cgg716 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: We did draft two offensive players with our first two picks. Also signed another FA guard who is playing well. We did a good job with our offensive upgrades. Something is broken though. This year they did at least begin to try. Coach is still hampering it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I love how a Pats fan is here making more threads the week after, coincidentally, the Bills lost to the Pats... And he clearly doesn't know the team this board is here to discuss. Woof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Seen many posts stating injuries are no excuse, all teams have them and that is true. But how many have probably their best 4 defensive players all out 3 of them long term. There's an article came out today in the BN stating Bills lead the league in percent of salary cap on IR. Up till now all their players on offense have remained the same so the defense does have an excuse more and they looked real strong prior to the injuries. There was chart showing how the Bills offense is still coming up with big plays, 14 of them in Sundays game, but only 3 were before halftime. They lead the league on salary cap IR? Maybe but I’ll just take my Pats D missing Judon, Gonzalez, Jonathan Jones, Uche, and Marcus Jones. All starters on D our top 2 corners, and our top 2 Pass rushers and our Swiss Army knife in Marcus Jones who probably takes that 1 long punt return (that ended in a FG) to the house. Pats D still been playing well (Minus Dallas and Saints game) and if they had a competent O the Team probably be 4-3 or more likely 5-2 even with those injuries. Right now your O is the 3rd highest scoring O in the NFL. Behind only Miami and the 49ers.. but yet they are to blame for the losses. Lol 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: I love how a Pats fan is here making more threads the week after, coincidentally, the Bills lost to the Pats... And he clearly doesn't know the team this board is here to discuss. Woof. Umm I have only made 2 threads this week. The other saying the bills be fine.. which they will be if your Coach can stop the bleeding on D. Your Bills won’t beat anyone if the D keeps giving up 29 plus points a game to bad Os . You only have a few more left before the good Os arrive on your schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I hope they discussed what they wanted out of the offense in the players-only meeting: what kinds of plays they think they're best at, what they want their identity to be, what changes they want made, etc. After discussing that, the offensive leaders can have a productive discussion with Dorsey rather than having random players complain to Dorsey at random times. Same goes for the defense, but I have the feeling that they're more content with what they're doing and just trying to compensate for the injuries as best they can 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 Just now, LeGOATski said: I hope they discussed what they wanted out of the offense in the players-only meeting: what kinds of plays they think they're best at, what they want their identity to be, what changes they want made, etc. After discussing that, the offensive leaders can have a productive discussion with Dorsey rather than having random players complain to Dorsey at random times. Same goes for the defense, but I have the feeling that they're more content with what they're doing and just trying to compensate for the injuries as best they can I still say if the Bills D is that hampered by 3 players being out they need to adapt to a bend but don’t break type Defense. Make the teams take long drives to beat you and guard against the big plays.. most teams will shoot themselves in the foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 @PatsFanNH don't bother trying to reply to me, I've had you on my ignore list for over a year 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 The Bills offense scored 3.125 points per possession (I'm not counting the end of either half as a possession). If my math is correct that's the 4th best offensive performance of the week trailing behind BAL, PHI, and NE. Our defense easily had the 2nd worst performance of the week (at least we were better than DET). So why are people blaming the offense? 1) The QB (and therefore offense) always gets too much credit and blame for wins/losses 2) Our offense has been sputtering in the last 3 games relative to putting up a perfect game vs Dolphins in week4 3) Injuries on DEF changed our expectations and we now think that as long as we're not allowing a TD every single drive the DEF is doing their job 4) Our DEF minded head coach places the blame on the offense 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rew Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: We went from not punting to probably punting more than anyone in the league in the last few weeks. We can't even cross midfield on any sort of regular basis. As an interesting point of context, the Bills are in the top 10 in the league for fewest punts attempted over the last 3 weeks. Source: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/punt-attempts-per-game Turning they are "not playing as well as they were before" into "worst in the league" is absurdly over dramatic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 41 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Omg! It’s 3 people down.. The Pats O line has been a MASH unit all year. Brown, Onwenu, and Strange were back but no where near a 100%. Heck Brown got reinjured during the game but came back in for the final drive. But your D missing 1 lineman and that’s why the Pass rush just vanished.. BUT it’s ok to expect your O to score a TD on practically every drive they got in the first half. That’s just not sound logic. Milano, Tre, Dequan, Oliver, Phillips, Von. Why am I arguing with a Pats fan? My point is if the O had scored the D would not have been in that situation. Clearly not getting thru. 33 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: @PatsFanNH don't bother trying to reply to me, I've had you on my ignore list for over a year His team isn't worth having a discussion over so he is here with his deep football intellect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 49 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: They lead the league on salary cap IR? Maybe but I’ll just take my Pats D missing Judon, Gonzalez, Jonathan Jones, Uche, and Marcus Jones. All starters on D our top 2 corners, and our top 2 Pass rushers and our Swiss Army knife in Marcus Jones who probably takes that 1 long punt return (that ended in a FG) to the house. Pats D still been playing well (Minus Dallas and Saints game) and if they had a competent O the Team probably be 4-3 or more likely 5-2 even with those injuries. Right now your O is the 3rd highest scoring O in the NFL. Behind only Miami and the 49ers.. but yet they are to blame for the losses. Lol How do those numbers look like over the past 3 games? I highly doubt they are #3 then. 10 points total scored before halftime in 3 games. The offense went from average 35 points per game in the first four games to 20 in the past three and averaging 3 points a game up to halftime. So yes I do blame the offense more than the defense. Regardless this thread was about the Bills offense and defense, has nothing to do with NE and how good, bad, or ugly they are playing and what injuries they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Just a reality check on whether or not Allen is playing poorly this season: Allen's rank among QB Starters: Yards passing = #6 Passing TD's = tied with Mahomes & Tua for #2 Total TD's = #1 Regular QB Rating = #6 QBR = #3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Because if we scored a TD and a field goal in the first half we would have won the game…, just a WAG…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 28 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Because if we scored a TD and a field goal in the first half we would have won the game…, just a WAG…, If the defense had turned up in the final drive we would have won the game. Just like 13 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 58 minutes ago, Rew said: As an interesting point of context, the Bills are in the top 10 in the league for fewest punts attempted over the last 3 weeks. Source: https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/punt-attempts-per-game Turning they are "not playing as well as they were before" into "worst in the league" is absurdly over dramatic. . Yes it was but it's not absurd based on how our offense has been playing. 19 ppg in the last 3 is unacceptable when two of those teams were 1 win teams who had several injuries as well. Our previous 3 before that, we averaged 41 points a game. I know that's not sustainable but a 22 point drop is pretty dramatic. Honestly, who cares if I was wrong with punt attempts? 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Our offense has definitely looked the 2nd best in the league in weeks 5-7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Yeah but... injuries. Anyone would think the Bills had grabbed a load of HC defensive players and put them out there. That's not to absolve the offense, they have been poor for too long for first halves of games and that's on coaching and players. But the defense should be more effective than it has been, even with the players lost. ETA - Obviously I mean against the Pats. Edited October 24, 2023 by UKBillFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: . Yes it was but it's not absurd based on how our offense has been playing. 19 ppg in the last 3 is unacceptable when two of those teams were 1 win teams who had several injuries as well. Our previous 3 before that, we averaged 41 points a game. I know that's not sustainable but a 22 point drop is pretty dramatic. Honestly, who cares if I was wrong with punt attempts? Our offense has definitely looked the 2nd best in the league in weeks 5-7. 2nd half it actually looked pretty great...lack of possessions is where people got fooled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: 2nd half it actually looked pretty great...lack of possessions is where people got fooled. I think people get fooled is it's a 4 quarter game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think people get fooled is it's a 4 quarter game. 100% agree, but for people saying the offense has sucked, it's not exactly true. You can only score points when you have the ball and when the offense is on fire in the 2nd half and you only have 3 or 4 possessions cause the D isn't stopping anyone, that doesn't help. O is not helping D in the 1st half, D is not helping O in the second. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 22 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: If the defense had turned up in the final drive we would have won the game. Just like 13 seconds. It is both, but primarily our offense is sputtering, jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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