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41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was at the very least a consensus BPA. Your reaction is exactly what people who want to draft for need say "ah they had holes here and there" so what? The draft shouldn't be about holes. The reason Dallas is a good drafting team is they don't draft to fill holes with those early picks they draft difference makers. And Jerry's input on drafting is negligible. Will McClay runs their drafts and he runs them darn well. 

Baltimore is similarly devoted to drafting BPA over need. Maybe without the splash of some Dallas picks. Just let the draft come to you and select the very best prospects available. It's amazing how well that works (at least to ensure you field a competitive team) on a long enough timeline. 

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I actually think official draft boards should be released by the NFL to the fans. It would make for great TV. Maybe just a top 100 or something. You could do an entire 2 hour special on it and probably get better ratings than the NBA playoffs.

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42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I actually think official draft boards should be released by the NFL to the fans. It would make for great TV. Maybe just a top 100 or something. You could do an entire 2 hour special on it and probably get better ratings than the NBA playoffs.

 

Yea even if they just after the draft collated them all and released what was the NFL consensus top 100. Would be fascinating. 

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On 5/3/2022 at 10:57 PM, CorkScrewHill said:

https://dailysnark.com/2022/05/03/the-internet-deciphered-the-dallas-cowboys-draft-sheet-that-jerry-jones-showed-the-media-during-press-conference/
 

this can be found on multiple sites, but this one listed the full list based off the Athletic.com analysis


 

1. Kayvon Thibodeaux, DE, Oregon: drafted at No. 5 by the Giants.

2. Evan Neal, OT, Alabama: drafted at No. 7 by the Giants.

3. Aidan Hutchinson, DE, Michigan: drafted at No. 2 by the Lions.

4. Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State: drafted at No. 10 by the Jets.

5. Ahmad Gardner, CB, Cincinnati: drafted at No. 4 by the Jets.

6. Derek Stingley, CB, LSU: drafted at No. 3 by the Texans.

7. Travon Walker, DE, Georgia: drafted at No. 1 by the Jaguars.

8. Kyle Hamilton, S, Notre Dame: drafted at No. 14 by the Ravens.

9. Ikem Ekwonu, OT, North Carolina State: drafted at No. 6 by the Panthers.

10. Drake London, WR, USC: drafted at No. 8 by the Falcons.

11. Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia: drafted at No. 13 by the Eagles.

12. Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State: drafted at No. 9 by the Seahawks.

13. Lewis Cine, S, Georgia: drafted at No. 32 by the Vikings.

14. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama: drafted at No. 12 by the Lions.

The second-round grades on the front of the paper appear to go as follows:

15. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State: drafted at No. 11 by the Saints.

16. Tyler Smith, OL, Tulsa: drafted at No. 24 by the Cowboys.

17. Devin Lloyd, LB, Utah: drafted at No. 27 by the Jaguars.

18. Daxton Hill, S, Michigan: drafted at No. 31 by the Bengals.

19. Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State: drafted at No. 36 by the Jets.

20. Kenyon Green, OG, Texas A&M: drafted at No. 15 by the Texans.

21. George Karlaftis, DE, Purdue: drafted at No. 30 by the Chiefs.

22. Zion Johnson, OG, Boston College: drafted at No. 17 by the Chargers.

23. Treylon Burks, WR, Arkansas: drafted at No. 18 by the Titans.

24. Kyler Gordon, CB, Washington: drafted at No. 39 by the Bears.

25. Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa: drafted at No. 25 by the Ravens.

26. David Ojabo, DE, Michigan: drafted at No. 45 by the Ravens.

27. Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State: drafted at No. 16 by the Commanders.

28. Jermaine Johnson, DE, Florida State: drafted at No. 26 by the Jets.

29. Kaiir Elam, CB, Florida: drafted at No. 23 by the Bills.

30. Arnold Ebiketie, DE, Penn State: drafted at No. 38 by the Falcons.

31. Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington: drafted at No. 21 by the Chiefs.

32. Quay Walker, LB, Georgia: drafted at No. 22 by the Packers.

33. Devonte Wyatt, DT, Georgia: drafted at No. 28 by the Packers.

34. Logan Hall, DE, Houston: drafted at No. 33 by the Buccaneers.

 

A few things interesting to me at least.

 

1) only the first 14 had first round grades on them

2) they had 3 CBS ahead of Elam who came in at 29 for them and one was still on the board (Kyler Gordon) when they drafted so they were not targeting Elam there. They had McDuffie after Elam .. and Booth did not make the list of first / second round grades unless one of the last ones that were not deciphered.

3) they had Breece Hall at 19 overall

 

the Cowboys are not a great drafting team but it is interesting to see how they had things lined up

 

 

 

Most pundits and experts said this was draft was top heavy in the first round with not many true 1st round prospects compared to recent years so this seems to be in line with that and most those names went in the top 20.

 

Also if the Elam rankings are true that gives validity to the idea we didn't need to move ahead of the Cowboys unless Bean knew another team was specifically trying to trade with them (or BAL) to also get Elam.

 

 

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12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was at the very least a consensus BPA. Your reaction is exactly what people who want to draft for need say "ah they had holes here and there" so what? The draft shouldn't be about holes. The reason Dallas is a good drafting team is they don't draft to fill holes with those early picks they draft difference makers. And Jerry's input on drafting is negligible. Will McClay runs their drafts and he runs them darn well. 

Again, unless you had direct access to their draft board, you are only guessing that he was their best player available.  Teams indeed draft for need and the fact that Dallas had and continues to have roster issues is a clear indication that they draft poorly.  They allowed their o-line to grow into a problem because they failed to plan ahead and draft accordingly.  Before that, they allowed their secondary to deteriorate and they were the poorest unit in the league at one point.  Teams that draft well don't have those kinds of repetitive problems.

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12 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Baltimore is similarly devoted to drafting BPA over need. Maybe without the splash of some Dallas picks. Just let the draft come to you and select the very best prospects available. It's amazing how well that works (at least to ensure you field a competitive team) on a long enough timeline. 


Noggin, it’s kind of a balance.  They see what they didn’t do in FA, then identify different positions, then look at their board and get the BPA for those identified positions.  At least in the 1st through 3rd rounds.  Then I think they get much more liberal with BPA.

 

it’s not an accident, we needed a 2nd CB as the top need, and 2nd was a RB, then WR.  The surprise and not an accident was a small LB in the 3rd.  They did though get a WR by many identified is a 4th at worst WR in the 5th.  Then the cherry on top is another WR and a Punter.  No accident at all.  Just like the last 2 years DE towards the top.  He keeps swinging until he hits.

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1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Again, unless you had direct access to their draft board, you are only guessing that he was their best player available.  Teams indeed draft for need and the fact that Dallas had and continues to have roster issues is a clear indication that they draft poorly.  They allowed their o-line to grow into a problem because they failed to plan ahead and draft accordingly.  Before that, they allowed their secondary to deteriorate and they were the poorest unit in the league at one point.  Teams that draft well don't have those kinds of repetitive problems.

 

They draft well. All the objective measures support it. Including wins. 

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They draft well. All the objective measures support it. Including wins. 

 

 

Yeah Jerry's insistence on a weak HC combined with the distractions and immense pressure of playing for the Cowboys tends to neutralize some remarkable drafting.

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14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea even if they just after the draft collated them all and released what was the NFL consensus top 100. Would be fascinating. 

 

New England would cheat and provide false board.

 

'If you are not cheating you are not trying as hard as you could be.'

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On 5/4/2022 at 2:51 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Nobody will convince me that it wasn't Tennessee they were concerned about. The common knowledge pre-draft was the Tennessee was interested in receiver and corner. Everyone felt receiver was the biggest need (even before the Brown trade). But suddenly they had two first round picks and took a receiver at 18. Interestingly Beane said he started calling teams at about spot 20. Why? Because until Tennessee had pick #18 and #26 he really wasn't worried about them taking a corner. They were going receiver first. Tennessee want corners who can play press man. It matters in their scheme. As soon as the Bills took Elam they traded out of the round and took McCreary (the other guy with a lot of press man on his tape) at the top of the 2nd. 

 

People saying "look Dallas were no threat to take Elam we didn't need to give up that pick" are missing the point. It was not an offensive trade up to jump a team, it was a defensive trade up to stop them being jumped. Did they need to? Could they have got him at #25? They are questions people can argue back and forth about. But it was never about Dallas. It was about Tennessee first and foremost. Might other teams have concerned them to? Sure, but when you join the dots the realy reason for that trade up would appear to reside in Nashville. 

Makes sense.  I guess the other way to spin it is Beane could have sat tight and taken Booth or another CB or traded down like Tenn did and still got a CB.

In the end, it only cost a fourth and if Elam plays well they have two excellent corners for the next few years.  

6 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Again, unless you had direct access to their draft board, you are only guessing that he was their best player available.  Teams indeed draft for need and the fact that Dallas had and continues to have roster issues is a clear indication that they draft poorly.  They allowed their o-line to grow into a problem because they failed to plan ahead and draft accordingly.  Before that, they allowed their secondary to deteriorate and they were the poorest unit in the league at one point.  Teams that draft well don't have those kinds of repetitive problems.

Every team has roster issues.  Bills had a massive hole at CB, two aging safeties, and the interior O-line is still at best a work in progress. 

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8 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Most pundits and experts said this was draft was top heavy in the first round with not many true 1st round prospects compared to recent years so this seems to be in line with that and most those names went in the top 20.

 

Also if the Elam rankings are true that gives validity to the idea we didn't need to move ahead of the Cowboys unless Bean knew another team was specifically trying to trade with them (or BAL) to also get Elam.

 

 

Wow, 😂😂 just twist it any way you can to go negative. 😂😂 

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6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They draft well. All the objective measures support it. Including wins. 

Dallas absolutely drafts pretty well

 

 what it is is a mess of an organization... Collecting talent does not equal a great team

 

All the pieces don't always mesh but I agree he drafts pretty well

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4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dallas absolutely drafts pretty well

 

 what it is is a mess of an organization... Collecting talent does not equal a great team

 

All the pieces don't always mesh but I agree he drafts pretty well

 

They comsistently under acheive their talent. And Badol is right a lot of that comes down to Jerry wanting a coach he can control. 

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