Einstein Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Players in red are gone or are presumed to be gone (example: Edmunds is testing free agency and is expected to get way more than the Bills can pay). Also didn't include 2022 picks since its too early to rate them. How do you rate the rest of the draft picks? Here are my ratings: 2018 Allen - elite Edmunds Phillips Teller Mccloud T Johnson - good Proehl 2019 Oliver - average Ford Singletary Knox - average Joseph J Johnson - bad D Johnson Sweeney 2020 Epenesa - backup quality Moss Davis - average Fromm Bass - good Hodgins D Jackson - average (I'm not as down on Dane as some of you) 2021 Rousseau - average Basham - backup quality Brown - backup quality Doyle - backup Stevenson Hamlin - backup quality Wildgoose Anderson 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 again?? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: again?? I searched before posting and we don't have a topic like this recently. Closest we had was a guy bashing Beane's draft record but didnt list any picks or give any real reason. This is a thread where people can all rate each player. And also, feel free to stay out of threads you don't like. No one forced you to click. Edited February 17, 2023 by Einstein 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Rousseau is definitely not average. 3 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Allen is elite, which buys him a ton of credit and time. But now it's time for him to hit on some picks. Groot is a good player. Oliver is decent. Bass is good at an important position. But there's not a lot there outside of them. By that I mean guys who are better than (insert NFL rostered player's name here) type players. Beane needs a successful draft where rookies actually contribute to the team in a meaningful way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) A lot of average. I think his worst pick is Ford. Missing on Ford hurts because it cost us Teller and multiple draft picks. Ford ultimately cost us a 2nd, 4th, 5th, and Teller. 😬 Edited February 17, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 I would rate them similar to you. However, I would say that Knox, Davis, Rousseau and maybe Oliver all still have a chance to be better than average. I would say all of them have flashed the ability to be better. They just need more consistency. I’d also say that Brown still has a chance to be a starting caliber RT. And I’m hoping J. Johnson maybe just had a bad year. He seemed to be trending in a good direction before last season. Maybe the new safety coach will help him? 🤞 Beane has done an awful lot of good here but I do think his drafts could use some improvement. He needs a home run draft or two to get Buffalo over the hump like we’ve seen other teams do. He needs to draft some true game changers. It’ll be more important now than ever before with the cap situation. I actually think the 2017 draft that McDermott ran might possibly be their best overall draft. Well, excluding Josh Allen anyway. Getting him in 2018 automatically makes that their best draft IMO just due to the importance of a true game changing franchise QB. 2017: Tre White Zay Jones Dion Dawkins Matt Milano Nathan Peterman Tanner Vallejo White is a #1 CB. Dawkins is our franchise LT. Milano is one of the top LB’s in the NFL. Jones was traded but has now found success. Not a bad draft. However, I guess it could be argued that it’s overshadowed by trading the #10 pick to KC and handing them Mahomes, who completed their dynasty and now stands in the way of Buffalo every season for the foreseeable future… lol. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Einstein said: I searched before posting and we don't have a topic like this recently. Closest we had was a guy bashing Beane's draft record but didnt list any picks or give any real reason. This is a thread where people can all rate each player. And also, feel free to stay out of threads you don't like. No one forced you to click. toxic 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Rousseau is definitely not average. I know a lot of people see some elite qualities with him, but i'm talking about his overall play so far. As soon as Von goes out, we never saw Rousseau do anything above average again. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 This just goes to show though. Get the QB right and everything else is a distant second. Josh Allen could be much, much better (and he's already amazing) with a better OL that protects him and allows the offense to become more multiple. Bills won 13 games with a horrible OL, no running game, and 1 WR threat. That's insane! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 You have to consider to some extent the draft position. Oliver would have been a slam dunk as a 6th rounder but as the 9th pick, not so much. Dane Jackson is a great pick in the 6th round. Teller is outstanding, just not with the Bills. I am all for evaluating Beane but to do so you have to guard him against his peers not a list like this. No GM gets a bunch of starters every year. I think even going round by round and looking at snap counts, starts, pro bowls....do that for all GM's and compare. A bunch of guys, especially late round guys contribute on special teams but most fans ignore the value in that. 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: horrible OL, no running game, and 1 WR threat This is nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I would rate them similar to you. However, I would say that Knox, Davis, Rousseau and maybe Oliver all still have a chance to be better than average. I would say all of them have flashed the ability to be better. They just need more consistency. Good post. I struggled the most with Knox. I can see an arguement for him being better than 'average' but least year wasn't kind to the "knox is going to be elite" argument outside of a few amazing plays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: A lot of average. I think his worst pick is Ford. Missing on Ford hurts because it cost us Teller and multiple draft picks. Ford ultimately cost us a 2nd, 4th, 5th, and Teller. 😬 To me, this is why im not so sore about dabol leaving (aside from the fact that we had our own problems w him, and we've had the same numbers on o a better reg season record, and the same playoff exit w dorsey) -- his staff kept ford on and let teller walk. i understand players change and develop and one system is better than another, but ford was a slow fat weak pie eating fatbody who sucked out loud day one, and teller was at least ok to start with and became a savage monster. we had mouse mcnally when peters was on the team, and he had all of one offseason w peters and said he could be one of the best ever. i feel like the candy azz coaches we had, at least for OL, under dabol messed that up awfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Knox isn't average. If they actually used him, could be a real weapon 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Rousseau and Knox are not average. Both are good, with a lot of potential. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Knox is above average, other than that spot on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: Rousseau and Knox are not average. Both are good, with a lot of potential. Knox, among TE's, was 17th in receptions and 14th in yards. With a top 3 QB. That's kind of the definition of average. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Knox, among TE's, was 17th in receptions and 14th in yards. With a top 3 QB. That's kind of the definition of average. They didn't utilize him. Not his fault. When they passed to him, he was effective 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Here is the problem with Beane and the Bills front office and coaching. They haven’t done a good enough job finding stars in Round 1 and 2. Period. Outside of Allen and Edmunds (who they both gave up picks to trade up for), these are their selections: R1: Ed Oliver (2018) Greg Rosseau (2021) Kalir Elam (2022) R2: Cody Ford (2019) AJ Epinesa (2020) Boogie Basham (2021) James Cook (2022) We still don’t know about players like Elam and Cook. I think Rosseau still has the potential to be a good DE though I don’t think he will ever be elite. But the rest of the return from the past 4 years is really bad. You can’t draft JAG players high, which is what the Bills have done for the most part - especially on the DL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Einstein said: Knox, among TE's, was 17th in receptions and 14th in yards. With a top 3 QB. That's kind of the definition of average. Clearly this tells the whole story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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