[Name Only Title] Ed Oliver

[TheBeaneBandit]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Oliver is a disruptive force in the middle, and there are too many Bills fans who have no idea what they’re watching.

For sure. It also seems on plays where he totally wins his matchup but doesn't make the play himself nobody is there to get the cleanup/assist play. 

[97bills]

On 12/22/2022 at 5:34 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I agree. He has consistently pushed the interior line into the QB this year. He was one of the reasons why Green Bay all but abandoned the passing game for a long stretch in that game. On pass plays he was in the backfield throughout the 1st half.

 

  Also was Defensive Player of the week for his massive game on Thanksgiving against the Lions. Still don't know how he didn't get a turkey leg. We don't win that game without him.

 

 

I no I thought he was the best player on the field that day. But Josh Allen and diggs is a sexier pick. 

[IndyMark]

On 11/11/2022 at 9:14 PM, Monty98 said:

I don't understand why people think DT get astronomical sack numbers. Ed will get some looks every once in a while where he's single blocked, but he's often going to get chipped by a RB in the pass game. Oliver gets great penetration, but the downfall with that is you lead to a secondary block. The benefit of that is you take that running back out of the play. I understand stand people expect 10+ sack seasons cause he was drafted at 9. That is absurd, if he's constantly in the 6-8 range as a DT and gets his share of TFLs we are winning with him.

 

Secondly, I do believe he has a high ankle sprain.. that's what he got dinged up with? I'm 3 months out from a high ankle sprain and I still don't have full strength/weight bearing ability. Granted he's an athlete with a world class rehab team, but they always tell people the high ankle sprains last and linger all season

 

I am not sure anyone is stating that we are looking for astronomical sack numbers from Ed, or any DT. However, TFL's should be a bigger thing for him, as should just tackles.

 

In a similar vein, why do people think "pressures" are a thing?  I believe some "pressures" are probably truly missed sacks - particularly in Ed's case;  I would like to see the definitions of those as it is not uncommon for Ed to whiff on a sack where our other DL actually make it.

 

Again, I think the truth about Ed is in the middle of those of thus that think he is severely underperforming  and those of us whom think he is a stud. 

 

Ed was absolutely absent in the Miami game, among others.  Yet, he has shined (?) in a few games.

 

Bottom line Ed is average.

[IndyMark]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Oliver is a disruptive force in the middle, and there are too many Bills fans who have no idea what they’re watching.

The only issue with your observation is that it has not been the case for most of the games this year, injuries notwithstanding. I want Ed to dominate and shine, but it does not happen enough and when viewing his whole body of work, he has as many and likely more "off" games then games where he had notable impact.

 

Oliver provided almost zero disruption or impact during the most recent dolphins game, among others this year. The only time he truly dominated was against second tier, if not third string, players - Detroit game. Which is all well and good, but he needs to disrupt consistently and against top tier OL's.

 

If he shows up tonight, great!  I cheer him on, like all Bills. He simply has not been consistent enough nor disruptive enough in his career to date.

 

Go Bills!

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

The only issue with your observation is that it has not been the case for most of the games this year, injuries notwithstanding. I want Ed to dominate and shine, but it does not happen enough and when viewing his whole body of work, he has as many and likely more "off" games then games where he had notable impact.

 

Oliver provided almost zero disruption or impact during the most recent dolphins game, among others this year. The only time he truly dominated was against second tier, if not third string, players - Detroit game. Which is all well and good, but he needs to disrupt consistently and against top tier OL's.

 

If he shows up tonight, great!  I cheer him on, like all Bills. He simply has not been consistent enough nor disruptive enough in his career to date.

 

Go Bills!

 

He was unusually quiet in that second Dolphins game, agreed. He was coming off the pec injury but he was back to dominating again in Chicago with a sack, a pressure and two tackles for loss. When Ed has been healthy this year he has been dominant. 

1 hour ago, IndyMark said:

I am not sure anyone is stating that we are looking for astronomical sack numbers from Ed, or any DT. However, TFL's should be a bigger thing for him, as should just tackles.

 

In a similar vein, why do people think "pressures" are a thing?  I believe some "pressures" are probably truly missed sacks - particularly in Ed's case;  I would like to see the definitions of those as it is not uncommon for Ed to whiff on a sack where our other DL actually make it.

 

Again, I think the truth about Ed is in the middle of those of thus that think he is severely underperforming  and those of us whom think he is a stud. 

 

Ed was absolutely absent in the Miami game, among others.  Yet, he has shined (?) in a few games.

 

Bottom line Ed is average.

 

Sorry to tell you but you have no idea what you are watching.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was unusually quiet in that second Dolphins game, agreed. He was coming off the pec injury but he was back to dominating again in Chicago with a sack, a pressure and two tackles for loss. When Ed has been healthy this year he has been dominant. 

 

Yeah, he was wearing a brace all week leading up to the Miami game and essentially played the Dolphins one-handed.

I'm starting to worry a bit about his injuries; he plays so damned hard I wonder if he's always going to be nicked up in some fashion

[IndyMark]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was unusually quiet in that second Dolphins game, agreed. He was coming off the pec injury but he was back to dominating again in Chicago with a sack, a pressure and two tackles for loss. When Ed has been healthy this year he has been dominant. 

 

Sorry to tell you but you have no idea what you are watching.

Nor do you my friend, nor do you.

 

Go Bills!

[balln]

great game today. 1 tackle

[HOUSE]

He has 3 horses to feed 

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, balln said:

great game today. 1 tackle

 

He wasn't very good today. There is still heavy strapping on that pec by the looks of it. 

[Simon]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

He wasn't very good today. There is still heavy strapping on that pec by the looks of it. 

 

Yeah, he's got about 40 lbs of tape on him.
Errrr, I mean Kilos. Or wait, is it still Stone?

[DCofNC]

Anybody who’s still under the delusion Oliver is anything special is just a Homer of epic proportion.  He’s completely invisible most games.  Jordan Phillips is a better player.  There, I said it.

[Max Fischer]

Y'all are weird. 

 

 

[Simon]

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He wasn't very good today. There is still heavy strapping on that pec by the looks of it. 

 

I was thinking that if you took a seesaw and set Isiah McKenzie on one end and the amount of tape on Ed Oliver on the other end, that Lil Dirty would probably still be calling for his momma to come and help him down.

 

[John from Riverside]

He is playing hurt on top of that Phillips had to be yanked out of the game because he was injured as well so he was pressed into even more work

 

You generally don’t look good when your that hurt honestly, should he even be playing

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Anybody who’s still under the delusion Oliver is anything special is just a Homer of epic proportion.  He’s completely invisible most games.  Jordan Phillips is a better player.  There, I said it.

Jordan Phillips literally had to be pulled from this game because half of his body wasn’t working for him. I suggest reevaluating your evaluating skills.

Edited January 9, 2023 by John from Riverside

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Anybody who’s still under the delusion Oliver is anything special is just a Homer of epic proportion.  He’s completely invisible most games.  Jordan Phillips is a better player.  There, I said it.

 

Say whatever you want. It's wrong. 

 

2 of the last 3 games Ed has been poor since the pec injury. Compare that to how he played earlier in the year and it is only reasonable to conclude that the injury is playing a part. 

 

Invisible most games though? I mean seriously WTF are you guys watching?

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

I attempted to focus on his play today … I fell asleep. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

He is playing hurt on top of that Phillips had to be yanked out of the game because he was injured as well so he was pressed into even more work

 

You generally don’t look good when your that hurt honestly, should he even be playing

Jordan Phillips literally had to be pulled from this game because half of his body wasn’t working for him. I suggest reevaluating your evaluating skills.

Yeah.. cool.  So you think one player is better than the other because one got injured today.  I guess that makes AJE better than Von Miller because Miller didn’t play today.

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Say whatever you want. It's wrong. 

 

2 of the last 3 games Ed has been poor since the pec injury. Compare that to how he played earlier in the year and it is only reasonable to conclude that the injury is playing a part. 

 

Invisible most games though? I mean seriously WTF are you guys watching?

Justin Zimmer flashed as much as Ed Oliver, the two are the same player, except one had a first round pick wasted on him and the other has to fight the battle of being an undersized DL who happens to be a great athlete.

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah.. cool.  So you think one player is better than the other because one got injured today.  I guess that makes AJE better than Von Miller because Miller didn’t play today.

Justin Zimmer flashed as much as Ed Oliver, the two are the same player, except one had a first round pick wasted on him and the other has to fight the battle of being an undersized DL who happens to be a great athlete.

I’m really not trying to pick a fight here but I’m trying to figure out whether or not you’re being disingenuous. Both of these players have had lingering injuries. One did not get hurt today and get pulled from the game. He has been hurt just like Oliver has been playing with that pic injury for a while.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, DCofNC said:

 

Justin Zimmer flashed as much as Ed Oliver, the two are the same player, except one had a first round pick wasted on him and the other has to fight the battle of being an undersized DL who happens to be a great athlete.

 

Utter nonsense.