Allen needs to mentally overpower Mahomes

[Coldfronts]

Dr. Strange style?

[Success]

5 minutes ago, Billl said:

Brady is Nicklaus.  Mahomes is Tiger.  Allen is Colin Montgomerie.

 

I have heard than when teams start winning a lot of Super Bowls, their fans get a little bored, and it's not quite enough. They feel a need to go to other team's boards as kind of a "hope police," to make sure those fans don't get any strange ideas about winning a title, or being excited about their team.

 

Your team won less than a week ago, and you're here talking down the Bills' team construction, players and chances for a title, and doing the laughing emoji thing & all that.  

 

Not something I would be doing if my team won.  Ever.

 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

Know what they call that?

 

A goalpost move.  It's what people do when they're losing a debate.

 

Yes, the guy saying that Mahomes with his 3 championships, 2 MVPs, 3 Super Bowl MVPs, and 3 wins in 3 postseason games head to head is better than Allen is losing the debate to the guy saying that Allen is the better QB.

[Success]

6 hours ago, Billl said:

Yes, the guy saying that Mahomes with his 3 championships, 2 MVPs, 3 Super Bowl MVPs, and 3 wins in 3 postseason games head to head is better than Allen is losing the debate to the guy saying that Allen is the better QB.

 

I didn't say Allen was the better QB.  In fact, I said the opposite.

 

Edited February 18 by Success

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I have heard than when teams start winning a lot of Super Bowls, their fans get a little bored, and it's not quite enough. They feel a need to go to other team's boards as kind of a "hope police," to make sure those fans don't get any strange ideas about winning a title, or being excited about their team.

 

Your team won less than a week ago, and you're here talking down the Bills' team construction, players and chances for a title, and doing the laughing emoji thing & all that.  

 

Not something I would be doing if my team won.  Ever.

 

I’ve been posting here regularly since before Mahomes ever stepped on the field.

[Success]

Just now, Billl said:

I’ve been posting here regularly since before Mahomes ever stepped on the field.

 

Good for you.

 

Then you shouldn't expect to come here & find every single poster bowing down to the majesty of Mahomes & KC.  You shouldn't expect to come here and find Bills fans moping around in misery, saying "woe is us, we will never beat the mighty Chiefs."  You shouldn't expect to come here finding thread after thread praising your team & coach.

 

And there is already a lot of that.  But this is a fan board, and most here are Bills fans.  I'm sorry that your main board is one of the most toxic places in the universe, but if you come here, at least be aware that this board is not dedicated to pumping up KC.

 

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I have heard than when teams start winning a lot of Super Bowls, their fans get a little bored, and it's not quite enough. They feel a need to go to other team's boards as kind of a "hope police," to make sure those fans don't get any strange ideas about winning a title, or being excited about their team.

 

Your team won less than a week ago, and you're here talking down the Bills' team construction, players and chances for a title, and doing the laughing emoji thing & all that.  

 

Not something I would be doing if my team won.  Ever.

 

Chiefs fans have a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Allen, don't take it personally

 

[90sBills]

15 minutes ago, Billl said:

Brady is Nicklaus.  Mahomes is Tiger.  Allen is Colin Montgomerie.

I’ve been fair minded when it comes to Mahomes on here. To the point of being accused of not being a Bills fan. lol 

 

So let’s be objective about our qb on our board. You cannot possibly think Allen is Colin Montgomerie. Unless you’re just trash talking. I’d say Allen is Phil in golf context. It took Phil a little while to get his majors but he got there. Allen will too. To say he won’t ever is ridiculous. 

 

 

[Success]

37 minutes ago, Billl said:

Yes, the guy saying that Mahomes with his 3 championships, 2 MVPs, 3 Super Bowl MVPs, and 3 wins in 3 postseason games head to head is better than Allen is losing the debate to the guy saying that Allen is the better QB.

 

And you're also contradicting yourself here - you said yourself recently that Beane hadn't built a Super Bowl-caliber roster.  Much of what you posted above are team accomplishments.

 

I actually laugh when I see the head-to-head in the playoffs arguments now, from anyone.  I also laugh when Pats fans say that Mahomes can never be the GOAT, because Brady beat him in both head-to-heads.  As though they were playing each other, and not the other team's defense.

 

Edited February 17 by Success

[Billl]

40 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I’ve been fair minded when it comes to Mahomes on here. To the point of being accused of not being a Bills fan. lol 

 

So let’s be objective about our qb on our board. You cannot possibly think Allen is Colin Montgomerie. Unless you’re just trash talking. I’d say Allen is Phil in golf context. It took Phil a little while to get his majors but he got there. Allen will too. To say he won’t ever is ridiculous. 

 

 

He’s Montgomerie in the sense that he’s one of the best ever to not win a major.  Colin is in the golf HOF, so that’s not an insult to Josh.  Josh can absolutely win a title(s), and if/when he does, the Montgomerie comparison would no longer apply.  

 

Marino is the standard bearer for great QBs who never won a ring.  He did make a Super Bowl and won an MVP award, though.  I think Josh has at least a 50-50 chance of winning one.  At that point, you start talking about his place in history and how he compares to guys like Favre and Elway.  If he doesn’t ever break through, he’ll forever be on the list with Moon, Kelly, Marino, etc.  It’s not necessarily fair, but that’s reality.

 

I do think that OBD will be wasting a year of his career if they try to make a run in 2024 by hanging onto players who are on the downside of their careers.  What’s more is that they’ll be throwing up roadblocks in the future by pushing bad contracts into future seasons thus potentially wasting additional years of his career which would be a crime.  As a Chiefs fan, I want Mahomes to win every title from now until the end of time, but in the years that the Chiefs don’t win it, I’d much rather see a team like the Bills win than someone like the Eagles or Bengals.

[Success]

13 minutes ago, Billl said:

He’s Montgomerie in the sense that he’s one of the best ever to not win a major.  Colin is in the golf HOF, so that’s not an insult to Josh.  Josh can absolutely win a title(s), and if/when he does, the Montgomerie comparison would no longer apply.  

 

Marino is the standard bearer for great QBs who never won a ring.  He did make a Super Bowl and won an MVP award, though.  I think Josh has at least a 50-50 chance of winning one.  At that point, you start talking about his place in history and how he compares to guys like Favre and Elway.  If he doesn’t ever break through, he’ll forever be on the list with Moon, Kelly, Marino, etc.  It’s not necessarily fair, but that’s reality.

 

I do think that OBD will be wasting a year of his career if they try to make a run in 2024 by hanging onto players who are on the downside of their careers.  What’s more is that they’ll be throwing up roadblocks in the future by pushing bad contracts into future seasons thus potentially wasting additional years of his career which would be a crime.  As a Chiefs fan, I want Mahomes to win every title from now until the end of time, but in the years that the Chiefs don’t win it, I’d much rather see a team like the Bills win than someone like the Eagles or Bengals.

 

That's actually a good recovery.  But your original post was to get a rise out of Bills fans.

 

[90sBills]

24 minutes ago, Success said:

 

That's actually a good recovery.  But your original post was to get a rise out of Bills fans.

 

He got me. lol

[Billever76]

On 2/12/2024 at 11:30 PM, John from Riverside said:

Statistically, Josh Allen outplayed Mahomes on that day but we still lost

 

Why?

 

Because the bills will be ready to win a Super Bowl whenever the players around Josh Allen make plays when it matters

 

It really is a simple as that

Not just the players but the coaches also

[SaulGoodman]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Chiefs fans have a massive inferiority complex when it comes to Allen, don't take it personally

 

900 threads about KC but it’s KC fans that have an inferiority complex? 

You can say plenty of things about Chiefs fans but I don’t think that’s one of them. 
 

[LABILLBACKER]

Maybe out of pity we can create a subspace on this board for rejected Chiefs fans like Zerovoltz, Billl and SaulGoodman. Go away you pure annoyances and slither back to your worthless kingdom. 

[jethro_tull]

Thank you amazing Criswell

[Success]

24 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

900 threads about KC but it’s KC fans that have an inferiority complex? 

You can say plenty of things about Chiefs fans but I don’t think that’s one of them. 
 

 

Maybe not an "inferiority" complex. But I find the fact that KC fans are posting here less than a week after winning their 3rd title, and particularly the tone & focus of their posts, to be a bit odd.

 

It is so far from what I'd be doing if the Bills ever get one.  

 

Edited February 18 by Success

[SaulGoodman]

11 hours ago, Success said:

 

Maybe not an "inferiority" complex. But I find the fact that KC fans are posting here less than a week after winning their 3rd title, and particularly the tone & focus of their posts, to be a bit odd.

 

It is so far from what I'd be doing if the Bills ever get one.  

 

I don’t think anybody created an acct just to come here and gloat. I know I’m not here for that. 
 

But I do chime in when there’s an inaccurate narrative. It’s no different than Bills fans getting triggered by every little thing that the media allegedly says or doesn’t say about Allen. 

[Bookie Man]

[Success]

3 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:

I don’t think anybody created an acct just to come here and gloat. I know I’m not here for that. 
 

But I do chime in when there’s an inaccurate narrative. It’s no different than Bills fans getting triggered by every little thing that the media allegedly says or doesn’t say about Allen. 

 

You go around to other team's boards to correct inaccurate narratives?

 

Man, that would be exhausting for me.  Most boards have very hardcore fans, and the narratives are all over the place. But I think hardcore fans are allowed to have more exaggerated views on their team.  It would never occur to me to be some sort of "narrative police" on another team's board, and try to correct fans all the time.

 

Fans are allowed to be excited about their team.  They're allowed to think in more partisan terms about their team & their players, on their own board, without getting laughing emojis from fans of a team who has been their main obstacle & who just won another title a week ago.

 

[Adam]

I’m picturing Charles Xavier 

[I Am The Liquor]

 

[SaulGoodman]

7 hours ago, Success said:

 

You go around to other team's boards to correct inaccurate narratives?

 

Man, that would be exhausting for me.  Most boards have very hardcore fans, and the narratives are all over the place. But I think hardcore fans are allowed to have more exaggerated views on their team.  It would never occur to me to be some sort of "narrative police" on another team's board, and try to correct fans all the time.

 

Fans are allowed to be excited about their team.  They're allowed to think in more partisan terms about their team & their players, on their own board, without getting laughing emojis from fans of a team who has been their main obstacle & who just won another title a week ago.

 

No, that’s not the reason I’m here. But if I see something that I competely disagree with, I’ll probably chime in, like anyone else would.

 

If you don’t go to any other boards, great. But for the record, some Bills fans do post on Chiefs Planet. One of them created a thread to tell KC fans that the Bills would take the AFC this year. Others have created accounts just to troll and mock people. Frankly, I don’t mind. I’ll just give it right back to the trolls. I like some banter with non-KC fans. Gets boring otherwise. 

[SaulGoodman]

On 2/17/2024 at 3:55 PM, beebe said:

 

Bills defense in playoff games, Josh Allen era: 

 

vs Texans - 5.5 yards per play allowed (gave up 19 pts in regulation)

vs Colts - 6.2 yards per play allowed (gave up 24 pts, bills led by 14 pts until late rally)

vs Ravens - 4.7 yards per play allowed (gave up 3 pts)

vs Chiefs - 7.4 yards per play allowed (gave up 38 pts, removed four KC kneel downs for -4 yards)

vs Patriots - 5 yards per play allowed (gave up 17 pts, including a garbage-time TD)

vs Chiefs - 7.6 yards per play allowed (gave up 36 pts in regulation)

vs Dolphins - 3.3 yards per play allowed (gave up 31 pts, but includes defensive score and two other scores via TO)

vs Bengals - 5.9 yards per play allowed (gave up 27 pts, removed two CIN kneel downs for -1 yards)

vs Steelers - 5.1 yards per play allowed (gave up 17 pts, including gift-wrapped score off blocked FG)

vs Chiefs - 8.5 yards per play allowed (gave up 27 pts, removed four KC kneel downs for -6 yards)

 

The common narrative here is that the Bills defense "comes up short in the playoffs." The truth is, against non Chiefs playoff opponents, the very strong Bills regular season defense has performed the exact same in the playoffs. Against non Chiefs teams (2019 thru 2023), Buffalo's defense gives up an average of 19.7 points and 5.1 yards per play in the playoffs. That's exactly on par with their regular season performance during the same years (2019 thru 2023), where they allowed 19.2 points and 5.14 yards per play. 

 

But against the Chiefs, the Bills come up short. In their 10 playoff games, their three worst games in yards per play have all come against the Chiefs. These aren't just bad performances, they are epic bad, and would rank among their very worst in a sample of 80+ regular season games in that time frame. 

 

Again:

 

vs non Chiefs: 5.1 yards per play, 19.7 points allowed

vs Chiefs: 7.8 yards per play, 33.6 points allowed

 

Do you see the difference?

 

The Bills don't have a playoff defense problem. They don't have a "paper tiger" defense problem.

 

They have a Patrick Mahomes problem. 

 

Thank you. Exactly what I've been saying. 

 

If you're expecting your defense to shut down a Mahomes/Kelce/Reid offense in the playoffs, you're probably going to be disappointed no matter who you are. And if Josh is the Superman that people claim, he shouldn't need a million weapons and/or a super elite defense to get it done. 

[Success]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

No, that’s not the reason I’m here. But if I see something that I competely disagree with, I’ll probably chime in, like anyone else would.

 

If you don’t go to any other boards, great. But for the record, some Bills fans do post on Chiefs Planet. One of them created a thread to tell KC fans that the Bills would take the AFC this year. Others have created accounts just to troll and mock people. Frankly, I don’t mind. I’ll just give it right back to the trolls. I like some banter with non-KC fans. Gets boring otherwise. 

 

Chiefs Planet is a toxic place.  I went there a few times around the 13 seconds game.  Will not go back.

 

 

 

[SaulGoodman]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Chiefs Planet is a toxic place.  I went there a few times around the 13 seconds game.  Will not go back.

 

 

 

 

There's some vulgarity, but that's not exactly uncommon on the internet these days. And a lot of it is schtick that people take way too seriously.

 

Forums are always judged by the loudest voices, but it's silly to generalize a board with so many posters. If somebody goes there to actually talk football respectfully, you'll have a few telling you to go eff yourself, but plenty will oblige. 

 

[GoBills808]

Like flies to honey😂😂

[Success]

4 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

There's some vulgarity, but that's not exactly uncommon on the internet these days. And a lot of it is schtick that people take way too seriously.

 

Forums are always judged by the loudest voices, but it's silly to generalize a board with so many posters. If somebody goes there to actually talk football respectfully, you'll have a few telling you to go eff yourself, but plenty will oblige. 

 

 

I've been to a lot of boards.  It stands alone - most seem to agree on that from what I've seen.

 

It was MUCH more than "some vulgarity."  I saw so many posts wishing for injury of opposing players. It was dark.

 

[SaulGoodman]

17 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I've been to a lot of boards.  It stands alone - most seem to agree on that from what I've seen.

 

It was MUCH more than "some vulgarity."  I saw so many posts wishing for injury of opposing players. It was dark.

 

 

Again, I think you probably took a lot of it too seriously. I doubt that anyone actually hoped for an injury. If so, it was probably the one or two bad apples that you'll find anywhere. 

 

I will admit that some of them have a twisted sense of humor though. 

[Success]

6 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

 

Again, I think you probably took a lot of it too seriously. I doubt that anyone actually hoped for an injury. If so, it was probably the one or two bad apples that you'll find anywhere. 

 

I will admit that some of them have a twisted sense of humor though. 

 

For the record, I don't equate that board w/ Chiefs fans in general.  From my own encounters, they're like any other fans.  And I've always liked KC (in the past) because they were similar to Buffalo in some ways (small market, not a great playoff history, etc.)  Though, I certainly do not like them now.

 

Chiefs Planet is more of a product of poor moderating.  You're sugarcoating the tone of that board.  It's a notorious board in NFL fandom, as you should know, since you seem to have a proclivity for visiting opposing team's boards.  

[ganesh]

On 2/18/2024 at 3:59 AM, 90sBills said:

I’ve been fair minded when it comes to Mahomes on here. To the point of being accused of not being a Bills fan. lol 

 

So let’s be objective about our qb on our board. You cannot possibly think Allen is Colin Montgomerie. Unless you’re just trash talking. I’d say Allen is Phil in golf context. It took Phil a little while to get his majors but he got there. Allen will too. To say he won’t ever is ridiculous. 

 

 

In the NFL, you never know !  Go Bills !

[SaulGoodman]

9 hours ago, Success said:

 

For the record, I don't equate that board w/ Chiefs fans in general.  From my own encounters, they're like any other fans.  And I've always liked KC (in the past) because they were similar to Buffalo in some ways (small market, not a great playoff history, etc.)  Though, I certainly do not like them now.

 

Chiefs Planet is more of a product of poor moderating.  You're sugarcoating the tone of that board.  It's a notorious board in NFL fandom, as you should know, since you seem to have a proclivity for visiting opposing team's boards.  

 

I can definitely see your side. I just think these things tend to get exaggerated. Such as claiming that a bunch of people there hope for injuries. I don't think that's the case at all. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

10 hours ago, Success said:

 

Chiefs Planet is a toxic place.  I went there a few times around the 13 seconds game.  Will not go back.

 

 

 

It's a very toxic place.

 

I used to hang out on the board and would read where chiefs fans would wish other chiefs fans mothers would get gang raped or catch aids or swallow acid over a disagreement. 

 

So no its not just a product of "poor moderating".

 

Chiefs fans in general are uneducated and one of the lowest class fans.

 

I suspect that's why so many chiefs fans are here. They dont want to hang out with other lowlife chiefs fans and experience such vitriol. 

 

This board is at least civilzed.

 

Edited February 19 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[st pete gogolak]

On 2/17/2024 at 4:55 PM, beebe said:

 

Bills defense in playoff games, Josh Allen era: 

 

vs Texans - 5.5 yards per play allowed (gave up 19 pts in regulation)

vs Colts - 6.2 yards per play allowed (gave up 24 pts, bills led by 14 pts until late rally)

vs Ravens - 4.7 yards per play allowed (gave up 3 pts)

vs Chiefs - 7.4 yards per play allowed (gave up 38 pts, removed four KC kneel downs for -4 yards)

vs Patriots - 5 yards per play allowed (gave up 17 pts, including a garbage-time TD)

vs Chiefs - 7.6 yards per play allowed (gave up 36 pts in regulation)

vs Dolphins - 3.3 yards per play allowed (gave up 31 pts, but includes defensive score and two other scores via TO)

vs Bengals - 5.9 yards per play allowed (gave up 27 pts, removed two CIN kneel downs for -1 yards)

vs Steelers - 5.1 yards per play allowed (gave up 17 pts, including gift-wrapped score off blocked FG)

vs Chiefs - 8.5 yards per play allowed (gave up 27 pts, removed four KC kneel downs for -6 yards)

 

The common narrative here is that the Bills defense "comes up short in the playoffs." The truth is, against non Chiefs playoff opponents, the very strong Bills regular season defense has performed the exact same in the playoffs. Against non Chiefs teams (2019 thru 2023), Buffalo's defense gives up an average of 19.7 points and 5.1 yards per play in the playoffs. That's exactly on par with their regular season performance during the same years (2019 thru 2023), where they allowed 19.2 points and 5.14 yards per play. 

 

But against the Chiefs, the Bills come up short. In their 10 playoff games, their three worst games in yards per play have all come against the Chiefs. These aren't just bad performances, they are epic bad, and would rank among their very worst in a sample of 80+ regular season games in that time frame. 

 

Again:

 

vs non Chiefs: 5.1 yards per play, 19.7 points allowed

vs Chiefs: 7.8 yards per play, 33.6 points allowed

 

Do you see the difference?

 

The Bills don't have a playoff defense problem. They don't have a "paper tiger" defense problem.

 

They have a Patrick Mahomes problem. 

Your entire premise falls apart when you look at the regular season games between Allen and Mahomes: 2020 - Bills D gives up 27 points and 6.4 YPP (2020 Chiefs were CLEARLY superior team - I thought McDermott’s strategy of letting the Chiefs run all over us but don’t let Mahomes beat us was interesting); 2021 - 20 and 5.0; 2022 - 20 and 6.3; 2023 - 17 and 5.6.  So what’s your argument? Regular season games are meaningless?  Mahomes doesn’t try very hard in regular season games (he sure was crying after this year’s loss)?  Injuries?  Chiefs didn’t have Pacheco in regular season loss. Bills’ D injuries killed them in the post-season.  Or maybe Reid seriously out coaches McDermott in the post-season?  Bills’ D has been the team’s Achilles heel in the last four postseason losses (D was awful in loss to Bengals).  It hasn’t been terribly good in the wins - giving up over 6 yards per play to Old Man Rivers, beating Thompson and Rudolf (hooray!).  The ONE great postseason game from the D was against Jackson.  Bills have defended well against him every time we have a played him. 

[beebe]

28 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Your entire premise falls apart when you look at the regular season games between Allen and Mahomes: 2020 - Bills D gives up 27 points and 6.4 YPP (2020 Chiefs were CLEARLY superior team - I thought McDermott’s strategy of letting the Chiefs run all over us but don’t let Mahomes beat us was interesting); 2021 - 20 and 5.0; 2022 - 20 and 6.3; 2023 - 17 and 5.6.  So what’s your argument? Regular season games are meaningless?  Mahomes doesn’t try very hard in regular season games (he sure was crying after this year’s loss)?  Injuries?  Chiefs didn’t have Pacheco in regular season loss. Bills’ D injuries killed them in the post-season.  Or maybe Reid seriously out coaches McDermott in the post-season?  Bills’ D has been the team’s Achilles heel in the last four postseason losses (D was awful in loss to Bengals).  It hasn’t been terribly good in the wins - giving up over 6 yards per play to Old Man Rivers, beating Thompson and Rudolf (hooray!).  The ONE great postseason game from the D was against Jackson.  Bills have defended well against him every time we have a played him. 

 

The 2020 game was played in the rain. The Chiefs ran 46 times vs 26 pass attempts (completed 21-of-26 passes for 225 yards and 2 TDs anyway.) Giving up 6.4 ypp against a predominantly run-based attack is a terrible defensive outing. Most Bills fans I know found that particular loss to be demoralizing due to it being a physical beatdown. 

 

The 2021 game was the lightning suspended game where the 2nd half was also played in the rain. The Chiefs were 5 YPP (clear underachieve) and had just 20 points, but self destructed with four turnovers. The Bills were far superior here, no argument there, and I'd say this was the one game out of the seven recent meetings where the D performed well. 

 

The 2022 game, in the first five games of the year pre Chiefs game, the Bills allowed: 3.7 ypp, 3.5 ypp, 5.4 ypp, 4.6 ypp and 5.1 ypp. Then they gave up 6.3 to the Chiefs, which was their second-worst defensive outing of the year. An endzone INT and a missed FG prevented the Chiefs from getting 30 points. Again, the Bills did enough here to get the win, including holding strong on KC's final drive. 

 

The 2023 game, the Chiefs offense - horrible as it was all regular season, recycling through awful WR options, and down Pacheco - actually performed better than expected. They had 5.6 YPP (would have finished with 6.7 yards per play had the Toney play stood). KC's D held Buffalo to just 4.5 yards per play. 

 

In four regular season games, KC has still been 6.1 yards per play vs the Bills, which is basically a full yard higher than the Bills typically allow. 

Edited February 19 by beebe

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

[SaulGoodman]

3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

It's a very toxic place.

 

I used to hang out on the board and would read where chiefs fans would wish other chiefs fans mothers would get gang raped or catch aids or swallow acid over a disagreement. 

 

So no its not just a product of "poor moderating".

 

Chiefs fans in general are uneducated and one of the lowest class fans.

 

I suspect that's why so many chiefs fans are here. They dont want to hang out with other lowlife chiefs fans and experience such vitriol. 

 

This board is at least civilzed.

 

 

So when they tell someone to catch AIDS, you think they mean it? 

 

Like I said, some of them have a crude and twisted sense of humor, but it's obviously not meant to be taken too seriously. 

 

Kansas is above average in terms of education and Missouri is around average. KC is a pretty educated city. The less refined or trashy posters you come across are probably from Jackson County. The Kansas side tends to be more refined. But in many cases it's just schtick and they'd probably be perfectly respectful and friendly in person. Generalizing an entire region and fanbase based on a few message board posts is pretty silly. 

 

If someone took the same approach to judging your fanbase, they'd say you're all unrefined table jumpers who hurl dildos and finger buttholes in the stands. 😆

Edited February 19 by SaulGoodman

[st pete gogolak]

23 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

The 2020 game was played in the rain. The Chiefs ran 46 times vs 26 pass attempts (completed 21-of-26 passes for 225 yards and 2 TDs anyway.) Giving up 6.4 ypp against a predominantly run-based attack is a terrible defensive outing. Most Bills fans I know found that particular loss to be demoralizing due to it being a physical beatdown. 

 

The 2021 game was the lightning suspended game where the 2nd half was also played in the rain. The Chiefs were 5 YPP (clear underachieve) and had just 20 points, but self destructed with four turnovers. The Bills were far superior here, no argument there, and I'd say this was the one game out of the seven recent meetings where the D performed well. 

 

The 2022 game, in the first five games of the year pre Chiefs game, the Bills allowed: 3.7 ypp, 3.5 ypp, 5.4 ypp, 4.6 ypp and 5.1 ypp. Then they gave up 6.3 to the Chiefs, which was their second-worst defensive outing of the year. An endzone INT and a missed FG prevented the Chiefs from getting 30 points. Again, the Bills did enough here to get the win, including holding strong on KC's final drive. 

 

The 2023 game, the Chiefs offense - horrible as it was all regular season, recycling through awful WR options, and down Pacheco - actually performed better than expected. They had 5.6 YPP (would have finished with 6.7 yards per play had the Toney play stood). KC's D held Buffalo to just 4.5 yards per play. 

 

In four regular season games, KC has still been 6.1 yards per play vs the Bills, which is basically a full yard higher than the Bills typically allow. 

Is this supposed to refute my post?  Not sure I'm following.  Is your point that Bills' D plays really well in the regular season and really well in the post-season against everyone except Mahomes?  My point is that the D plays poorly in the post-season in general (except for one game) and especially poorly against the Chiefs.  Second point is that Bills D against Chiefs in regular season is pretty decent and in the post-season mind-numbingly bad.  Not sure how you can refute that given the regular and post-season stats.  

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5 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Is this supposed to refute my post?  Not sure I'm following.  Is your point that Bills' D plays really well in the regular season and really well in the post-season against everyone except Mahomes?  My point is that the D plays poorly in the post-season in general (except for one game) and especially poorly against the Chiefs.  Second point is that Bills D against Chiefs in regular season is pretty decent and in the post-season mind-numbingly bad.  Not sure how you can refute that given the regular and post-season stats.  

 

Exactly this.

 

We've all seen it.  We can THINK we have a great D, but they simply do not show up in the playoffs.  Probably more of an excuse this past season w/ the injuries - but I roll my eyes when I see someone talking about our regular season D ranking.

 

For whatever reason, and it may be because McD overthinks it, or injuries, or some other factor - our defense in the playoffs has been mediocre.  And it has been, as you said, particularly bad against the Chiefs.  Though the Bengals game last year also stands out.

 

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8 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Is this supposed to refute my post?  Not sure I'm following.  Is your point that Bills' D plays really well in the regular season and really well in the post-season against everyone except Mahomes?  My point is that the D plays poorly in the post-season in general (except for one game) and especially poorly against the Chiefs.  Second point is that Bills D against Chiefs in regular season is pretty decent and in the post-season mind-numbingly bad.  Not sure how you can refute that given the regular and post-season stats.  

 

Playoff Chiefs, and Mahomes in particular, are a different animal than the regular season Chiefs. The Patriots were the same way. They'd have a mediocre regular season or stretches of bad play, and then flip the switch in the postseason and take another trophy. Mahomes is on a different level of focus when it gets real. I remember when the Alex Smith Chiefs blew out two really good Patriots teams in the regular season. Like, annihilated them. But guess who was hoisting the trophy in the end while the Chiefs were one and done?

 

If a KC fan were to view the 13 seconds game as a product of poor defense, would you feel slighted? Doesn't seem like any of you will give credit to a team that's had one of the most successful stretches in NFL history, particularly offensively. And you could certainly make the case that defense was mostly responsible for that, as if you take away just the one instance of the DB falling down on 4th and forever, it's probably a comfortable win for KC. 

 

And what no one ever mentions is that KC's defense hasn't been stellar in the regular season OR playoffs until this year. 37 pts allowed in the loss to NE in '18. The next year they allowed an average of 25 ppg and 31 vs the Texans. Including a 24-0 hole early in the game. Gave up 31 vs Tampa in the SB. 36 to the Bills in 21. 27 to Cincy the next week. 35 vs Philly in the SB.