Joe Marino

[newcam2012]

Great information by Joe. He says it way better than I can. Worth a listen. 

 

 

[VaMilBill]

Spot on on a lot of items. Only thing I wished he gave us was some recommendations on what the team should do going forward. 

[Pete]

Just now, VaMilBill said:

Spot on on a lot of items. Only thing I wished he gave us was some recommendations on what the team should do going forward. 

what can he say?  Trading deadline has passed.  We are riddled with injuries,  with some of our top players missing.  What is the solution?  Rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic?

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

what can he say?  Trading deadline has passed.  We are riddled with injuries,  with some of our top players missing.  What is the solution?  Rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic?

 

Make games shootouts. The defense cannot force turnovers for anything at the moment so let the offense take the preferred approach. If it means games are 38-35 instead of 24-18 so be it.

[colin]

Coming into this game, they showed Allen lead the NFL in TDS, had the highest completion percentage, and top 5 passing yards and rating.

 

After the game, we lead the NFL in epa per offensive drive, and point differential.

 

The bad results and our barely 500 record points to coaching and coaching alone.  This team lacks confidence, has no consistency, and makes the same predictable mistakes over and over.

 

3rd and 10 option routes outside the numbers to midget wrs is insane.  

 

We see our d get smoked by tempo and quick passing vs our zone, so we attack another team playing soft zone with delayed handoffs out of shotgun and slow developing plays.

 

If we miss the playoffs, the whole front office has to go.  If we are one and done in the playoffs, they whole front office has to go, 

 

Frankly, walking papers should have been mass printed after 13 seconds.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Make games shootouts. The defense cannot force turnovers for anything at the moment so let the offense take the preferred approach. If it means games are 38-35 instead of 24-18 so be it.

 

I don't think they are trying to play 24-18 games. The offense just cannot string good drives together. 

 

Turnovers. Penalties. Blown protections (looking at you Spencer Brown). Miscommunications. Just a general lack of any rhythm. 

 

Over the last five games we are averaging 20.2 points. That isn't good enough. Especially when your defense is beat up and you are pulling guys off the practice squad and the street to play meaningful snaps for you. 

 

It hasn't been a muderers row of offenses I geant you but since losing 3 key guys and with various others missing time the D is giving up 21 through the last 5. That should be enough to win you games when you are paying an elite QB elite QB money.

 

 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think they are trying to play 24-18 games. The offense just cannot string good drives together. 

 

Turnovers. Penalties. Blown protections (looking at you Spencer Brown). Miscommunications. Just a general lack of any rhythm. 

 

Over the last five games we are averaging 20.2 points. That isn't good enough. Especially when your defense is beat up and you are pulling guys off the practice squad and the street to play meaningful snaps for you. 

 

It hasn't been a muderers row of offenses I geant you but since losing 3 key guys and with various others missing time the D is giving up 21 through the last 5. That should be enough to win you games when you are paying an elite QB elite QB money.

 

 

 

The bugbear is why the inconsistency? Come out hot, everything looks easy. Second half, fumble aside, everything looks relatively comfortable. What happened for the rest of the first and second quarters? And why is it seen so often.

[jlgarsh]

The offense could string together drives if they'd just commit to running an uptempo offense. They move the ball at will in the hurry up, regardless of situation. But Dorsey & McDermott refuse to do the obvious solution.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

The offense could string together drives if they'd just commit to running an uptempo offense. They move the ball at will in the hurry up, regardless of situation. But Dorsey & McDermott refuse to do the obvious solution.

 

But it's alright as the Head Coach - who should be overseeing every aspect of the game, including the OC/play calls etc. - apparently has no idea why the Bills are not using hurry up offense.

[Mango]

I have a little bit of an issue with the criticism that trying to get the run game going stalled the offense. 
 

On the second drive we took 2 deep shots and a short throw. Completed zero. The problem isn’t two run plays for zero yards. 
 

The third drive was 2 terrible decisions in a row from Josh that ended in an INT. 
 

Then came back on the 4th drive with run, run pass. 
 

We ran the ball 8 times with our RB’s. We can’t honestly be saying trying to run the ball once in a blue moon is what killed us. We ran the ball just 4 more times after that. That’s bonkers. 

[Mango]

Worth noting with some of the Gabe Davis criticisms this week. “Where was Gabe?”

 

Diggs and Kincaid did everything we begged from a first and second target. They were open a ton, caught just about everything, 16 catches for about 160. We got that 1/2 production everybody was begging for. Davis was a role player on the outside. That’s what people have pounded the table for. 
 

We have to do better at getting him and Cook involved situationally for chunk plays and RAC. Let Shakir find some soft spots. Davis brings some speed and size on the outside, and Cook should be tearing up LB’s in the passing game. Those guys are certainly good enough to fill those roles with the emerging of Kincaid as a legit option. 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

I have a little bit of an issue with the criticism that trying to get the run game going stalled the offense. 
 

On the second drive we took 2 deep shots and a short throw. Completed zero. The problem isn’t two run plays for zero yards. 
 

The third drive was 2 terrible decisions in a row from Josh that ended in an INT. 
 

Then came back on the 4th drive with run, run pass. 
 

We ran the ball 8 times with our RB’s. We can’t honestly be saying trying to run the ball once in a blue moon is what killed us. We ran the ball just 4 more times after that. That’s bonkers. 

 

Agree. Trying to turn James Cook into the bogeyman is a weird reaction to what we are seeing. He had that one reception where he shoulda gonw straight ahead and tried to bounce but otherwise he got what was there for him. The issues lie elsewhere.

[Coach Tuesday]

This entire front office: Beane, McDermott - have criminally under-emphasized offense and as a result their window has closed.  It’s gone, over, done.  
 

It’s time to clean house.

[Mango]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree. Trying to turn James Cook into the bogeyman is a weird reaction to what we are seeing. He had that one reception where he shoulda gonw straight ahead and tried to bounce but otherwise he got what was there for him. The issues lie elsewhere.

I am sort of live tweeting this. On the train to NYC and this is a long video. But I take issue with Joes order of operations so far. 
 

1. Coaching fine. 
2. Defense. What?…

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

Worth noting with some of the Gabe Davis criticisms this week. “Where was Gabe?”

 

Diggs and Kincaid did everything we begged from a first and second target. They were open a ton, caught just about everything, 16 catches for about 160. We got that 1/2 production everybody was begging for. Davis was a role player on the outside. That’s what people have pounded the table for. 
 

We have to do better at getting him and Cook involved situationally for chunk plays and RAC. Let Shakir find some soft spots. Davis brings some speed and size on the outside, and Cook should be tearing up LB’s in the passing game. Those guys are certainly good enough to fill those roles with the emerging of Kincaid as a legit option. 

 

And while part of the conversation with Gabe is does he get open often enough (and that is likely part of the low targets without the advantage of the A22 yet) his two targets he was open and Josh needs to make a better throw. He was late on the throw that led to the INT and he needs to throw a more catchable ball on the one in the endzone cos Davis had his man beat and if Josh puts a bit of touch on that ball its 6.

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And while part of the conversation with Gabe is does he get open often enough (and that is likely part of the low targets without the advantage of the A22 yet) his two targets he was open and Josh needs to make a better throw. He was late on the throw that led to the INT and he needs to throw a more catchable ball on the one in the endzone cos Davis had his man beat and if Josh puts a bit of touch on that ball its 6.

I think some of the issue is Dorsey, some is offensive personnel, but I also think Josh has been figured out a bit. He’s a brute force kind of QB, and when things get tight he doubles down on it. 
 

I was driving this am and caught a quick CIN quote post game on NFL radio and he said something like “we just tried to keep the play in front of us, take away the big play, force them to drive the field, don’t let Josh escape the pocket”.

 

Dorsey needs to find a way to get Josh going when teams do this. But man, it sucks to hear teams say stuff like this. This is where we just beat ourselves. Take what they give you!

[Tenhigh]

18 minutes ago, Mango said:

I am sort of live tweeting this. On the train to NYC and this is a long video. But I take issue with Joes order of operations so far. 
 

1. Coaching fine. 
2. Defense. What?…

 

Metro North or NJT?

[LarryMadman]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

I think some of the issue is Dorsey, some is offensive personnel, but I also think Josh has been figured out a bit. He’s a brute force kind of QB, and when things get tight he doubles down on it. 
 

I was driving this am and caught a quick CIN quote post game on NFL radio and he said something like “we just tried to keep the play in front of us, take away the big play, force them to drive the field, don’t let Josh escape the pocket”.

 

Dorsey needs to find a way to get Josh going when teams do this. But man, it sucks to hear teams say stuff like this. This is where we just beat ourselves. Take what they give you!

Not sticking up for McD at all as I think he stinks but it is interesting hearing other teams do the same thing McD does that everyone criticizes him for. What's the answer? Have no idea other than a change is needed. 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:

Metro North or NJT?

Amtrak actually. But I’ll be passing through the Yonkers shortly. Ha.

[Tenhigh]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

I think some of the issue is Dorsey, some is offensive personnel, but I also think Josh has been figured out a bit. He’s a brute force kind of QB, and when things get tight he doubles down on it. 
 

I was driving this am and caught a quick CIN quote post game on NFL radio and he said something like “we just tried to keep the play in front of us, take away the big play, force them to drive the field, don’t let Josh escape the pocket”.

 

Dorsey needs to find a way to get Josh going when teams do this. But man, it sucks to hear teams say stuff like this. This is where we just beat ourselves. Take what they give you!

Isn't it as simple as calling the underneath stuff when defenses are doing that to us? Josh is a  pretty good dink and dunker, but I think sometimes Dorsey has the same problem that Josh has, always looking for the big score.  We need an adult in the conversation.  Someone should dig up the corpse of Chan to help on O.