 points to the Eagles, 37 to NE, 31 to Tampa, 31 to Houston, 27 to Cincy, and others in the mid 20s. If Mahomes' defense actually did consistently step up in the postseason, he may have never lost a postseason game. And imagine KC's regular season records if the defenses didn't stink it up so often throughout the year. Typical KC fan.....delusional and out of touch with reality. Kinda just making stuff up to coincide with your own narrative to proclaim the god-like aspects of Mahomo and the Chiefs. Move along......nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 10 minutes ago, Sweats said: Typical KC fan.....delusional and out of touch with reality. Kinda just making stuff up to coincide with your own narrative to proclaim the god-like aspects of Mahomo and the Chiefs. Move along......nothing to see here. Which parts are delusional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, SaulGoodman said: Which parts are delusional? I said move along now......nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 33 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Hey, you said it, not me. I think Allen will get at least one along the way. S'all good, man! Well, let's see, as a KC fan....Allen was really inaccurate his first couple years....plus, I've learned on this board that he needs an elite defense across the board and elite offensive talent at every position to get it done, so by the board's logic that number would have to be closer to 0? Well now you just sound like a bitter Bills fan masquerading as a Chiefs fan lol. I don't think any Bills fan with 2 brain cells to rub together (admittedly a high bar) thinks we need an elite defense across the board. We just need one that doesn't get torched in the playoffs. Imagine if Mahomes had to deal with his defense playing like KC did against the Patriots in the AFCCG every single season. KC DEF forced 2 turnovers, a turnover on downs, and 2 punts against the Pats. That's arguably a BETTER defensive performance than any of the last 4 playoff losses by the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 35 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Well now you just sound like a bitter Bills fan masquerading as a Chiefs fan lol. I don't think any Bills fan with 2 brain cells to rub together (admittedly a high bar) thinks we need an elite defense across the board. We just need one that doesn't get torched in the playoffs. Imagine if Mahomes had to deal with his defense playing like KC did against the Patriots in the AFCCG every single season. KC DEF forced 2 turnovers, a turnover on downs, and 2 punts against the Pats. That's arguably a BETTER defensive performance than any of the last 4 playoff losses by the Bills. But you're preaching to the choir, man. KC's defenses have been worse than Buffalo's every year before this one. In both the regular season and postseason. They've allowed 30+ in 5 playoff games and played poorly in several others. As beebe has pointed out, Buffalo's defense has played fine against just about everyone but KC. Allen has the same problem as every other QB in the league. His defense can't shut down KC. Sure, you can talk about the SB in Tampa or the second half vs Cincy a few years ago, but those are outliers. I see people mention Buffalo's loss to Cincinnati a lot. Do you think Cincinnati's 27 points were the problem, or the 10 pts that the Bills scored? Who are you going to beat in the playoffs with 10 pts? 27 was a pretty average number for that Bengals team. You can't expect to shut down offenses of that caliber, especially in the postseason. Let me ask you this...prior to this year, how do you think KC's defenses would have fared against their offenses in the playoffs? If there were a way to prove it, I'd bet you any amount you wanted that they'd fare worse than Buffalo has. Edited February 20 by SaulGoodman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 8 hours ago, SaulGoodman said: Don't get it twisted....I'm not triggered by anything I've read here. In fact, I'm probably one of the least triggered people on this board, if you've been following the last few weeks. This is one of the most annoying things that people say. Why not take it as a compliment to your board that other fans want to post here? You act like I've been posting here hourly for years, or as if no rival fans (including Buffalo fans) post on KC boards. I generally post on message boards when I need to kill a little time while working at my desk. But I get bored with just a few sites to rotate from, especially if they're low-traffic, so I occasionally seek out others. And this one was interesting to me and has more traffic than most. Personally, I don't mind when other fans post here at all. I like intelligent back & forth about the game. But you're really not reading the room here. It's probably hard to remember at this point how frustrating it is to be good enough for a title, but not be able to get one. Imagine Pats fans coming to your board in the days immediately after Dee Ford was Offside, and getting upset that you weren't giving Brady enough props. And even when there were Brady props all over your board - but that just wasn't enough for the Pats fans. They needed to see every poster heap praise on him, or it was a slight. Maybe not the best timing, right? And as for Wright - you said we always start threads about his trolling, but I think I've only seen one in the past 3-4 months. Most here get that he's a Bayless-light clown who just wants to get a rise out of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 10 minutes ago, Success said: Personally, I don't mind when other fans post here at all. I like intelligent back & forth about the game. But you're really not reading the room here. It's probably hard to remember at this point how frustrating it is to be good enough for a title, but not be able to get one. Imagine Pats fans coming to your board in the days immediately after Dee Ford was Offside, and getting upset that you weren't giving Brady enough props. And even when there were Brady props all over your board - but that just wasn't enough for the Pats fans. They needed to see every poster heap praise on him, or it was a slight. Maybe not the best timing, right? And as for Wright - you said we always start threads about his trolling, but I think I've only seen one in the past 3-4 months. Most here get that he's a Bayless-light clown who just wants to get a rise out of us. Again, I'm not triggered by anything here and I'm obviously not expecting to see lavish praise for KC or Mahomes. I just think there are some silly narratives floating around. Before the game in Buffalo, the prevailing opinion seemed to be that the Bills had the advantage at most positions and would win comfortably, and then go on to win the SB. People were saying the Bills had rounded into form and were playing at an elite level. After the game, the narrative immediately changed to "Mahomes has way more talent around him and Andy Reid, so of course he should have won." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, SaulGoodman said: Again, I'm not triggered by anything here and I'm obviously not expecting to see lavish praise for KC or Mahomes. I just think there are some silly narratives floating around. Before the game in Buffalo, the prevailing opinion seemed to be that the Bills had the advantage at most positions and would win comfortably, and then go on to win the SB. People were saying the Bills had rounded into form and were playing at an elite level. After the game, the narrative immediately changed to "Mahomes has way more talent around him and Andy Reid, so of course he should have won." That wasn't the narrative I heard - nationally, or here. Especially not "win comfortably." Personally, I thought there was a chance we could have a good win, but I'm one of the biggest homers here, and got my usual round of laughing & eyeroll emojis. It was nowhere near "prevailing." As I said: most thought the Bills were too banged up, especially after the losses in the Pitt game. Even your guy Wright said that. And it was a huge concern here on this board. No offense, but you seems to fabricate a lot of stuff. Or maybe just misremember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/12/2024 at 11:26 PM, Thrivefourfive said: In whatever place these freakozoid athletes get to mentally, Allen has no choice but to get there with them. Jordan has it, Tiger has it, Nicklaus had it, Brady and Montana had it. I’m sure Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio had it. Recently, all three Tennis greats have it. It’s all upstairs. There are ways we can tell that a great one has the instinct for winning championships. It’s how they talk, what they say, what they believe is happening, and how they lead the situation to reach the top — total belief in yourself to be the reason your team wins championships. Athletes are insanely confident individuals. Even proven competent pros think they’re the very best at what they do, when they’re clearly not, usually because of physical limitations. Allen has the physical talent to be in the historical sports best-of-the-best group, so he’ll have to find that mental place that gets him there. His, focus, concentration, and determination needs improvement. So you're saying Michael Jordan was supposed to beat Larry Bird and the Boston Celtics with Granville Waiters and Ennis Whatley? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 18 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Again, I'm not triggered by anything here and I'm obviously not expecting to see lavish praise for KC or Mahomes. I just think there are some silly narratives floating around. Before the game in Buffalo, the prevailing opinion seemed to be that the Bills had the advantage at most positions and would win comfortably, and then go on to win the SB. People were saying the Bills had rounded into form and were playing at an elite level. After the game, the narrative immediately changed to "Mahomes has way more talent around him and Andy Reid, so of course he should have won." You see, kid.....you're just making stuff up to feed your own narrative. Not one single person ever said this.....not the fans, not the media, no one. Everyone knew it would be a slugfest with the game going either way. How are we supposed to take anything you say seriously when you're talking nonsense. Move along now.....nothing to see here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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