JaCrispy Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) Watch Biden’s face when asked by a reporter how he’s going to shut down the pipeline…his expression seems like “What, do you think I was born yesterday? I know how this game works”…😉 This is all very interesting since all the mainstream media seems to be pointing the finger at Russia- and using this as a possible excuse to escalate the war… One thing is for certain- if the US is the culprit, it wouldn’t be the first time the US has used “false flag” operations to draw the country into war…(ie Vietnam, Iraq)… Edited September 29, 2022 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Well I'm absolutely certain it wasn't Russia..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 The Putin protectors are out trying their best to defend him Putin is so done, what a POS I'll bet that even before this happened Putin internet scum bags were teeing this propaganda up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The Putin protectors are out trying their best to defend him Putin is so done, what a POS I'll bet that even before this happened Putin internet scum bags were teeing this propaganda up Putin may be a POS- no one is saying he isn’t…however, that, in and of itself does not mean the United States’ hands are clean in this matter… And because we know our government has lied before to get us into war, all possible explanations should not be off the table- that is, if you are seeking truth, no matter where it leads…👍 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 You need *a lot* of technical expertise to do this. Divers or drones, likely departing from a submarine/ship significantly far away or a shoreline nearby but shielded from satellite coverage Likely at night If from shore, you know where the sat. coverage will be Need precise coordinates Familiar with Baltic Sea currents and weather Heavy explosives, have to strap it to the pipe because it's concrete. Explosives that can be remote detonated at a specific time The explosives themselves leave no traces. Or you give yourself ample time to stage the scene. The fact that nobody has sent a dive team or drone down there yet with released pictures and video is telling. I rule out Russia for four reasons: 1) Their ships and personnel are likely watched like a hawk, they would have been detected 2) the amount of expertise required and 3) those pipelines were valuable pieces of leverage. 4) it now forces them to pump gas through the Ukraine. Forcing the Russians to pump through Ukraine gives Ukraine leverage in resolving the conflict and securing an even more lucrative deal from the Russians to pump their gas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 4:17 PM, JaCrispy said: Putin may be a POS- no one is saying he isn’t…however, that, in and of itself does not mean the United States’ hands are clean in this matter… And because we know our government has lied before to get us into war, all possible explanations should not be off the table- that is, if you are seeking truth, no matter where it leads…👍 You are parroting Putin very line. Congrats dude Russian propaganda again pollutes PPP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 4:20 PM, dpberr said: You need *a lot* of technical expertise to do this. Divers or drones, likely departing from a submarine/ship significantly far away or a shoreline nearby but shielded from satellite coverage Likely at night If from shore, you know where the sat. coverage will be Need precise coordinates Familiar with Baltic Sea currents and weather Heavy explosives, have to strap it to the pipe because it's concrete. Explosives that can be remote detonated at a specific time The explosives themselves leave no traces. Or you give yourself ample time to stage the scene. The fact that nobody has sent a dive team or drone down there yet with released pictures and video is telling. I rule out Russia for four reasons: 1) Their ships and personnel are likely watched like a hawk, they would have been detected 2) the amount of expertise required and 3) those pipelines were valuable pieces of leverage. 4) it now forces them to pump gas through the Ukraine. Forcing the Russians to pump through Ukraine gives Ukraine leverage in resolving the conflict and securing an even more lucrative deal from the Russians to pump their gas. Ya, when has Russia even done anything irrational and destructive like this? Really could not see them doing this? Are you DR's other log in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: You are parroting Putin very line. Congrats dude Russian propaganda again pollutes PPP Does anything that challenges the Biden administration and the Military Industrial Complex automatically mean it’s Russian propaganda? You do realize the people always calling it Russian propaganda are the CIA- you know, the same people who lied about WMD’s… How many times do we have to be lied to about Russian propaganda (Russia collusion hoax, Hunter laptop) before we start to question the origins of the lie? Both examples of “Russian propaganda” were proven false…Are we to still believe “the boy who keeps crying wolf” given the United States record on lying to get us into war? Its only common sense to question, Tibs…and I know you’re smart enough to understand that…👍 Edited October 1, 2022 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Ya, when has Russia even done anything irrational and destructive like this? Really could not see them doing this? Are you DR's other log in? we had ships in the area. Seals could pull this off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, aristocrat said: we had ships in the area. Seals could pull this off. Word on the street is that Chris Pratt was spotted near by, earlier in the week…😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 If the Russians wanted to disrupt gas flows through NordStream 1/2 they could just shut the valve. Word is while Germany was talking up unity in support of Ukraine they were working a backroom deal with Russia for gas and about to break ranks with the US. One likely scenario is the US administration being aware, decided to put an end to that possibility. Add that the damage and explosions suggest only a State actor would be capable of pulling this off and the list of suspects is short. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 On 9/29/2022 at 3:02 PM, JaCrispy said: Watch Biden’s face when asked by a reporter how he’s going to shut down the pipeline…his expression seems like “What, do you think I was born yesterday? I know how this game works”…😉 This is all very interesting since all the mainstream media seems to be pointing the finger at Russia- and using this as a possible excuse to escalate the war… One thing is for certain- if the US is the culprit, it wouldn’t be the first time the US has used “false flag” operations to draw the country into war…(ie Vietnam, Iraq)… Assuming you're right and we did do it... so what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Assuming you're right and we did do it... so what? Well, if we did it, it would be yet another example of the US provoking war and then lying about it to the American people… What makes it worse is Russia is a nuclear power…And with all the nations involved, this could potentially turn into WWIII, all because the US (hypothetically) wanted to control the energy supply to Europe, instead of Russia… It also means our government doesn’t care about us- and would just as easily sacrifice people’s lives if it meant making them money and strengthening their power… This is why they have to keep us hating eachother with the “oppressors vs oppressed” narrative- so we are too distracted from seeing who the real enemy might be… Edited October 1, 2022 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Well, if we did it, it would be yet another example of the US provoking war and then lying about it to the American people… What makes it worse is Russia is a nuclear power…And with all the nations involved, this could potentially turn into WWIII, all because the US (hypothetically) wanted to control the energy supply to Europe, instead of Russia… It also means our government doesn’t care about us- and would just as easily sacrifice people’s lives if it meant making them money and strengthening their power… But you can't provoke a war that's already going on, and was started by another country... Listen. I'm an american and a nationalist. Once you start diving into this conspiracy ***** though, you're left with one option. That Joe Biden is the single most ruthless, most brilliant, most 5D chess playing president we've ever had. Because all he apparently had to do was stick Cynthia Nuland back in Ukraine, and that provoked a murderous proxy war with Russia. In this proxy war, Vladimir Putin's reputation was destroyed, his country was humiliated, and his military has been ground down to useless nub using Enemy At The Gates tactics. To achieve all this, he has successfully threatened, manipulated and coerced 40ish countries into supporting his plans. All for the price of running the printing presses at the national mint and funding our Military-Industrial complex. And to top it all off, he simply goes ahead and blows up Russia's pipelines. Which destroys all their economic leverage over Europe and forces Europe to source its gas from anywhere else. It also completely guts the negotiating position of anybody that wants a peaceful settlement and a return to the status quo. Because there is no more status quo to return to. So basically, do you think Joe Biden is an evil genius who effortlessly made Vladimir Putin his B word? Edited October 1, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: But you can't provoke a war that's already going on, and was started by another country... My friend, it appears this conflict has been going on for a decade…It didn’t just start 8 months ago with a Russian invasion… The invasion was simply the result of antagonistic policies by a US led NATO- who made agreements with Russia in the 90s and 00’s, and then went back on their promises…(sound familiar?) Up until 10-15 years ago, Ukraine was a strong ally of Russia…The US knew that if they wanted more control over Europe, they needed to weaken Russia, by taking away their closest support… The US then helped to fund a coup, led by a brigade of Ukrainian Neo Nazis…They overthrew a democratically elected government that was friendly to Russia, and replaced it with one that did the bidding of the US- sound familiar? 😉 The new regime would bomb Russians living in Eastern Ukraine, because they refused to support the US backed “puppet regime”. Russia issued an ultimatum that the new government did not abide by- leaving Russia no choice but to defend their people in the Donbas region, and protect their borders by an ever encroaching NATO… The US also doesn’t like that Russia was providing Europe with most of its oil, and had plenty of incentive to attack the Nord Stream pipeline…false flag operations have been around since the dawn of time, and have worked like a charm until people started to figure out how the game was played… Don’t mean to drag on- but your question seemed genuine, and I felt an obligation to give you a general background of the situation that the corporate owned main stream media will never tell you…hoped it helped…👍 Edited October 1, 2022 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said: But you can't provoke a war that's already going on, and was started by another country... Listen. I'm an american and a nationalist. Once you start diving into this conspiracy ***** though, you're left with one option. That Joe Biden is the single most ruthless, most brilliant, most 5D chess playing president we've ever had. Because all he apparently had to do was stick Cynthia Nuland back in Ukraine, and that provoked a murderous proxy war with Russia. In this proxy war, Vladimir Putin's reputation was destroyed, his country was humiliated, and his military has been ground down to useless nub using Enemy At The Gates tactics. To achieve all this, he has successfully threatened, manipulated and coerced 40ish countries into supporting his plans. All for the price of running the printing presses at the national mint and funding our Military-Industrial complex. And to top it all off, he simply goes ahead and blows up Russia's pipelines. Which destroys all their economic leverage over Europe and forces Europe to source its gas from anywhere else. It also completely guts the negotiating position of anybody that wants a peaceful settlement and a return to the status quo. Because there is no more status quo to return to. So basically, do you think Joe Biden is an evil genius who effortlessly made Vladimir Putin his B word? First off, let’s get one thing straight- Joe Biden is not brilliant by any stretch…Corrupt? Absolutely…that’s been proven…But he is simply a “Yes” man, doing the bidding of the MIC…It’s the only thing protecting him in the mainstream media- otherwise he would be crucified just like Trump… Second, the things I listed in my previous post are indeed conspiracy (not to be confused with the CIA “conspiracy theory”)…just several parties in powerful places conspiring together to weaken Russia- This is how foreign and domestic policy have always worked (See Time article about conspiracy during the 2020 election)…I think that’s why we find ourselves in this situation today… Third, I don’t think Putin’s reputation was destroyed because of this conflict…The West always viewed him negatively, and continuously used him for propaganda purposes in the US…However, rightly or wrongly, he is viewed differently in other parts of the world- hence why the US is having trouble rallying opposition to Putin on other continents (mainly Africa and Asia)… Is Biden evil? Maybe, but I just see him as more of a douchebag…But I think the people controlling Biden, and steering his agenda, are the real evil geniuses- kinda like the pricks behind George W. Bush…And if you notice, it’s an eerily similar crowd- especially with foreign policy… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 21 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Does anything that challenges the Biden administration and the Military Industrial Complex automatically mean it’s Russian propaganda? You do realize the people always calling it Russian propaganda are the CIA- you know, the same people who lied about WMD’s… How many times do we have to be lied to about Russian propaganda (Russia collusion hoax, Hunter laptop) before we start to question the origins of the lie? Both examples of “Russian propaganda” were proven false…Are we to still believe “the boy who keeps crying wolf” given the United States record on lying to get us into war? Its only common sense to question, Tibs…and I know you’re smart enough to understand that…👍 You are agreeing with Putin, correct? He said that it was Biden, and so are you. Do you think Putin's referendums were legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 21 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Assuming you're right and we did do it... so what? It's a heinous act of environmental terrorism. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 22 minutes ago, Albwan said: It's a heinous act of environmental terrorism. It sure is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: You are agreeing with Putin, correct? He said that it was Biden, and so are you. Do you think Putin's referendums were legit? I’m saying that Biden said it was Biden…😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I’m saying that Biden said it was Biden…😉 Ya sure just bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: Ya sure just bull Did Biden not warn he was going to stop the pipeline from sending oil? Looks like he was a man of his word…😉 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ya sure just bull And then the same day the pipeline was sabotaged by Biden, the new Baltic pipeline opens up- what co-winky-dink…😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: You are agreeing with Putin, correct? He said that it was Biden, and so are you. Do you think Putin's referendums were legit? Asking if a poster "agrees" with Putin is a transparent attempt to discredit their opinion without providing any opinion of your own or any argument as to why their view might be incorrect. I'm certainly not convinced the US was the actor here, but I also don't think it was Russia. As I said before, they could just turn off the valve and stop the flow. If anyone thinks Russia blew up their own pipeline, I'd like to hear what credible and logical argument they could make to support that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 All kidding and fingerprinting aside…this is a really fascinating story. So far, nobody has claimed responsibility. It’s like a murder mystery dinner theater. There are quite a few characters who have a motive but which butler actually did it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: All kidding and fingerprinting aside…this is a really fascinating story. So far, nobody has claimed responsibility. It’s like a murder mystery dinner theater. There are quite a few characters who have a motive but which butler actually did it? No, Putin did it. No mystery at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: No, Putin did it. No mystery at all Why would he? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 36 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, Putin did it. No mystery at all And you know this, how and why exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And you know this, how and why exactly? In his tiny mind putin = trump so it's all part of the propaganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 52 minutes ago, Tiberius said: No, Putin did it. No mystery at all I would ask you to substantiate, but you can't. Please tell me you are getting paid to do this. There is no way someone could be such a lapdog to every single talking point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Brueggs said: I would ask you to substantiate, but you can't. Please tell me you are getting paid to do this. There is no way someone could be such a lapdog to every single talking point. He is the perfect foot soldier for the agenda- just believes everything the mainstream media reports as gospel… Edited October 2, 2022 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 27 minutes ago, Albwan said: In his tiny mind putin = trump so it's all part of the propaganda So Trump did it? In the Living Room with the lead pipe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just now, SoCal Deek said: So Trump did it? In the Living Room with the lead pipe? In a living room in a tiny deranged mind, yes sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brueggs Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 6 hours ago, JaCrispy said: He is the perfect foot soldier for the agenda- just believes everything the mainstream media reports as gospel… Its amazing how well it works. I guess that's why they say "those that control the media, control the people". And on a brighter note....what a game today! Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Yes. Yes he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Multiple points on what I believe without any evidence besides history: 1) I believe Putin did it so he can blame us for when he has to negotiate the end of the war. 2) it is easily believable for the rest of the world to believe the US government did it since the US govt has done so much to mislead our own citizens 3) Biden not explaining what he meant with his quote back then makes him look guilty now, adding to the image we did it. I am very worried where this is going because Biden is not capable of handling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) On 10/1/2022 at 6:44 AM, Tiberius said: You are parroting Putin very line. Congrats dude Russian propaganda again pollutes PPP is there a topic on the Ukraine war where people can have skepticism on whether someone other then putin/russia was responsible for something that will not get this response from you? we all appreciate the extreme nationalism comrade. as we all know iraq had WMDs. we suffered a attack in the gulf of tonkin. the afganistan military was well trained to finish off the taliban. syria used chemical weopons. the liberation of libya has resulted in a great democratic society. ect. ect. ect .🇺🇸 👍🏻 so we get it! your programming is in peak working order. tibs and the gov are in lockstep. no need to announce it routinley. the west is incapable of wrongdoing and blatant lies to push war and destruction of its own. suggesting it is clear treason. but before you turn in all of the ppp traitors hear me out. maybe, just maybe, we can have the OP conversation anyways. i know it causes alot of errors in your skull but what if questioning and investigating our own military industrial complex now and then is actually a good thing? 🤔🤯 Edited October 3, 2022 by Buffarukus 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Again, this is how we know with 100% certainty that it wasn't Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Meet the new CNN... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 10 hours ago, Buffarukus said: is there a topic on the Ukraine war where people can have skepticism on whether someone other then putin/russia was responsible for something that will not get this response from you? we all appreciate the extreme nationalism comrade. as we all know iraq had WMDs. we suffered a attack in the gulf of tonkin. the afganistan military was well trained to finish off the taliban. syria used chemical weopons. the liberation of libya has resulted in a great democratic society. ect. ect. ect .🇺🇸 👍🏻 so we get it! your programming is in peak working order. tibs and the gov are in lockstep. no need to announce it routinley. the west is incapable of wrongdoing and blatant lies to push war and destruction of its own. suggesting it is clear treason. but before you turn in all of the ppp traitors hear me out. maybe, just maybe, we can have the OP conversation anyways. i know it causes alot of errors in your skull but what if questioning and investigating our own military industrial complex now and then is actually a good thing? 🤔🤯 Well when people agree with Putin, it's ok to point that out. Russian propaganda is obviously infecting our political discourse, so it will be pointed out. 21 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: And you know this, how and why exactly? From past behavior It fits a pattern 21 hours ago, Brueggs said: I would ask you to substantiate, but you can't. Please tell me you are getting paid to do this. There is no way someone could be such a lapdog to every single talking point. That Putin blew something up? Ya, totally unbelievable! I have to be a lapdog to accept the obvious truth, that's a good one. You seem like a real POS On 10/2/2022 at 8:32 AM, All_Pro_Bills said: Asking if a poster "agrees" with Putin is a transparent attempt to discredit their opinion without providing any opinion of your own or any argument as to why their view might be incorrect. I'm certainly not convinced the US was the actor here, but I also don't think it was Russia. As I said before, they could just turn off the valve and stop the flow. If anyone thinks Russia blew up their own pipeline, I'd like to hear what credible and logical argument they could make to support that conclusion. Do you believe the referendums were legit? Like at all? I was watching news about those votes think how that is the dream of Trump supporters, to hold "elections" in that fashion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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