Racially motivated murder at Tops

[aristocrat]

 

 

But by all means keep voting the same people in. 

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, muppy said:

SO. if sports figures can show up to support a community its community building, but the POTUS (Democrat)  does its not. Gotcha.

 

This is tribalism at its finest. Why didn't he go to Waukesha? Im not into rating which travesty is better or worse within our country.  But this political tribalism IS tearing our government and people apart.  I fear nothing that anyone does outside of your tribe is bad. But if YOUR candidate does it Im sure you would be all okey dokey with it.

 And for the record. if donald trump was president and had taken time from HIS schedule to show up in Buffalo after this incident I'd have given him props NOT apprise false motives to it. But that's just me.

 

PS: so how many boos were heard during the POTUS visit I wonder. MAYBE the community and what THEY would prefer is lost in this discussion.  I wonder. Their needs should trump political motives.  it won't,  but they should.

 

 

If Biden had visited Waukesha as well as Buffalo, his presence, words etc would ring true. He didn’t, thus the skepticism. Simple as that. The Bills are members of this community, so I don’t see a correlation to the POTUS here. 

[Boatdrinks]

23 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Seems like a terrible way to conduct an accurate survey, why give them numbers at all, just ask them to give their estimation and then you can get your information from that data? I mean giving people a multiple choice with the options of: A)10 B)100 C)1,000 D) 10,000 E) >10,000 when the actual number is apparently 27 seems intentionally skewed for people to overestimate the number.

 

Also nice how it glosses over how 25% of people killed by police being black when that's twice their percentage of the population is terrible.

Well, demographic groups don’t commit crimes in direct proportion to their percentage of the population. This pesky fact is more difficult to process when you see the world through a liberal prism. What percentage of murders are committed by Asian Americans? I know they’re supposedly “ over represented “

at Universities , but you can bet I didn’t hear that from a conservative news source. 

[BillsFanNC]

Bingo. If you want to confront the issue of white supremacy as it actually exists in this country, then stop lying about it.

 

 

[Westside]

2 hours ago, DRsGhost said:

Bingo. If you want to confront the issue of white supremacy as it actually exists in this country, then stop lying about it.

 

 

Where are the republican leaders calling out that nonsense? I don’t hear anyone on the right denying it or denounce it!

The Republican Party is a joke. They constantly get pushed around, bullied and wrongfully accused by the far left and don’t do anything about it!

Hard to feel bad for such a spineless group of politicians.

[716er]

5 hours ago, aristocrat said:

 

 

But by all means keep voting the same people in. 

 

Buffalo democrats elected India Walton in the primary. Republicans then joined forces with anti-Walton Dems to Write Down Brown in the general. Things haven't changed.

[aristocrat]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-beatty-blames-white-supremacy-dallas-korean-salon-shooting-suspect-black
 

On Monday, three people in a Korean-owned hair salon in Dallas were gunned by yet another White supremacy replacement theorist," Beatty said to the assembled crowd.
 

she kind of missed an important detail that the shooter is black. Yikes

[Orlando Tim]

18 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-beatty-blames-white-supremacy-dallas-korean-salon-shooting-suspect-black
 

On Monday, three people in a Korean-owned hair salon in Dallas were gunned by yet another White supremacy replacement theorist," Beatty said to the assembled crowd.
 

she kind of missed an important detail that the shooter is black. Yikes

You don't need to be white to be a white supremacists, you simply must be anti Democrat. I have posted here multiple times that a friend of mine who is the great grandchild of slaves on both sides, was called a white supremacists by the Orlando Sentinel years ago. 

[Tiberius]

 

[aristocrat]

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

 

9 mass shootings since Buffalo. 7 dead, 43 wounded. None connected to white supremacy. 

[BillStime]

So on brand 

 

 

 

[Westside]

28 minutes ago, BillStime said:

So on brand 

 

 

 

Stop spamming the board with your propaganda.

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Westside said:

Stop spamming the board with your propaganda.

 

Go back to your safe place if you can't handle reality cupcake

 

[Westside]

Just now, BillStime said:

 

Go back to your safe place if you can't handle reality cupcake

 

Reality?  Lol. Try harder princess. 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Westside said:

Reality?  Lol. Try harder princess. 

 

Yes, really.

[Westside]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Yes, really.

Your accusations are your confession 

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, Westside said:

Your accusations are your confession 

 

Nice... try

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 5/20/2022 at 10:30 AM, aristocrat said:

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

 

9 mass shootings since Buffalo. 7 dead, 43 wounded. None connected to white supremacy. 

 

13 now.... zero connected to white supremacy and nearly all carried about by a minority. 

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

13 now.... zero connected to white supremacy and nearly all carried about by a minority. 

Directly connected to white supremacy. The poverty minority communities had forced on them by white supremacy is a factor

20 hours ago, BillStime said:

So on brand 

 

 

 

Conservatives spent decades fighting anti-lynching laws, this is just the latest battle on that front 

[aristocrat]

38 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Directly connected to white supremacy. The poverty minority communities had forced on them by white supremacy is a factor

Conservatives spent decades fighting anti-lynching laws, this is just the latest battle on that front 

 

Sorta correct. Biden's anti crime and drug bills from the early 90s leading to mass incarceration for minorities leading them to being unemployable due to criminal records has wreaked havoc.  Resulting in minorities being poor and families torn apart with parents in prison.  

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Sorta correct. Biden's anti crime and drug bills from the early 90s leading to mass incarceration for minorities leading them to being unemployable due to criminal records has wreaked havoc.  Resulting in minorities being poor and families torn apart with parents in prison.  

Goes way back before that. Centuries, indeed. But ya, the war of drugs was bad 

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Goes way back before that. Centuries, indeed. But ya, the war of drugs was bad 

 

13 mass shootings since the buffalo one. 12 dead, 56 wounded. None connected to white supremacy. Why no new laws coming from the dems on these? 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

13 mass shootings since the buffalo one. 12 dead, 56 wounded. None connected to white supremacy. Why no new laws coming from the dems on these? 

Indirectly connected, poverty, racism and guns..oh my! 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Indirectly connected, poverty, racism and guns..oh my! 

 

Poverty causes someone to shoot up a high school graduation outside NOLA? 

[ALF]

21 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Poverty causes someone to shoot up a high school graduation outside NOLA? 

 

Mental illness is on the list.

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Poverty causes someone to shoot up a high school graduation outside NOLA? 

Not directly, but a history of hate and poverty sure could create a situation where someone would be more violent 

 

You don’t think racism was that big a deal I take it? 
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Not directly, but a history of hate and poverty sure could create a situation where someone would be more violent 

 

You don’t think racism was that big a deal I take it? 
 

 

Is racism the cause of the weekly carnage in Chicago? Or the recent shooting in a Taiwanese church?  Give it up with the racism crap! 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Is racism the cause of the weekly carnage in Chicago? Or the recent shooting in a Taiwanese church?  Give it up with the racism crap! 

Chicago, ya. Know the history of blacks in Chicago? 

Oh, so you think racism was nothing? 

 

Racists want to act like racism was nothing. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Chicago, ya. Know the history of blacks in Chicago? 

Oh, so you think racism was nothing? 

 

Racists want to act like racism was nothing. 

The more you keep tossing that word around the less impact it has. Racism was real and you’re hurting your cause by watering it down…but go ahead and diminish if it gives you some momentary pleasure. 

[ALF]

Living wage jobs regardless of ability for now.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

The more you keep tossing that word around the less impact it has. Racism was real and you’re hurting your cause by watering it down…but go ahead and diminish if it gives you some momentary pleasure. 

Me? Ya, its me. 

 

Watering it down? You just say things just to say them.  No meaning behind the words. 

 

Aren't you the guy who says he listens to right wing radio? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

17 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Not directly, but a history of hate and poverty sure could create a situation where someone would be more violent 

 

You don’t think racism was that big a deal I take it? 
 

 

 

WAS it a big deal? Absolutely. Will it, unfortunately always be here (everywhere in the world)? Yes... it will. 

 

Is that the reason idiots are shooting each other in the streets? No. 

 

Socioeconomics due to a direct result of single parent homes is the reason IMO (I have a sociology/criminal justice undergrad degree, clinical mental health masters). There is a victim mentality across the board in all walks of life. No one should tell someone else, based on race... ethnicity... sex.... etc... that they are victims and that they don't have a shot in life. It's bogus in 2022. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Me? Ya, its me. 

 

Watering it down? You just say things just to say them.  No meaning behind the words. 

 

Aren't you the guy who says he listens to right wing radio? 

I listen to a lot of things. I also have two highly successful black business partners who say you’re full of crap! 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

WAS it a big deal? Absolutely. Will it, unfortunately always be here (everywhere in the world)? Yes... it will. 

 

Is that the reason idiots are shooting each other in the streets? No. 

 

Socioeconomics due to a direct result of single parent homes is the reason IMO (I have a sociology/criminal justice undergrad degree, clinical mental health masters). There is a victim mentality across the board in all walks of life. No one should tell someone else, based on race... ethnicity... sex.... etc... that they are victims and that they don't have a shot in life. It's bogus in 2022. 

Yes! And why were black families hurt more by single parenthood? Racism. Black males not being allowed to have decent jobs sure hurts people. Having that in your history makes it part of the culture and things just do not change over night. Like I said, violence is a direct result of a group of people being segregated and impoverished. Let that happen for a long period of time and things will not turn out well 

 

History isn't all in the past 

 

 

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I listen to a lot of things. I also have two highly successful black business partners who say you’re full of crap! 

Good for them, happy to hear. Many other blacks would disagree. 

[BillStime]

Buffalo paid in blood… thank you Trump voters

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Yes! And why were black families hurt more by single parenthood? Racism. Black males not being allowed to have decent jobs sure hurts people. Having that in your history makes it part of the culture and things just do not change over night. Like I said, violence is a direct result of a group of people being segregated and impoverished. Let that happen for a long period of time and things will not turn out well 

 

History isn't all in the past 

 

 

 

 

Bullsh*t

 

Pre-1960's, the single parent home for black families was under 10%. Today its at over 70% (all races are up to be transparent). What took place around that time? Welfare expansion... which took place during the JFK administration. 

 

Quote from Paul E. Peterson (Harvard professor).. “welfare assistance went to mothers so long as no male was boarding in the household… Marriage to an employed male, even one earning the minimum wage, placed at risk a mother’s economic well-being.” Infamous “man in the house” rules meant that welfare workers would randomly appear in homes to check and see if the mother was accurately reporting her family-status. He added, “estimated that in 1975 a household head would have to earn $20,000 a year to have more resources than what could be obtained from Great Society programs.” In today’s dollars, that’s over $90,000 per year in earnings. “The government paid mothers to keep fathers out of the home—and paid them well.” 

 

https://www.educationnext.org/government-subsidize-not-tax-marriage/

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

Good for them, happy to hear. Many other blacks would disagree. 

People blaming other people for their lot in life has been going on since the Dawn of time. It’s not unique to blacks or to the United States. Learn to tune it out.
 

Be the best person you can be, every single day.
Go to church (or get solid moral instruction on a regular basis.)

Do not do drugs. 

Study in school.

Work really hard.

Do not go into debt, and if you do, sacrifice almost everything for awhile to get out of it. 
Stay married if you choose to get married. 

Do not have children if you’re not prepared to raise them. 
 

It’s the tried and true recipe for success, no matter what color skin you happen to have.

[ArdmoreRyno]

12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

People blaming other people for their lot in life has been going on since the Dawn of time. It’s not unique to blacks or to the United States. Learn to tune it out.
 

Be the best person you can be, every single day.
Go to church (or get solid moral instruction on a regular basis.)

Do not do drugs. 

Study in school.

Work really hard.

Do not go into debt, and if you do, sacrifice almost everything for awhile to get out of it. 
Stay married if you choose to get married. 

Do not have children if you’re not prepared to raise them. 
 

It’s the tried and true recipe for success, no matter what color skin you happen to have.

 

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ben-Carson

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

 

Bullsh*t

 

Pre-1960's, the single parent home for black families was under 10%. Today its at over 70% (all races are up to be transparent). What took place around that time? Welfare expansion... which took place during the JFK administration. 

 

Quote from Paul E. Peterson (Harvard professor).. “welfare assistance went to mothers so long as no male was boarding in the household… Marriage to an employed male, even one earning the minimum wage, placed at risk a mother’s economic well-being.” Infamous “man in the house” rules meant that welfare workers would randomly appear in homes to check and see if the mother was accurately reporting her family-status. He added, “estimated that in 1975 a household head would have to earn $20,000 a year to have more resources than what could be obtained from Great Society programs.” In today’s dollars, that’s over $90,000 per year in earnings. “The government paid mothers to keep fathers out of the home—and paid them well.” 

 

https://www.educationnext.org/government-subsidize-not-tax-marriage/

 

 

 

 

Why did this effect black families more that white? Because black men had been denied the ability to build up human capital, family wealth and connections in the larger economy and society. Of course they would have suffered more from that trend which also hit white families. Would a black family, that could have achieved middle class status before 1960, if they were allowed real jobs, of even thought about welfare? Probably not. But having poverty forced on them by racist policies hurt them long term 

 

For instance, had a black guy who was interested in the law been able to pursue that dream, the welfare question would of been moot. Does that makes sense? 

 

Put another way. Of course the welfare polices would hurt blacks more because poverty was enforced on them almost as a whole. 

 

Right? 

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

People blaming other people for their lot in life has been going on since the Dawn of time. It’s not unique to blacks or to the United States. Learn to tune it out.
 

Be the best person you can be, every single day.
Go to church (or get solid moral instruction on a regular basis.)

Do not do drugs. 

Study in school.

Work really hard.

Do not go into debt, and if you do, sacrifice almost everything for awhile to get out of it. 
Stay married if you choose to get married. 

Do not have children if you’re not prepared to raise them. 
 

It’s the tried and true recipe for success, no matter what color skin you happen to have.

It's just a fact, blacks had poverty enforced upon them. Of course that going to have effects going forward in many different ways 

[SoCal Deek]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

It's just a fact, blacks had poverty enforced upon them. Of course that going to have effects going forward in many different ways 

I give you the basic ‘how to’ list and you come back with this?
 

People come to this country every single day from all over the world, and from every race, religion and creed, and in a state of abject ‘shirt  on their back’ poverty. Some will succeed and others will not. Following ‘my’ llist has NOTHING to do with their past. It’s all about what they choose to do today, tomorrow, and every day going forward. 

Edited May 23, 2022 by SoCal Deek