I Got It - Why We Aren’t as Good as Them

[PBF81]

Jesus Christ plays for the Fins?  

 

No wonder they're leading the AFC in points scored and will win the division.  

 

Otherwise, none of it could possibly have to do with a "defensive-minded" yet offensively strategically bereft coach that was once the only person in the world that truly believed that Nathan Peterman would give the team the best chances of winning, right?  

 

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by PBF81

[Chicken Boo]

They can laugh and make snide comments, but you're absolutely on it.  

 

We have Josh Allen.  He should surrounded by the best talent possible... but that's not "the process". 

 

 Josh with Phins/49ers/Chargers/Bengals level talent on offense... can you imagine?

[mjt328]

The Bills running back room is fine.  As long as play-caller does a decent job of mixing it into the attack, the guys we got can be dangerous and effective.

 

But I do agree that a pass-heavy team SHOULD be loaded at the WR position.  Just as Dalton Kincaid starts emerging, it seems as though Stefon Diggs is declining.  And the other guys are just solid at best.  We do more...

 

Before the last offseason, I feel like Brandon Beane's strategy has been to dedicate more resources to the Defense and hope that Josh Allen can elevate the guys on the other side of the ball.  Unfortunately it was a really bad year to upgrade passing attacks.  Free agency was really bare in the WR department, and all the good WR prospects were gone by our pick.  Kincaid was a good consolation prize.  The bright side is this upcoming draft class should be loaded at that position.

 

[Big Turk]

They haven't won it all because they make critical mistakes at key moments in games too often.  Full stop. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by Big Turk

[Ray Stonada]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

They haven't won it all because they make critical mistakes at key moments in games too often.  Full stop. 

 

 

"They" is the coaches.

 

One of the Eagles said about the Bills D in OT,  "we couldn't believe the defense were in. When I saw that I knew we had a TD." Tells you something about McD's defense in crunch time.

[BuffaloBillies]

Point Differential so far: 3rd best in AFC, 5th best in all of NFL.

It's coaching. Specifically end-of-game coaching.

 

[Success]

The Pats won 6 Super Bowls without big talent at the skill positions.

 

I don't think there is one formula.

 

[Heavy Kevi]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Point Differential so far: 3rd best in AFC, 5th best in all of NFL.

It's coaching. Specifically end-of-game coaching.

 

 

This can't be ignored.

 

McD is cooked.

 

Sad he'll reportedly get another year, Josh ain't getting younger.

[US Egg]

What teams have, or have done, isn’t the big problem, in game gaffes and decisions are.

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

Jesus Christ plays for the Fins?  

 

No wonder they're leading the AFC in points scored and will win the division.  

 

Otherwise, none of it could possibly have to do with a "defensive-minded" yet offensively strategically bereft coach that was once the only person in the world that truly believed that Nathan Peterman would give the team the best chances of winning, right?  

 

 

 

Your obsession with Nathan Peterman is at a clinical level.  Just let the man go into the abyss. 

[hondo in seattle]

I think the disappointment this year has been a team effort.

 

Beane has not given McD a SB calibre roster.  Injuries have hurt us.  Josh went through a slump.   Dorsey got stale as an OC.  There have been other coaching mistakes.  Player mistakes (drops, missed assignments, etc.) seem to come at the worst times.  Lady Luck hasn't been our friend.  

 

If we were to take this same roster and coaching staff (i.e. without Dorsey) into 2024, I think it does much better assuming it stays healthy.  But I'd love to see some positional upgrades.  

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

The reason that this happened is that the Bills never got the grace period of having a star QB on a rookie deal. Burrow was a star from the moment that he stepped on an NFL field, and then he had the good fortune of getting hurt so that the Bengals could draft 7th and get  Chase. Now they’ve had this run, and they waited to pay Burrow until after his 4th year. Same with Mahomes, but the chickens of that contract are coming home to roost with the lack of pass catchers. With Josh, by the time he was playing at a high level it was time to pay him. That is why I want to start drafting NFL ready college stars instead of projects with traits. Take the best player from Alabama or Georgia that you can get. They’re ready to contribute now and they know how to win.

No

 

Allen's cap hits since 2021 have been $10M, $16M, and $18.6M respectively

 

Chiefs won a SB w Mahomes at a $35M cap hit

[Billsfan1972]

7 hours ago, Ray Stonada said:

I put our problems on playcalling. Mainly Dorsey making us far worse, and McD calling off-coverage every time we need to hold a lead.

 

We would be 10-2 or better otherwise. 

Remember McD not wanting Allen to run either.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[Billsfan1972]

52 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Your obsession with Nathan Peterman is at a clinical level.  Just let the man go into the abyss. 

No it doesn't.  The fact he thought Nathan Peterman was a starting NFL qb says a lot about McD and how heblpoks at the offense and the qb position 

50 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I think the disappointment this year has been a team effort.

 

Beane has not given McD a SB calibre roster.  Injuries have hurt us.  Josh went through a slump.   Dorsey got stale as an OC.  There have been other coaching mistakes.  Player mistakes (drops, missed assignments, etc.) seem to come at the worst times.  Lady Luck hasn't been our friend.  

 

If we were to take this same roster and coaching staff (i.e. without Dorsey) into 2024, I think it does much better assuming it stays healthy.  But I'd love to see some positional upgrades.  

What no mention of McD???? Really?  He's the #1 reason the Bills are where they are.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Billsfan1972

[nedboy7]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

N oitbis not.  The gact he thought Nathan Peterman was a starting NFL qb says a lot about McD and how heblpoks at the offense and the qb position 

What no mention of McD???? Really?  He's the #1 reason the Bills are where they are.

 

noui itsdeosnt. 

[PBF81]

24 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Your obsession with Nathan Peterman is at a clinical level.  Just let the man go into the abyss. 

 

Clinical level? 

 

When's the last time he was mentioned?  Hyperbole much. 

 

So you don't think that it's relevant that McD was the only person in the entire world at that time, that supported Nathan Peterman, because he saw something in him, while sitting a 7th overall draft pick?  

 

You don't think that there's anything related there in terms of his viewing our offense, that might lend at least a smidgen of explanation as to the woes of our team?  

... please don't validate that.  

 

 

[nedboy7]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

Clinical level? 

 

When's the last time he was mentioned?  Hyperbole much. 

 

So you don't think that it's relevant that McD was the only person in the entire world at that time, that supported Nathan Peterman, because he saw something in him, while sitting a 7th overall draft pick?  

 

You don't think that there's anything related there in terms of his viewing our offense, that might lend at least a smidgen of explanation as to the woes of our team?  

... please don't validate that.  

 

 

 

You mention Peterman almost daily.  Don't make me dig up your obsessive posts.  LOL.  I got problems with McD.  None of them are from 7 years ago. 

[Mister Defense]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

The problem is that if Dorsey had better talent on offense, he'd probably still be employed. Better talent on offense probably would have won the Jets/Broncos/Patriots games. Dorsey's problem was that he couldn't do more with less. 

 

 

Nope, a lack of talent was not the problem--their offense was dismal in those games, unprepared in general and specifically for those teams.

 

Have you seen the Bills play on offense the last two games?

 

Keep watching them and you will surely see what happened earlier in the season.

 

 

[PBF81]

3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

You mention Peterman almost daily.  Don't make me dig up your obsessive posts.  LOL.  I got problems with McD.  None of them are from 7 years ago. 

 

LOL 

 

Hyperbole indeed then.  

 

I'd make a $1,000 wager on that with you, but you'd quickly see that that's a complete lie.  

 

So yes, please, go ahead and dig up those "daily posts" with me obsessing about Peterman.  

 

Meanwhile, your blatant leapfrogging of the question hasn't gone unnoticed.  

 

Now, if you'd like to switch from ad hominem to actual discussion, I'm game.  Otherwise give it a rest if you don't mind.  

 

Looking forward to that string of "daily posts" about Peterman.  Good luck!!  

 

 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

25 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

noui itsdeosnt. 

No it doesn't. All thumbs😉

27 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Clinical level? 

 

When's the last time he was mentioned?  Hyperbole much. 

 

So you don't think that it's relevant that McD was the only person in the entire world at that time, that supported Nathan Peterman, because he saw something in him, while sitting a 7th overall draft pick?  

 

You don't think that there's anything related there in terms of his viewing our offense, that might lend at least a smidgen of explanation as to the woes of our team?  

... please don't validate that.  

 

 

I said it over and over that Allen should have started day one or been at worst groomed by a seasoned vet (i.e. like Fitz).  The worst was seeing McD doubling down on Peterman.