Airseven Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Is he wrong? That’s a righteous take down. This board lives in denial. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) You cannot argue against what he says, in my view. Little Dirty was a complete bust, the opposite of Beasley as far as route running, separation, and sure hands. I think not having a slot receiver last year was a huge blow to the Bills' chances. Instead of the almost 100% confidence Allen had in Beasley, he likely had almost none that McKenzie would get open or make the catch. Shakir may have been able to be that guy last year if we had an OC capable of seeing the forest through the trees. But now we don't even know that, as he was never given the opportunity. Beasley should absolutely be in camp this year and during the pre-season. The Bills need to see if he can still be that guy who improves Allen and the team. Edited April 25, 2023 by Mister Defense 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 6 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Call me crazy, but I think Darnell Washington and Cole Beasley have different skill sets. The discussion strayed from the initial subject. You are free to pass over material you find uninteresting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Beasley has been done since the middle of 2021. The numbers prove it. He hit the wall in the middle of that season and his production dropped off significantly. I'm not a Beasley hater, I appreciate what he did for the Bills and he was important in Allen's development, but they cut him because he couldn't produce at the level required any longer. Nor could he when he came back. Nor would he suddenly now. He is done. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Well, I have to respect his mindset and belief in himself. It's actually pretty common for an athlete to be the last one to know when his time is up, however. I'm sure he can still see himself making plays in his mind. Especially coming from a guy that has been told over and over that he can't do it. This is where he's always proven the critics wrong. But simply put he's not that guy anymore. He may have been the most productive slot WR the Bills ever had. But that was a couple years back and time marches on. The only issue at slot right now is that it is an uncertain position. Shakir? Harty? Sheffield? A rookie? We don't know WHAT we have there. However there is good reason to be hopeful that one of those guys steps into a meaningful role and can at least come near matching what the 2020 version of Beasley was able to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 13 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I think some of you grossly underestimate how big of a change that would be. NFL Offensive Coordinators are not known for just scrapping their entire offensive style and moving to a totally different offense design in an off season. Usually the team just fires the OC and then goes and hires the OC that runs the system they want to change to who has proven success running that style of offense. If we had a good 2nd TE, would we incorporate some more 2 TE sets...sure...but to expect its going to be a main focal point is a bit unrealistic. And I will point this out again to everyone so keen on running a heavy dose of 12 personnel...no team has ever won the SB building its offense off 12 personnel and 2 TE sets. i was wondering if this was a joke or a fishing attempt. New england, who ran the same general system (erhardt perkins) built their 18 year dynasty with a large dose of two tight ends. we don't have to trot out the ghosts of graham and watson next season, but a big part of the EP offense is match up problems. having a two tight end set w some of the weapons we have and allen can be a huge match up nightmare for opponents, so ya i think we absolutely could run more heavy 2 te sets and pass or run out of it. it would also be a big help w blocking and in the red zone. it doesnt' have to be half our snaps, but we currently don't have two nfl TEs on our roster, so adding one makes two TE sets something we can add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 I disagree, he has lost a step and he ain't getting it back 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shemp Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Buffalo will continue to spin its wheels with Dorsey as OC. He's raw and he's too mental to coach from the field yet they stick with him. Where's Ted Marchibroda when you need him? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan_in_tx Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 13 hours ago, Yantha said: Cole Beasley is a POS. Never liked him. Appreciate your non-biased, objective football and position analysis contribution to the thread.. Great take ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Forget whether he's done or not. Forget how good he was or might still be. Just ask yourself how many other Bills tweet like this. Answer: None. Beasley doesn't fit in. He has a tendency to become an irritant way beyond his value. It just isn't the Bills way. 2 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 14 hours ago, Yantha said: Cole Beasley is a POS. Never liked him. The type of fan/consumer who calls a person they never met a "POS" is one who ought to re-evaluate their own world view. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Just in Atlanta said: The type of fan/consumer who calls a person they never met a "POS" is one who ought to re-evaluate their own world view. He's clearly a POS teammate. I'm sure he's a great son, father, and husband. Don't get all deep on this. You never throw teammates under the bus. Never. He worked shoulder to shoulder with Davis, Shakir, Mackenzie, Crowder, and Diggs..... Everyone woking their tails off day in and day out. This guy..... Sorry but agree to disagree.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Beasley has been done since the middle of 2021. The numbers prove it. He hit the wall in the middle of that season and his production dropped off significantly. I'm not a Beasley hater, I appreciate what he did for the Bills and he was important in Allen's development, but they cut him because he couldn't produce at the level required any longer. Nor could he when he came back. Nor would he suddenly now. He is done. It’s mind-boggling how people here are talking like he’s still Cole Beasley during his All-Pro season from 2020! Are we sure he’s a better slot than Shakir or Harty? You are spot on about his decline physically toward the end of the 2021 season. His receptions and yards per reception all dropped. The lack of interest in him during most of the 2022 season is an indicator of how teams view him. He still is smart and can find openings but lack of explosiveness make it harder to get there. IMO this is what he wasn’t much of a factor in Buffalo last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Beasley has been done since the middle of 2021. The numbers prove it. He hit the wall in the middle of that season and his production dropped off significantly. I'm not a Beasley hater, I appreciate what he did for the Bills and he was important in Allen's development, but they cut him because he couldn't produce at the level required any longer. Nor could he when he came back. Nor would he suddenly now. He is done. To be fair to Beasley, that drop-off did coincide with having his ribs broken on Halloween. On the other hand, instead of allowing them to heal, he kept playing and they bothered him all season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 15 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Are you expecting 12 personnel? I'm actually expecting more 21 personnel actually. There really ought to be a reason that the Bills have focused so hard on acquiring RBs who can run routes and catch passes in Cook and Harty All the moves the Bills have made say "we're planning an offense around small fast nimble guys" I'm not sure Dorsey knows how to use a TE effectively, though having Knox chip all the time may be part of it, and Olsen was a big part of the Panthers O when Dorsey was in Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watching since 1964 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Tre said last year he’d rather cover Diggs than Beasley. One of the NY UP guys posted it when Beasley was re-signed. Beasley’s tweet from today… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 10 hours ago, JohnNord said: You sure he’d be the best? On the current Bills team? In terms of demonstrated performance, Yes. But look at who he'd be beating out - -Harty, who had 2 whole targets last season, and who had 36 receptions for 570 yds in 2021 while playing 13 games -Shakir, who, contrary to the opinion of some fans that he was being "coddled" or unacountably kept off the field for no reason, was given chances to show what he could do and who showed he couldn't read a zone D reliably and get open last season. Some people think he may lack the necessary quickness as a slot, I dunno. -Sherfield, last year by far his best, 30 receptions for 417 yds in 17 games It's possible any or all of them might take a step in this offense with Josh throwing to them, but it's also possible they won't be able to take that step Just as McKenzie wasn't able to take as much of a step as the Bills (and fans) wanted from him. McKenzie still had more receptions and more 1D than any of the current slot candidates. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I'm actually expecting more 21 personnel actually. There really ought to be a reason that the Bills have focused so hard on acquiring RBs who can run routes and catch passes in Cook and Harty All the moves the Bills have made say "we're planning an offense around small fast nimble guys" I'm not sure Dorsey knows how to use a TE effectively, though having Knox chip all the time may be part of it, and Olsen was a big part of the Panthers O when Dorsey was in Carolina. That would be interesting. However, it seems to me if you are going that direction, you better have a solid oline and I'm dubious we qualify yet even if one is optimistic about the FA signings at guard. (I've been imagining 12 personnel with a player like Washington aiding the oline with his superior blocking.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Jamison Crowder not getting hurt is like the sun not setting in the West. Not sure why you’re laughing at a guy that was clearly an important piece in a two decade long wait for relevancy. Just like the Kelly era, That time is past, we have moved on, Cole is no longer relevant. That some here feel that a slot receiver that was on the team for a short period of time, and is now thoroughly washed, is some how relevant as the team sits at present is just silly. Cole had his moment in the sun, but that moment is in the past, and no longer a working part of the Buffalo bills. Edited April 25, 2023 by Don Otreply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 What is telling is that no one wants him. No one wanted him last year either. That's the end of the conversation. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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