Trump wants to ban ABORTION, IVF, MIFEPRISTONE nationwide and JAIL doctors who provide care.

[BillStime]

 

Edited April 10 by BillStime

[Andy1]

I’m sure some republican legislature is working on that one.

First outlaw all abortions.

Then make the doctors criminals.

Next, put the girls/women in prison.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Andy1 said:

I’m sure some republican legislature is working on that one.

First outlaw all abortions.

Then make the doctors criminals.

Next, put the girls/women in prison.

Link?

[Andy1]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Link?

No link…yet. Just wait.

Isnt that the logical conclusion to all of it though? 
If aborting an embryo at 7 weeks in a state with a 6 week ban is the taking of a human life, there must be some consequences for the woman who voluntarily killed the person/embryo. To not charge/punish the woman would not be protecting the unborn. That’s not being tough on crime.

First it was overturn Roe to allow each state to determine their laws. Now a conservative judge wants to remove medical abortions nation wide. Surely politicians catering to the religious right want a nationwide ban. Some prosecutor, judge, legislature, politician will always want to be further right than those who came before him/her. 

 

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

First it was overturn Roe to allow each state to determine their laws. Now a conservative judge wants to remove medical abortions nation wide. Surely politicians catering to the religious right want a nationwide ban. Some prosecutor, judge, legislature, politician will always want to be further right than those who came before him/her. 

A conservative judge can't do that.  It would take a law passing in Congress and unless public perception changes on the abortion issue it won't happen.

[SoCal Deek]

Why is this news? He said this some time ago. He was careful to indicate that he didn’t see prison time but instead some sort of deterrent to breaking a law. Should we not have deterrents? Isn’t that a key point of having laws? Oh wait….I guess it isn’t anymore.

[T master]

13 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

Always looking for the negative to fit your narrative SURPRISE ...

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, T master said:

 

Always looking for the negative to fit your narrative SURPRISE ...

 

It's pretty easy when it comes to your cult leader.

 

[BillStime]

Stick a fork in Conald

 

lmao - lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

 

 

[T master]

On 4/16/2023 at 7:35 PM, BillStime said:

 

 

They are all liars of some sort pushing their own individual opinions as truth only to be found out to be lies even you r guy has done it .

 

 

[BillStime]

👆🤡 - tries so hard.

 

Hysterical

[T master]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

👆🤡 - tries so hard.

 

Hysterical

 

That's all you can do is laugh because you can't dispute the truth tat the man that you put your faith in as big of a liar as all the rest put in that position  .

Edited April 24, 2023 by T master

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

 

That's all you can do is laugh because you can't dispute the truth tat the man that you put your faith in as big of a liar as all the rest put in that position  .

I sure as hell wasn’t going to vote for this:

 

[T master]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

I sure as hell wasn’t going to vote for this:

 

 

Well once again that tells us all a awful lot about you .

 

if you were willing to vote for Hillary & Biden that would mean stupid x 2 = complete stupidity 

[Tiberius]

He's going to be the GOP nominee! 

 

Wow 

 

Biden a two term president 

[BillStime]

32 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Well once again that tells us all a awful lot about you .

 

if you were willing to vote for Hillary & Biden that would mean stupid x 2 = complete stupidity 

 

Um, what does this say about you?

 

[ComradeKayAdams]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

Stick a fork in Conald

 

Yup. The 2024 election became a fait accompli as soon as the Dobbs v. JWHO decision was announced. I don’t see how Trump can avoid the stain of Christian nationalism as he escapes the primaries and enters the generals (same goes for Meatball Ron and any other GOP’er).

 

I’m predicting a 319-219 electoral college blowout. That would be only 24 red states: Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana.

 

My reasoning:

 

1. The 2022 mid-term red wave turned out to be a trickle.

2. National polls show a large majority support for Roe v. Wade, with the support continuing to grow.

3. The Wisconsin Supreme Court election victory for Janet Protasiewicz highlighted the potency of Democratic campaign machine efforts in college towns.

4. Third-party (Greens + DSA) leftist enthusiasm has collapsed since 2020.

 

And regarding policy details, why the GOP is having a hard time persuading independent voters:

 

1. 6-week abortion bans are laughably absurd, especially when its advocates don’t understand the concept of irregular periods or the reality of how women often don’t even know they’re pregnant up to that point.

2. Contraception is now under attack, which violates the implicit constitutional right to (sexual) privacy found within the ninth and fourteenth amendments.

3. Everything about the mifepristone case’s dissenting opinion from Alito (and Thomas) was ridiculous.

4. People are seeing through the blatant lies of “supporting abortion up to the point of birth.” There’s no statistical evidence for sociopathic mothers having abortions right up to (or beyond) the point of birth. Abortions rarely even occur in the third trimester. When they do occur, it is because of fetal abnormalities or for protecting the mother’s life. These types of abortions are also incredibly expensive and difficult to arrange. The intention of late-term abortion allowance clauses is to eliminate the red tape that gets in the way of exemption cases like rape, i n c e s t, health of the mother, or incredibly long abortion waiting lists. This is the same reason why verification guidelines for abortion exemptions are extremely lax in most European countries.

5. Pro-lifers can’t seem to articulate their arguments without invoking superstitious justifications.

6. Women are just plain uncomfortable with government controlling their sexual autonomy and their medical decisions. We be strange like that…

 

 

EDIT: I hate how Two Bills Drive censors the "i n c e s t" word.

Edited April 25, 2023 by ComradeKayAdams

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Yup. The 2024 election became a fait accompli as soon as the Dobbs v. JWHO decision was announced. I don’t see how Trump can avoid the stain of Christian nationalism as he escapes the primaries and enters the generals (same goes for Meatball Ron and any other GOP’er).

 

I’m predicting a 319-219 electoral college blowout. That would be only 24 red states: Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana.

 

My reasoning:

 

1. The 2022 mid-term red wave turned out to be a trickle.

2. National polls show a large majority support for Roe v. Wade, with the support continuing to grow.

3. The Wisconsin Supreme Court election victory for Janet Protasiewicz highlighted the potency of Democratic campaign machine efforts in college towns.

4. Third-party (Greens + DSA) leftist enthusiasm has collapsed since 2020.

 

And regarding policy details, why the GOP is having a hard time persuading independent voters:

 

1. 6-week abortion bans are laughably absurd, especially when its advocates don’t understand the concept of irregular periods or the reality of how women often don’t even know they’re pregnant up to that point.

2. Contraception is now under attack, which violates the implicit constitutional right to (sexual) privacy found within the ninth and fourteenth amendments.

3. Everything about the mifepristone case’s dissenting opinion from Alito (and Thomas) was ridiculous.

4. People are seeing through the blatant lies of “supporting abortion up to the point of birth.” There’s no statistical evidence for sociopathic mothers having abortions right up to (or beyond) the point of birth. Abortions rarely even occur in the third trimester. When they do occur, it is because of fetal abnormalities or for protecting the mother’s life. These types of abortions are also incredibly expensive and difficult to arrange. The intention of late-term abortion allowance clauses is to eliminate the red tape that gets in the way of exemption cases like rape, *****, health of the mother, or incredibly long abortion waiting lists. This is the same reason why verification guidelines for abortion exemptions are extremely lax in most European countries.

5. Pro-lifers can’t seem to articulate their arguments without invoking superstitious justifications.

6. Women are just plain uncomfortable with government controlling their sexual autonomy and their medical decisions. We be strange like that…

I would agree with you that R’s have zero plan on how to articulate this issue.  
 

They complain that the media pushed Dem narratives (and they do) but ok.. what are you going to do about it?

 

Any national R should take the position that they will not invoke any national legislation on abortion and will abide by the SC decision to leave this to the states. 
 

Brian Kemp, in purple Georgia, has one of the strictest abortion laws in the country… and won in a landslide over a nationally backed candidate who made abortion one of her key platforms.   
 

The problem is … six week bans aren’t popular in northern states (outside now ruby red Ohio).  
 

Neither is anytime/any reason abortion, but the media won’t discuss that and R’s have no clue how to articulate this message.  
 

Therefore they get branded by six week bans and national ban talk by the likes of Lindsey Graham and such.  
 

They will need to have a coherent position on abortion for ‘24 … clearly they can’t just ignore it like they have since Roe was decided. 

[BillStime]

 

[Buffarukus]

On 4/16/2023 at 11:41 PM, Andy1 said:

No link…yet. Just wait.

Isnt that the logical conclusion to all of it though? 
If aborting an embryo at 7 weeks in a state with a 6 week ban is the taking of a human life, there must be some consequences for the woman who voluntarily killed the person/embryo. To not charge/punish the woman would not be protecting the unborn. That’s not being tough on crime.

First it was overturn Roe to allow each state to determine their laws. Now a conservative judge wants to remove medical abortions nation wide. Surely politicians catering to the religious right want a nationwide ban. Some prosecutor, judge, legislature, politician will always want to be further right than those who came before him/her. 

 

 

serious question that may be a dilemma. many men accidentally get women pregnant. can a man assault a woman to cause a miscarriage and get no charges related to the outcome of the child? so only assault charges can be made because he did not kill anything that is considered alive. does this put many women in jeopardy because there are alot of POS out there that look at assault time will be less then 18+ years of responsibility? 

 

i ask this because i think the extremes used to take control of the conversation only but have been more routinely making laws. that and rarely is the left forced to view their ideas through a different lens.

 

the exact way liberals feel about womens lives at this time is the  way pro lifers feel about unborn children for decades. i think the left went from safe and rare into another realm that is dark and now the right is doing the same. the sad part is i think both have valid points and are done from a standpoint of empathy..for the most part but they only consider evil intentions. regardless how you feel your ethics will be challenged and it WILL become hypocritical at some point unless clear lines are drawn. nobody seems to want to do that.

 

you say surely the right wants to prosecute women for murder. thats the logical conclusion. those same people have sat there and watched fully formed unequivocal human life be debated for termination simply because it did not leave the mother. until day of birth  abortion is the logical conclusion to refusing life exists inside the womb. things are going to go to their conclusions in a polar way unless people call out their own side and stop only vilifying the other.

 

Edited April 29, 2023 by Buffarukus