chongli Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/Week-15-Flex-Scheduling---Eagles-Seahawks-to-Monday-Night;-NFL-Network-Tripleheader-on-Saturday.aspx Week 15 - December 17: First-ever MNF flex: Philadelphia at Seattle moves to MNF while Kansas City at New England goes to 1 PM Sunday on FOX. Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX. The Saturday (December 16) games on NFL Network were also announced: Minnesota at Cincinnati Pittsburgh at Indianapolis Denver at Detroit Atlanta at Carolina and Chicago at Cleveland were also moved from CBS to FOX in the early Sunday slot. WJBK in Detroit (FOX 2) will also be simulcasting the Denver at Detroit game: Other local simulcasts for the Saturday games will be announced later. Edited December 1, 2023 by chongli 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 "Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX" Fox is praying we beat KC next week, otherwise Dallas game is moot (as far as Bills are concerned). Maybe NFL will whisper the script to the refs before the KC game and we'll get some calls our way. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: "Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX" Fox is praying we beat KC next week, otherwise Dallas game is moot (as far as Bills are concerned). Maybe NFL will whisper the script to the refs before the KC game and we'll get some calls our way. Haha, yeah at this point we need all the help we can get. Still, FOX is thrilled to have even more eyes on Dallas...their real moneymaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillies said: "Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX" Fox is praying we beat KC next week, otherwise Dallas game is moot (as far as Bills are concerned). Maybe NFL will whisper the script to the refs before the KC game and we'll get some calls our way. 1 hour ago, chongli said: https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/Week-15-Flex-Scheduling---Eagles-Seahawks-to-Monday-Night;-NFL-Network-Tripleheader-on-Saturday.aspx Week 15 - December 17: First-ever MNF flex: Philadelphia at Seattle moves to MNF while Kansas City at New England goes to 1 PM Sunday on FOX. Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX. The Saturday (December 16) games on NFL Network were also announced: Minnesota at Cincinnati Pittsburgh at Indianapolis Denver at Detroit Atlanta at Carolina and Chicago at Cleveland were also moved from CBS to FOX in the early Sunday slot. Awesome, so our continued humiliation can be witnessed by a national audience 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 Also, the MNF flex means Philly has four MNF games this year: at Tampa Bay at Kansas City at Seattle vs. New York Giants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Reality is hitting Boston media hard right now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillies said: "Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX" Fox is praying we beat KC next week, otherwise Dallas game is moot (as far as Bills are concerned). Maybe NFL will whisper the script to the refs before the KC game and we'll get some calls our way. So, the calls will be 2-1 in favor of Dallas instead of 3-1? Sweet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Awesome, so our continued humiliation can be witnessed by a national audience LOL! It might not be quite national though as Arizona may blackout our game on FOX to show them vs. San Francisco on CBS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Same day flex games I get to a degree. If I'm already planning on going to the game Sunday I can probably swing a game moved earlier or later that day, annoying as it might be. Scheduling to an entirely new day with less than 2 weeks notice though??? Seems crazy from a ticketed fan's perspective, especially for those travelling in from out of town. Have to imagine a good chunk of fans won't be able to adjust and will have to sell or forfeit the tix. Curious if they would be offered any sort of refund in that scenario? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 22 minutes ago, Kincaid Kool-Aid said: Same day flex games I get to a degree. If I'm already planning on going to the game Sunday I can probably swing a game moved earlier or later that day, annoying as it might be. Scheduling to an entirely new day with less than 2 weeks notice though??? Seems crazy from a ticketed fan's perspective, especially for those travelling in from out of town. Have to imagine a good chunk of fans won't be able to adjust and will have to sell or forfeit the tix. Curious if they would be offered any sort of refund in that scenario? Agreed, but especially for Week 15, with three Saturday games to be determined late, fans knew in advance things would be uncertain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, chongli said: Agreed, but especially for Week 15, with three Saturday games to be determined late, fans knew in advance things would be uncertain. Totally fair point. And I'm assuming there was probably a disclaimer with the new Monday night flex games too. Still movement to a Saturday is probably easier than a Monday night! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Why are games being played on a Saturday for week 15? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BBFL said: Why are games being played on a Saturday for week 15? Because it's near the holidays and the NFL wants to feature games to a national window and make money. Plus there are no (or few?) college games. Edited December 1, 2023 by chongli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: "Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX" Fox is praying we beat KC next week, otherwise Dallas game is moot (as far as Bills are concerned). Maybe NFL will whisper the script to the refs before the KC game and we'll get some calls our way. Clearly moron moving game wants Coach McD fired. The only question is that moron one of our Debbie downers here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, chongli said: Because it's near the holidays and the NFL wants to feature games to a national window and make money. Same reason this was the first year of games on Black Friday. Before we know it, there'll be football on every day of the week and twice (maybe literally?) on Sunday! On one hand it's nice having options to watch more games throughout the week, on the other I kind of miss the days of limited football on Sunday and Monday night only...it felt like there was something special to look forward to each week. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kincaid Kool-Aid said: Same reason this was the first year of games on Black Friday. Before we know it, there'll be football on every day of the week and twice (maybe literally?) on Sunday! On one hand it's nice having options to watch more games throughout the week, on the other I kind of miss the days of limited football on Sunday and Monday night only...it felt like there was something special to look forward to each week. Well let’s hope McDermott turns it around then. Otherwise we’ll have to hear about it even more than already every day of the week… 😩 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, BBFL said: Well let’s hope McDermott turns it around then. Otherwise we’ll have to hear about it even more than already every day of the week… 😩 If we play like we did at Philly, we will win out. Miami and KC didn't win against them. We should have won. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 45 minutes ago, BBFL said: Why are games being played on a Saturday for week 15? The NFL has played Saturday games this late in the season for a long time. When college football's regular season is over, the NFL will take advantage of the extra weekend day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 23 minutes ago, chongli said: If we play like we did at Philly, we will win out. Miami and KC didn't win against them. We should have won. To be fair, KC also dominated Philly and should have won. They shot themselves in the foot just like us. Gotta hand it to Philly...they're either the luckiest SOBs in the world or are a championship team that digs deep and just finds ways to win. Guess we'll find out which in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: "Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX" Fox is praying we beat KC next week, otherwise Dallas game is moot (as far as Bills are concerned). Maybe NFL will whisper the script to the refs before the KC game and we'll get some calls our way. I mean you really got to think if there is any swaying of games that the league would want the Bills in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Awesome, so our continued humiliation can be witnessed by a national audience we are 100% winning that game. Dallas is not good on the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 18 hours ago, Kincaid Kool-Aid said: Same day flex games I get to a degree. If I'm already planning on going to the game Sunday I can probably swing a game moved earlier or later that day, annoying as it might be. Scheduling to an entirely new day with less than 2 weeks notice though??? Seems crazy from a ticketed fan's perspective, especially for those travelling in from out of town. Have to imagine a good chunk of fans won't be able to adjust and will have to sell or forfeit the tix. Curious if they would be offered any sort of refund in that scenario? A few more points on this: 1. Ticket sales/attendance is not hurt by this flexing since fans inconvenienced just resell these tickets on TicketMaster or the like. These marketers love it when flexes happen. As long as attendance s not hurt, the NFL doesn't care about the inconvenience to some fans since they feel the greater good is to show the better game to a wider audience on TV. 2. I also read this story on another forum about a visitor from abroad almost being screwed over by the MNF flex: "My cousin in Amsterdam is flying in for the game. Now he has done this several times in past years and he flies in on Friday and flies home on Monday. This time because of a better airplane ticket price he is flying home on Tuesday which as it turns out a good decision. If he had stuck to what he has done in the past and fly home on Monday he would have missed the game and with no refund on his airplane ticket. He might have been able to make a change to the airplane ticket but would have had to pay a hefty change fee. So for those of you who are happy with the flex keep in mind that changing the game from Sunday to Monday can be a major problem for those holding tickets and in this case not only for those with the tickets to the Seahawks-Eagles game but also those holding tickets to the Chiefs-Patriots game." 3. And this is from the Phans in Philly group who are flying to Seattle for the game. They lucked out, with difficulty: https://www.facebook.com/phansofphilly/posts/896584071831150 "The league doesn't make things easy on us! Our whole trip to Seattle was built around the game being Sunday. Our hotel was checking out Monday, and our flights home were Monday! All the vendors we work with, like caterers, transportation, etc, were all booked around Sunday. We spent the day making adjustments and rescheduling everything. I'm happy to say we pulled it all off and we are still getting our Phans out for the game! See you all out there for another prime time game! Go Birds!! #FlyEaglesFly" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 17 hours ago, BBFL said: Why are games being played on a Saturday for week 15? I think the NFL does this every year once the college football season is done. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, Gregg said: I think the NFL does this every year once the college football season is done. Maybe I’ve just forgotten about that. Can’t seem to remember more than 2 games on a Saturday. Thanks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 hours ago, chongli said: A few more points on this: 1. Ticket sales/attendance is not hurt by this flexing since fans inconvenienced just resell these tickets on TicketMaster or the like. These marketers love it when flexes happen. As long as attendance s not hurt, the NFL doesn't care about the inconvenience to some fans since they feel the greater good is to show the better game to a wider audience on TV. 2. I also read this story on another forum about a visitor from abroad almost being screwed over by the MNF flex: "My cousin in Amsterdam is flying in for the game. Now he has done this several times in past years and he flies in on Friday and flies home on Monday. This time because of a better airplane ticket price he is flying home on Tuesday which as it turns out a good decision. If he had stuck to what he has done in the past and fly home on Monday he would have missed the game and with no refund on his airplane ticket. He might have been able to make a change to the airplane ticket but would have had to pay a hefty change fee. So for those of you who are happy with the flex keep in mind that changing the game from Sunday to Monday can be a major problem for those holding tickets and in this case not only for those with the tickets to the Seahawks-Eagles game but also those holding tickets to the Chiefs-Patriots game." 3. And this is from the Phans in Philly group who are flying to Seattle for the game. They lucked out, with difficulty: https://www.facebook.com/phansofphilly/posts/896584071831150 "The league doesn't make things easy on us! Our whole trip to Seattle was built around the game being Sunday. Our hotel was checking out Monday, and our flights home were Monday! All the vendors we work with, like caterers, transportation, etc, were all booked around Sunday. We spent the day making adjustments and rescheduling everything. I'm happy to say we pulled it all off and we are still getting our Phans out for the game! See you all out there for another prime time game! Go Birds!! #FlyEaglesFly" Exactly! i had folks who might have flights/hotel reservations in mind. Not super easy to just change, particularly if it also involves potentially added time off at work etc. I'm sure you're right that the NFL doesn't care too much as long as butts are in seats, but no doubt it's a bad experience for a good chunk of fans at the same time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 22 hours ago, BillStime said: Reality is hitting Boston media hard right now. Wait until the Patriot fans find out that a Gillette Stadium home game has been preempted by an RV show, and the Patriots are now playing at Foxborough High's Sam Berns Field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 The Patriots are so bad they got flexed out of MNF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Wait until the Patriot fans find out that a Gillette Stadium home game has been preempted by an RV show, and the Patriots are now playing at Foxborough High's Sam Berns Field. They are still crying about it on Boston sports talk - freakn hilarious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 1:04 PM, BuffaloBillies said: "Dallas at Buffalo becomes the sole late national game on FOX" Fox is praying we beat KC next week, otherwise Dallas game is moot (as far as Bills are concerned). Maybe NFL will whisper the script to the refs before the KC game and we'll get some calls our way. I was 100% convinced we were going to get favorable calls in the Philly game. Boy was I wrong. 10-1 penalties half way through the 2nd quarter. Thought because of playoff narratives, the league could easily have the Eagles absorb a loss to keep Buffalo in the playoff race. I guess a Taylor Swift / Kelce Bros. Super Bowl makes more sense revenue wise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I was 100% convinced we were going to get favorable calls in the Philly game. Boy was I wrong. 10-1 penalties half way through the 2nd quarter. Thought because of playoff narratives, the league could easily have the Eagles absorb a loss to keep Buffalo in the playoff race. I guess a Taylor Swift / Kelce Bros. Super Bowl makes more sense revenue wise. Maybe the NFL wants to make the Bills the "lovable losers," like the Cubs all those years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) In a subscriber-only article, Andrew Marchand writes about the Monday night flex: he confirms the Cowboys (and presumably all NFC teams) have to appear on FOX at least eight times between Weeks 1 and 17, so Fox didn't have to protect the Dallas at Buffalo game in Week 15 and instead chose to protect Philadelphia at Seattle. As an incentive to let the NFL flex that game, the league didn't move Chicago at Cleveland, which FOX wanted to keep, to Saturday. https://nypost.com/2023/12/04/sports/inside-the-elaborate-dance-behind-the-nfls-flex-schedule/ Screenshot: Edited December 4, 2023 by chongli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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