Mr. WEO Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 3/18/2023 at 3:49 PM, brianthomas said: I know here in Buffalo for decades i've heard of the need for a new & larger convention center & the economic boon to the city we'd get if larger conventions could be held here. I'm no engineer or developmental planner but integrating the 2 concepts together could've been a wonderful opportunity. Isn't that what they did with the AT&T Stadium in Dallas? They use it to bring in big events during the off-season which in-turn brings in millions in revenue each year? Not just to the stadium itself, but to all the local hotels & businesses now booked due to the influx of visitors? What a great idea or concept! Wish we would've thought of it. Its just 1 example of the contrast between smart forward thinking planning & whatever we had. ATT is booked for "big events" only 10 nights between now and October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: I agree with the overall sentiment here, but a couple things: 1) The State putting $600mil toward the stadium is what I meant by investing in Buffalo. Currently it's scheduled to go to Orchard Park. Still a win for upstate, but I think a wasted opportunity. 2) I never said bars, restaurants and shopping are unique to Buffalo. Not sure if you were implying that. 3) Yes, Buffalo is never going to be a top destination city. I think you're overstating what I think a downtown stadium would do. To me it's just trying to build some semblance of a respectable city center. Not saying the stadium would have done that all by itself. 4) I left Buffalo not too long after college, came back briefly then left again, but I am 100% for a stadium downtown. My personal preference would have been a dome downtown. Second choice was open air downtown. We got my third choice, so I’ll just have to live with that. The Bills will remain in WNY, and that was my ultimate goal. Period. I come to town for one game a year on average. It would be awesome to have a downtown stadium I could walk to from my hotel like you can in cities like Nashville, Cincinnati, etc. Walk around, hit the restaurants and bars, stroll over to the stadium, perfect. That would be better for me personally, but I’m short about a billion in the effort to make that happen. It sounds a bit like you still think there is a chance that this is open for discussion, but I think it’s a done deal with just a few details to iron out. For those who didn’t get exactly what you wanted, I suggest focusing on our Bills remaining in WNY, and without fecal rivers in the concourses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Augie said: My personal preference would have been a dome downtown. Second choice was open air downtown. We got my third choice, so I’ll just have to live with that. The Bills will remain in WNY, and that was my ultimate goal. Period. I come to town for one game a year on average. It would be awesome to have a downtown stadium I could walk to from my hotel like you can in cities like Nashville, Cincinnati, etc. Walk around, hit the restaurants and bars, stroll over to the stadium, perfect. That would be better for me personally, but I’m short about a billion in the effort to make that happen. It sounds a bit like you still think there is a chance that this is open for discussion, but I think it’s a done deal with just a few details to iron out. For those who didn’t get exactly what you wanted, I suggest focusing on our Bills remaining in WNY, and without fecal rivers in the concourses. Since I didn't get a downtown domed stadium my focus is on the amenities that the new stadium will have. For me personally location is not a deal breaker as much as the new stadium having similar amenities to what other new stadiums have. If all they do is basically just update at Highmark stadium has then that's a deal breaker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 34 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: Since I didn't get a downtown domed stadium my focus is on the amenities that the new stadium will have. For me personally location is not a deal breaker as much as the new stadium having similar amenities to what other new stadiums have. If all they do is basically just update at Highmark stadium has then that's a deal breaker. Deal breaker? Will you be done? Forever? Some people are like that. 🤷♂️ I go to games for the football and the tailgate. I don’t need a museum or arcades like they have in some places. To each their own. I will not have any angst over this until we see the final product. I was fine at the old place, so I’ll be fine at the new place. Just WIN! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Deal breaker? Will you be done? Forever? Some people are like that. 🤷♂️ I go to games for the football and the tailgate. I don’t need a museum or arcades like they have in some places. To each their own. I will not have any angst over this until we see the final product. I was fine at the old place, so I’ll be fine at the new place. Just WIN! I will go to check out the new stadium but if it's just an improved version of Highmark then I will most likely just stay home instead. For me personally, the game itself isn't enough to draw me to any stadium now. At one time it was. Now with the cost of going to a game and the fact I can watch it home with a better view it's hard to justify going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 11 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: I will go to check out the new stadium but if it's just an improved version of Highmark then I will most likely just stay home instead. For me personally, the game itself isn't enough to draw me to any stadium now. At one time it was. Now with the cost of going to a game and the fact I can watch it home with a better view it's hard to justify going. I enjoy attending a home game, preferably the opener, and one road game a year. The at home HD experience is amazing, so I get wanting to enjoy it that way. It’s comfortable, cheap and easy. But I don’t go for the stadium or the amenities. I go to see friends at the tailgate and feel that energy you can only get live. If I were local I still probably wouldn’t be a season ticket holder. It wouldn’t be a financial thing, I just don’t want to do it all season long. That’s a personal decision everyone gets to make. I go for the energy, the live football and the camaraderie. How much you value that vs the convenience of home is a great decision to be able to make. To each their own, as long as they remain in WNY. If they left, I would be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: ATT is booked for "big events" only 10 nights between now and October. 8 More than the 2 that Highmark might have in the sane timeframe. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 19 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: again, that’s your speculation, which is not backed up by economic studies. So believe what you want I suppose. A Bills stadium downtown would not impact the redevelopment going on down there right now or in the future. A stadium in the city would have provided greater leverage to tap federal dollars to improve our transportation infrastructure and expand mass transit. Instead - we will never see that investment with Orchard Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 16 minutes ago, BillStime said: A stadium in the city would have provided greater leverage to tap federal dollars to improve our transportation infrastructure and expand mass transit. Instead - we will never see that investment with Orchard Park. More hypotheticals. And no, it wouldn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 43 minutes ago, mrags said: 8 More than the 2 that Highmark might have in the sane timeframe. Just saying 10 nights for one of the premier stadium spaces in the country is insignificant. It means the place is full for maybe 30 days a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: 10 nights for one of the premier stadium spaces in the country is insignificant. It means the place is full for maybe 30 days a year. 20 more days a year than ours will be full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, mrags said: 20 more days a year than ours will be full. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: 10 Got it. Year. My bad adding there. At first I thought it was 20 more events. If it’s just 10 forget it. I don’t know why I’ve been so worked up all this time over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: Since I didn't get a downtown domed stadium my focus is on the amenities that the new stadium will have. For me personally location is not a deal breaker as much as the new stadium having similar amenities to what other new stadiums have. If all they do is basically just update at Highmark stadium has then that's a deal breaker. It'll definitely be more modern. All the modern stadiums are similar in that regard. At the current stadium you feel like Spinal Tap walking around in those hallways in that Cleveland high school when you're walking through the concourses. Meanwhile, you have to navigate the drunks as if it's a game of Frogger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: I will go to check out the new stadium but if it's just an improved version of Highmark then I will most likely just stay home instead. For me personally, the game itself isn't enough to draw me to any stadium now. At one time it was. Now with the cost of going to a game and the fact I can watch it home with a better view it's hard to justify going. Well it certainly more comfortable at home But better view absolutely not The sight lines at Ralph Wilson stadium are unmatched and you could see things live that you cannot see on television Especially if you’re sitting between the 45 yard lines 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 hours ago, Augie said: I go to games for the football and the tailgate. I don’t need a museum or arcades like they have in some places. To each their own. LMAO To me the tailgate is just as integral a part of it as the game is. I don't think I've ever gone to a Bills game w/o tailgating, home or away. IMO there's no better tailgating experience as there is in Buffalo. That's why I didn't want to see a downtown stadium, IMO the tailgating would have forever vaporized as we've known it. Other reasons too, such as traffic would be far worse than it is now. It's smack on the lake effect ground zero. ... not to open that debate, just my irrelevant preferences. LOL I think that most Bills fans feel similarly towards their tailgating. I have friends that prefer to go into the club levels hours ahead and sit there, but I wouldn't choose that unless perhaps the weather was absolutely miserable or something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 hours ago, Augie said: I enjoy attending a home game, preferably the opener, and one road game a year. The at home HD experience is amazing, so I get wanting to enjoy it that way. It’s comfortable, cheap and easy. But I don’t go for the stadium or the amenities. I go to see friends at the tailgate and feel that energy you can only get live. If I were local I still probably wouldn’t be a season ticket holder. It wouldn’t be a financial thing, I just don’t want to do it all season long. That’s a personal decision everyone gets to make. I go for the energy, the live football and the camaraderie. How much you value that vs the convenience of home is a great decision to be able to make. To each their own, as long as they remain in WNY. If they left, I would be done. Having said that, out-of-town Bills bars or even bars in Buffalo are also just as much fun full of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, mrags said: Got it. Year. My bad adding there. At first I thought it was 20 more events. If it’s just 10 forget it. I don’t know why I’ve been so worked up all this time over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 4 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: More hypotheticals. And no, it wouldn’t. And a stadium in OP does what for the region? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 27 minutes ago, BillStime said: And a stadium in OP does what for the region? Come on. It’s keeping Big Tree, Kettles, and Danny’s in business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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